These folks are business people, so I assume they are keeping the books and checking them twice. Iwan Ries used to have a great annual sale fifty percent off MRSP, which was about 37% off their standard discount, and I used to size up pipes in advance to decide what I might buy. This year, the discount went down to considerably less, 20% or 30%, about what I can find shopping around, at least on specific pipes. PC had some amazing sales on Stanwell and Big Ben last year. But finally, business folks have to look at the books. If they are increasing profits with sales, they will stage them; if not, not. It is business, and nothing can be done just for show.