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What is rubbing out and how does it affect flavor?

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  1. donkeykong

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    I'm sure there will be a hundred comments in jest from what i've seen with you jokers... but as a noob; I keep reading about "rubbing out" the tobacco and letting it sit for a bit on a piece of paper or whatnot..

    Ive been smoking Lane 1Q and Plumcake and found letting it sit for a bit, or letting the tin/jar dry it out a bit helps keep my pipe dry, but short of sorting through and breaking up the big bits what's up with this think that everyone talks about?

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    Rubbing out is when you take a flake (or larger piece of tobacco) and simply break it up into more manageable bits.
    Some blends benefit from rubbing out, while others taste better when folded into the chamber.
    "Better tasting" is completely subjective of course, so experimentation is a must.

    If there's a flake tobacco you like try rubbing some out completely and letting it dry out over night. Then compare it's flavor and smoking properties to another bowls worth that isn't rubbed out and dried.
    Therein your answer will lay.

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    I don't even know how you wrote that title without falling out of your chair.

    But yes, it is a method of preparing Flake tobacco. With flakes, you can fold and stuff, cube cut, or rubbed out. Each method changes the perceived flavor, I'm assuming because it changes how it burns. Just put the Flake between your palms and rub in a circular motion and it is rubbed out. Let it dry to your taste - some don't at all, others go as long as a day, and pack your pipe and smoke. Pay attention to the density of your packing - it it is too lose the tobacco will burn hot. Hope this helps some.

    Here's some more info: http://pipesmagazine.com/python/pipe-smoking/flake-pipe-tobacco-preparation/

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    Rubbing out is the process by which you eliminate some of your former friends you thought you could trust until you caught them stealing from your tobacco cellar. You take them very far out for a one way trip in your trunk all duct-taped up because they rubbed you the wrong way. It's called a 'Rub Out.' But you didn't hear that from me.

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    Cube cutting is also a way of getting more flavor out of flakes and coins. Its when you cut a flake horizontally, and break it into little squares.

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    With flakes I always rub them out (never did get the hang of fold and stuff) but it is the degree of rubbing out that makes the difference.

    When I started I would rub my flakes (which are usually quite thick being from either Samuel Gawith or Gawith and Hoggarth) really finely thinking this was the way to go. I have since learned that minimal rubbing out is my personal preference. I tend to get much more flavour and a slower burning smoke with roughly rubbed out tobacco.

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    With flakes/coins I use a method I call was and stuff where I take a piece of flake, wad it in a ball and stuff it in. Repeat untill bowl is full. Works for me ! Also like to cube cut, especially on a broken flake.

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    I use a weed grinder I bought in a head shop to reduce my flakes. It turns them into a very consistent ribbon cut.

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    Don't do it near your pipe and it won't affect the flavor.

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    Hello, Donkey! And a belated welcome to the forums.
    Building on the link that member Dread provided, I'd like to direct you to an old series of articles by Bob Tate in his blog: With Pipe & Pen. Scroll down through the introductory paragraphs and browse older articles to find lots of tips and techniques for many aspects of the hobby.

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    I take the term literally and pretty well massage the flake (coin, sliced plug, etc.) until it reaches the size that seems to work for that blend. I was recently reminded this is important when I just packed some krumble cake without really reducing it at all, thinking it would work like fold and stuff that some recommend, though it doesn't work for me. Next time I'll reduce the krumble cake a little more and let it dry at least an hour. When I smoked the loose pieces in an earlier bowl, it was delicious. This way it was good, but not nearly as expansive and didn't stay lit as well.

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    Wow! Thanks for the responses. I didn't realize that rubbing out applied to plug tobacco (or rolls or strips etc) the links were great, and I have a few more hours of reading!!

    And after rereading the title, taken out of context it sounds really bad lol... I hadn't stopped to consider that prior to posting

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    Click on this (Rubbing Out) it's self-explanatory.

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    "Don't do it near your pipe and it won't affect the flavor."

    I thought rubbing your pipe was the whole point?

    Not that a bit of polish affects flavor, regular maintenance just makes you feel better about yourself.

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    Welcome to the forum @donkeykong. I suggest searching YouTube for some video insight.

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    So, quick question for the rubbin pros here.

    I recently received my first tin of DNR. Haven't popped it open yet as I was unsure as to how I wanted to proceed.

    I've seen where some folks fold the coins over a couple of times and stuff em in the bowl. Others rub em out.

    Is there any noticeable difference in the either the flavor or difficulty in lighting/smoking with one vs the other?

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    I prefer to fold and stuff coins. I smoke a lot of escudo, very similar to DNR, and I find that is as easy as rubbing out for lighting and staying lit.

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    huntertrw - thanks for that one, been a long time since I've seen that clip and it was really enjoyed!

    Rubbing out is one of several possible processes, all of which merely serve to break apart the tobacco enough to expose surface area to allow oxygen to gain access to the plant fibers allowing them to burn.

    Whatever the original form, plug, coin, flake etc., my own personal feeling is that the closer I can keep the stuff to its original form, the more I enjoy the flavor, but it can be hard to learn to fold and stuff it in a way to get an easy burn. Proper drying is key.

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    Toobfreak: Yes sure proper drying is Key, now I have learned that, and do physically feel it afterwards if something went wrong

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    I love my herb grinder for reducing flake into piles of ribbon cut. It's less work than doing it by hand and is great for mixing blends.

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    At about the 6:00 time mark in this video, Mac Baren product specialist Per George Jensen advocates folding your coin tobacco.

    In this article, P&C.com's blender Russ Ouellette, says

    If the flakes, slices or coins are stuffed more or less intact into the pipe, the tobacco will burn more slowly and cooler, but won’t deliver quite as much flavor. Rubbing the pressed tobaccos out will increase the flavor, but it will tend to burn a bit hotter.

    You'll just have to try it yourself and see what pleases you most.

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    I just bought a pot grinder last weekend from a head shop in Galveston. It's larger than most and the lady said it will stay sharp for a long time.

    I used it on some Wessex Burley Slice and I like the results: no ribbons, just chopped to a nice size that I can trickle into my bowl.

    Then I rubbed a chunk of Black Frigate against half the grinder, closed the grinder and gave a couple turns. I got same result, tobacco chopped to nice size and smokes like a champ.

    I look forward to when my rotation makes room for some of my other flakes and coins.

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    @Cortez

    Very interesting. I wonder if for sweet blends like Escudo fold-n-stuff is preferable because it reduces that sugary breakfast cereal effect?

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    n this video, Mac Baren product specialist Per George Jensen advocates folding your coin tobacco

    Well, there you have it, the answer to many age old questions.

    Why bother making it into a coin if someone is going to rub it out? By folding the coins, you preserve the compressed nature of the tobacco which allows it to burn at a lower temperature, minimizing the bite from the high sugars and in my experience, the slower, cooler smoking yields a better developed flavor as the gentler heat from the nearby burning releases a heated outgassing of essential oils and other flavor agents into the smoke that a hotter flame combusts all up right there in the bowl or at least chemically alters in a more harmful way before it can be enjoyed.

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    Well assuming you don't do it in public and avoid getting arrested I am told it is (a) cheaper then getting a wife (b) saves a lot on nasty and expensive divorce actions (c) never has a headache. With regard to the flavor status I could comment although those of you who are gymnastically inclined might want to chime in at this point. If you are referring to tobacco I always shave my plugs and then break up the slivers in my fingers before loading my pipe and the same applies to ropes. It makes for even burning and less multiple relights.

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    I'm new here & rubbing out is something I want to try. Great info in this forum. I am learning a lot here.

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    Welcome to the forums, Archangel.

    Try rubbing, cross-cutting (cube cutting), folding and any other thing that comes to mind. I'm sure you'll hit on something special.

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    Thanks for the welcome, I see there is more to pipe smoking than just loading the bowl and smoking. I am eager to learn all about it. Thanks guys

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    Thanks for the welcome, I see there is more to pipe smoking than just loading the bowl and smoking. I am eager to learn all about it.
    It's crazy how much there is to learn about what seems like such a simple act. And it can very well be a simple act... or it can be a bit more complex. I think it depends on what you want from it. Regardless, it's a great past time and, and no matter how you like to smoke your pipe, we all have something in common here.

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    Pipe smoking doesn't get too physics heavy until you actually touch the pipe, as long as you're only "looking" at them the hobby is fairly straightforward.

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    By folding the coins, you preserve the compressed nature of the tobacco which allows it to burn at a lower temperature, minimizing the bite from the high sugars and in my experience, the slower, cooler smoking yields a better developed flavor as the gentler heat from the nearby burning releases a heated outgassing of essential oils and other flavor agents into the smoke that a hotter flame combusts all up right there in the bowl or at least chemically alters in a more harmful way before it can be enjoyed.

    The above is true only if the coin or flake is sufficiently dried down before loading. Rubbing out and letting dry is faster than the other way around.

    I know that you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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