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  1. curl

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    Until today I hadn’t known there was such a thing as a pipe with a virgin finish.
    So, what’s that mean? If I like a pipe with a virgin finish, what do I need to know or look out for? Would it require special care and maintenance?

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    Oh boy, this is going to be an interesting thread.

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    I have a number of virgin finish pipes. Mainly they're simply unstained and unwaxed. Leave them as such, and they'll darken over time as you smoke them, taking on a golden brown hue and revealing more grain. They're fun to watch taking on color as smoked over time. As far as care and maintenance... no more than any other pipe, and in fact less. You don't want to wax them. Other than that, treat as you would any other pipe.

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    In order to re-open Mclelland I propose we throw some virgin tobacco in a volcano shaped pipe.

    Ubi Ignis Est?
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    Anthony hit it. It's simply a briar that has not had a finish applied. Nothing arcane about it. It will color as any dead wood will as it ages. Also dirt, body oils, tobacco residue will add to the darkening.

    Chacom vends a pipe labeled "virgin."

    Now ... on with the train wreck!

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    A virgin finish is a pipe without a stain (sometimes they have a light waxing to give them a little shine). At least, this is my interpretation, but I may be wrong? A pipe with a virgin finish does not require any special care as far as I know, and will color naturally by getting a little darker with smoking and handling it. I did commission a virgin/natural finish pipe once and the carver applied a light stain, so yeah, I'll let others chime in on what a virgin finish really means.

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    The finish has to be smooth, supple, and creamy, preferably with no visible blemishes.

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    My Weber Virgin Deluxe looks stained with cherry tobacco.

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    I didn't know what to expect when I clicked on the title..

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    And we're off.

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    In addition to lacking a finish, I think that there's a lack of being experienced, seasoned or broken in being a virgin.

    After some time he felt for his pipe. It was not broken, and that was something. Then he felt for his pouch, and there was some tobacco in it, and that was something more. Then he felt for matches and he could not find any at all, and that shattered his hopes completely.

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    My Weber Virgin Deluxe looks stained with cherry tobacco.

    Oh, oh, a virgin who looks like she's been compromised.

    I know that you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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    I didn't know what to expect when I clicked on the title..

    I thought something about click bait before I clicked this and hoped something funny coming up :laughat:. Maybe I was wrong

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    And we're off.

    The finish has to be smooth, supple, and creamy, preferably with no visible blemishes.

    Aldecaker has pretty well summed it up, but if there's anyone that wants to expound... go for it. I think a virgin finish pipe has to be new and unsmoked if I'm not mistaken?

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    Aldecaker has pretty well summed it up, but if there's anyone that wants to expound... go for it. I think a virgin finish pipe has to be new and unsmoked if I'm not mistaken? [:wink:]

    Well, if anyone knows, mothernature would.

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    Virgin stained pipes are like old friends, you both age together. As corny as that sounds, it is true. After a few years it's like a contrast stain develops. And the appearance changes in certain lighting conditions. I stare at mine while smoking and enjoy the nuances.

    Here is a Virgin Devil Anse in natural sunlight, indoors, and with flash next to a deeply contrast stained pipe. You can see how the virgin stain has deepened over time, quite striking compared to a few years ago.

    Neal
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    That's a lot of virgins there.

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    To me, unfinished pipes that gradually "finish" themselves are one of the major joys of pipe smoking. First they darken a little unevenly, but then they take on a lovely color, and with some, an actual glow and polish. I have unfinished pipes in various stages. The oldest are the best and most lustrous. I highly recommend them. I have three Savinellis, a Casano, and a Nording signature freehand. They tend to be reasonably priced, and they have a unique quality of feeling like they breathe really well, insulate really well, and provide an especially pleasingly dry smoke. I always post and do a pitch for unfinished pipes.

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    Npod, who's the maker of that pipe? It's lovely!

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    That's a lot of virgins there.

    I'm guessing 72.

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    Npod, who's the maker of that pipe? It's lovely!

    Tom Eltang.

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    You need to always treat them with respect and be gentle. They will let you know how they want to be treated.

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    GBD Virgin grade pipes are stained. It's a light stain to be sure, but they are definitely stained.

    doc

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    Hmmm. Staining a virgin is a bit like Pres. Clinton's not having sex with that woman.....

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    Virgin pipes should only be smoked by first-time pipe smokers.

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    Virgin pipes should only be smoked by first-time pipe smokers

    So it's awful for all involved?

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    ^^^

    lol

    I have a virgin CPF that's 100+ years old. Not sure what a 100 year old virgin would be like.

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    Not sure what a 100 year old virgin would be like.

    Me neither, but I bet it involves fruit flies.

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    Pretty much what others have said. Virgin pipes are pipes that are "unfinished" in the sense that they do not have any stain applied. They can, however, have a coat of wax applied and still be considered "virgin".

    As far as the other "virgin" that seems to be on the edge of busting out in this thread....All I will say about that is... law enforcement gets really upset when you start talking about sacrificing one to appease the Gods....

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    Here you go...One Hundred-Year-Old Virgins.
    They are actually quite cute.

    "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
    Specialization is for insects!" - Robert Heinlein
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    Unfinished pipe with a red stain around the shank, Right!

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    For the sake of completeness, here are shots of a brand new virgin stain chimney next to the original Devil Anse that is much older and very well smoked. Same maker, same stain, same stem material, etc. You can see what happens over time in visual form.

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    Beautiful pipes npod. Similar to the process that a meerschaum goes through

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    Said Romeo to his cousin Benvolio "Love is a smoke raised with the fume of sighs;
    Being purged, a fire sparkling in lovers' eyes;"
    I believe Romeo was a virgin at this point in the play and alluding to smoke fits with a pipe smokers forum.

    I would like to have a pipe that ages along with me. Any recommendations for virgin finish pipe models?

    I've acquired an estate Peterson billiard in rough shape. After taking a buffing wheel and abrasive to it and removing most of the crud and varnish, it has a lighter look. Rather than using carnuba wax on it I've left it as is and like the way it is slowly darkening on its own. This Peterson is a cheap knock around pipe so I don't feel the need to baby it.

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    Here’s the pipe that prompted my post.

    Here it is from The Danish Pipe Shop...

    https://www.danishpipeshop.com/d/Johs-High-Grade-Virgin-Acorn-w-Bamboo-i4121.html

    Here it is now in having just arrived Saturday...

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    You can see that the color of the briar has darkened quite a bit.
    I wish it had darkened on my watch. I liked the lighter version quite a bit...it’s coloration was one of the reasons I ordered it. Still, I’m happy with it. It’s a real babe magnet. I’ve already taken this virgin out on its maiden voyage, and I like how it smokes.

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    I must thank The Danish Pipe Shop for filling my order so quickly and for its excellent customer service. I heartily recommend them to you all, I know I’ll keep checking their site for my next PAD.

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    It’s a real babe magnet.

    YES! Never heard that one before, but I like it.

    Yep, that's a good example of what a virgin stained pipe looks like after it is broken in and well smoked. And you are right, the fun is watching it happen in your own hands, but that is a great pipe nonetheless.

    I must thank The Danish Pipe Shop for filling my order so quickly and for its excellent customer service. I heartily recommend them to you all,

    +1

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    unfinished pipes that gradually "finish" themselves
    Is that still a Virgin if they finish themselves? I'm confused now.

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    I have not had a virgin since 1974 or 75.

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    LIKE A VIRGIN, smoked for the very first time.

    Since this post was originally presented I have been working on a photo project to show the progression of virgin briar coloration over time. I finally got the time to put some images together that tell the story. The original Virgin stack pipe is now 6 months in and well smoked. Eltang briar.

    Left-to-right: 3 years, 6 months, new (never smoked). Studio/Strobe lighting:

    Natural lighting:

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    My latest unfinished pipe acquisition, about two months ago, was a Peterson yacht. I liked the shape. At first I missed the familiar Peterson heft in the shank and stem, but with several bowls, I really appreciate the light weight combined with an ample bowl, and I think I am seeing a glimmer of good color already. These were on sale in several shapes at PC, and I am well pleased.

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    I bought this University pipe from P&C.com Brand new in 2016. Supposed to be 30 year old aged unsmoked briar that was restamped for this sale.

    And this is it today with no waxing, staining, nothing.

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    Perfect illustration.

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    Where are all the dirty jokes? Everybody is sharing on topic information! :p

    I have a Sav 320 rusticated Seta. Does it count as a virgin pipe?

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    The finish has to be smooth, supple, and creamy, preferably with no visible blemishes. [:wink:]

    And the pipe must never have been smoked...

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    Here’s some new virgin porn to look at.

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    These look truly gorgeous, both before and after.
    Will the effect be similar on a rusticated virgin pipe? I have my eyes on a nice looking Castello Natural Vergin.

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    For some decades, Savinelli used unfinished pipes as seconds, and they usually had a fill or two, but mostly inconspicuous, and they darkened and attained luster in a fine way. You can still find these, but the Rossi line, purchased by Savinelli has absorbed some of these and sold them with dark stain, and the prices on the Sav unfinished pipes has gone up in price, along with everything else. Other brands have featured upscale versions where the pipes have mostly no visible blemishes, and others have textured carving but no stain, and no visible blemishes. But the principle is the same, with the pipes taking on color, shine, and patina over several years. The the luster continues to deepen with time.

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    Will the effect be similar on a rusticated virgin pipe?

    Nope. Virgin rusticated pipes develop a patina over time vs a darkening of the wood. They will color for sure, but it’s from oils on the hands and also the tar and moisture from the tobacco. The effect is wonderful, but very different than a true virgin smooth briar.

    Example: Castello Opera 44 virgin sea rock. Very old and well smoked.

    Example: Castello Billiard virgin sea rock.

    Versus

    Example: the smooth Eltang stack chimney as seen above, but now one year old and well smoked. The natural contrast coloring is a yellow walnut. So beautiful.

    Example: virgin smooth egg, 10 months

    Example: virgin brandy 5 years

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    Oooo, that egg!!! You're such an enabler, Neal.

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    Thanks for the insightful reply and the excellent pictures, npod. I love the patina in those sea rocks, but it's now obvious to me that I also need to look for a smooth virgin for my collection. Yours are exquisite.

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    In order to re-open Mclelland I propose we throw some virgin tobacco in a volcano shaped pipe.

    Hilarious. Stealing from another funny post, I suppose virgin tobacco would be cherry tobacco.

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    Don't know nothin' about no virgins, and that baby don't look nothin' like me. (Had to get a joke on this thread.)

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    Neal, great looking pipes and incredible pics. Thanks for sharing.

    Harris
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    It can also be fun to take a cheap pipe and sand off the coating to give it a virgin finish.
    They usually have knots and filling underneath, but it can be a good way to get the effect in any given brand or shape you already like without going to lengths searching for a factory made virgin finish.

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