What is Your Favorite Type of Straight Grain on a Pipe?

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cigrmaster

Lifer
May 26, 2012
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For my money I prefer to look at birdseye over straight grain. I love a pipe that has a perfect cross cut of straight grain across the front and back of the bowl with both sides of the pipe and the heel of the pipe loaded with birdseye. When I first began collecting, I was a total whore for straight angel hair grain and did not care for a great flame grain or a cross cut with birsdeye. Now I can totally appreciate a pipe with flame grain and birdseye. Has anyone else had their tastes change on the type of grain they like?

 

flakyjakey

Lifer
Aug 21, 2013
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Harris, I've never been totally drawn to either, being more interested in how they smoke. But your post made me heave myself out of my chair to look at my pipe racks. There is no doubt that most of my 'best' old smooth pipes - 1950s Charatans, Comoys, Dunhills and Petersons are the true 'cross-cut grains' you describe, as are my Edwardian Barlings and Comoys.
I vaguely remember some discussion from the old days suggesting that cross-cut grain pipes were 'better' than straight grains, but I am no expert. I suspect that sablebrush, reborn and others could help here.

 

petes03

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Jun 23, 2013
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I like em' all! I used to be a big Birdseye nut, but now I like all types of grain. It doesn't even have to be a type of straight grain, I just appreciate what course nature takes with the briar.

 

pstlpkr

Lifer
Dec 14, 2009
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I'm kind of grumpy tonight so my usual use of language lacks a bit of ease. :D

I'm definitely not a cross grain fan.

To me bird's eyes are an accent, the hood ornament on the Rolls, not the paint job.

A bowl that is wrapped with a beautiful straight vertical grain... that's eye candy.

Just my two and a half cents.

:puffy:
Eating a Super Hot, for the endorphins.... The War Department's orders. :D

 
Dec 24, 2012
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Harris, I have always been a birdseye nut. I even had a desk designed where the top was resplendent with birds eye.
When I visited Michael Parks, he was showing me pieces of briar and how he could tell where the birdseye and straight grain would be. He basically moistened a finger with saliva and ran it across the briar Interestingly, he then showed me the different sandblast patters you get if you blast birdseye versus grain, I didn't understand 20% of what he was saying, but it was interesting nonetheless.

 

flakyjakey

Lifer
Aug 21, 2013
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PS as an illustration of my earlier point about old pipes the 1908 Peterson shown in my "last pipe purchase" post has a cross-cut with +++ birdseye grain (best seen in the website pics). In the hand (briefly) it is a beautiful pipe with stunning grain.

 
Aug 1, 2012
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I started out only liking birdseye on a pipe and putting up with the cross-grain that came with it. With time I'm getting to like a good straight or flame grain too. Still a sucker for a pipe where the side just blazes with birdseye though.

 

cigrmaster

Lifer
May 26, 2012
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flakey, I also had heard that people in one camp said cross grain smoked better and the other camp was straight grain smoked better. I personally have had no experience where I thought the grain of a pipe made it smoke better.
Pete, you are just a whore for grain, don't matter what type to you. lol
Lawrence, interesting take, I also used to feel that way. For a long time I felt birdseye was for the heel of a pipe only.
peck, I would love to see that desk, sounds incredible. I can just imagine your brain was overloaded with all the info Parks was handing you. That is very cool on how he is able to see the grain in the blocks with just spit.

 

flakyjakey

Lifer
Aug 21, 2013
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@Harris, my vague memory is that it was more to do with the robustness of the build rather than the actual smoking quality itself; I think it related to the straight grains having rims that were more likely to develop cracks, or something along those lines.

 

rebornbriar

Starting to Get Obsessed
Aug 21, 2013
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I wrote about this on my blog recently.
This is not a scientific study, but a theory on what I have discovered from handling many older estate pipes.
I do love the look of birds-eye on the walls of a pipe, and also like the look of straight grain. At the end of the day though, if the grain on the pipe is good, whether cross cut or straight cut doesn't matter so much. There is no doubting that a wall full of birds-eye is a pretty sight and can almost look 3-dimensional in the best cases. I think one of the best producers of cross grain pipes are Peterson.
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Edit: Removed link. L.

 

cigrmaster

Lifer
May 26, 2012
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Alan, interesting theory. I always stay away from thin walled pipes just as a matter of course.
That Pete is awesome, excellent example of birdseye.

 

sfsteves

Lifer
Aug 3, 2013
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I've never considered what description the grain had, but only whether it spoke to me ... whatever the grain, if it appeals to my taste and sense of beauty, I roll with it ... and that Pete in reborn's picture post bove appeals to me big time.

 

pitchfork

Lifer
May 25, 2012
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I like both birdseye and straight grain. There are so many different kinds of straight grain, too, having to do with both the grain pattern itself and the stain used to bring it out. I really like uniformly straight, fine, angel-hair straight grain (who doesn't?), but I also really like the kind that has slightly thicker bolts of bright grain running down the side, with finer, darker looking grain in between. I'll hunt up a photo somewhere.
It's funny, I used to have no interest whatsoever in grain, but there's something pleasing about seeing really nice grain patterns, especially a uniform straight grain pattern, while you're smoking. For me, it really adds something to the experience of smoking. Of course, like member said a while back, sometimes I'm just looking to have a smoke, not an experience.
Alan's theory is interesting and sounds plausible, but the thickness of the walls in most pipes is probably enough of a factor to override the tendency to split along the grain. At least for pipes younger than our grandparents.
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Here's an example of the kind of grain I like:

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It's not uniformly straight, but I love the color pattern -- very striking.
Here's another, more straight this time:
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rebornbriar

Starting to Get Obsessed
Aug 21, 2013
250
1
United Kingdom
As I read somewhere recently, straight grain isn't always straight! Like the Nachwalter pipe above the pipe has been carved in that shape to "follow" the grain. The grain flares from a patch of birds-eye on the heel up to the plateau rim. The grain is closer at the heel of the pipe than it is at the rim. This is the reason for wetting the briar block. To see how the grain runs and to figure out the shape of pipe that will display that grain to best effect.
Anthony that Rhodesian is amazing. The best cut Rhodesian/Bulldog pipes will have straight grain below the cut and birds-eye on the cap. I have only seen a few pipes that capture that perfectly.

 

burlpettibon

Starting to Get Obsessed
Sep 1, 2013
210
1
Tacoma, Washington
I loooove some birdseye but when I am looking at a pipe it really comes down to two things for me. Shape and Stain. If the shape just isnt doing it for me or the stain is off, it could have the most beautiful grain in the world and only be 20 bucks and I would most likely still pass it by... That might be a bit of an exaggeration but you get the point I'm trying to make.

 

rebornbriar

Starting to Get Obsessed
Aug 21, 2013
250
1
United Kingdom
Sorry, I shouldn't have put a link to my blog above. Link has been removed and I have pasted the text of the article below:
When buying a pipe, nothing seems to be more appealing than a uniformly straight grained pipe, and these normally come at a premium price. So why are so many briar blocks cut across the grain, and are we storing up future problems?
As a restorer, I have had the opportunity to handle and inspect thousands of pipes. My latest restorations for a client contained two vintage straight grained examples. One was a Fribourg & Treyer Straight Grain and the other was a Comoy Silver Mounted pipe from 1907 again with beautiful straight grain. During restoration, I discovered that the Comoy pipe had a number of bowl cracks running down the inside of the chamber. Of course this pipe has over 100 years of smoking attributed to it, and it had been over-reamed leaving many nicks around the rim. In fact one of the cracks had initiated at a rim nick being a point of weakness. However the Fribourg & Treyer pipe was a more modern example, probably from the 1970's. The pipe had not been over smoked and the walls were quite thick, but there was also a crack developing on the rim of the pipe along one of the grains. This got me thinking if there may be long term issues with straight grain pipes.
Briar root is a natural material and will display many of the characteristics of other woods. When you think about sawing a piece of wood it is much easier to saw across the grain. Trying to saw along the grain is much more difficult as the saw sometimes wants to fall into the natural grain of the wood as opposed to along the proposed cutting line. So is this one reason why so many briar blocks are cross cut? However, if you want to chop a piece of firewood with an axe, you would be chopping like mad to cut across the grain, but cutting into the grain will create a natural split and force the wood apart. Logs are sawed across the grain and split down the grain.
Bending a piece of wood across the grain will have some flexibility before the wood breaks. The same cannot be said of trying to bend along the grain. When timber is used as a support, the weight load is always placed across the grain. It is clear that across the grain is the stronger of the two options.
When you smoke a pipe, the heat in the bowl will cause expansion of the briar. In a cross cut pipe, the walls will retain an element of flexibility as well as having more strength to counter these expansions. But in a straight grain pipe, these expansions are hitting the walls in the weakest possible place. Too much expansion and the grain will start to split causing cracks in the bowl. This is especially true in straight grain sandblasted pipes like the Dunhill Shell pipes, which have weakened the structure of the briar even further by removing some of the material between the grain. If you intend to buy an estate Shell Briar, make sure the walls are not too thin and carefully inspect inside the chamber.
Whilst straight grain pipes may be beautiful to look at, you should be aware of their weaknesses. Here are a few tips to help you preserve the life of your straight grain pipe.
1) If you are planning on buying a straight grain pipe, make sure you buy one which has thick walls. Thin walls provide little protection against the strains produced by the heat while smoking.
2) Don't smoke your pipe hot. The hotter your pipe becomes, the greater the expansion in the walls which could easily crack the bowl. If you are a heavy puffer and hot smoker, perhaps straight grain pipes should be avoided in favour of cross cut briar.
3) Control the cake build up in the pipe. Cake absorbs moisture which turns to steam, expanding even further. Steam is very good at creating forces in the briar - think of steam driven engines! The more that cake builds up, the more steam is created and the greater the forces are against the side walls of the pipe. Keep cake build up to a minimum.
4) If you see any cracks developing in the inside walls of the pipe, make sure they are treated quickly by a restorer to prolong the life of your pipe. Once cracks break through to the outside - the problem is harder to fix.

 

pitchfork

Lifer
May 25, 2012
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Harris and I were just talking about this the other day, but Peter Matzhold has some of the best looking grain anywhere:
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And here's a Castello -- not perfectly straight, but I've never seen a pipe with such bold grain patterns:
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