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  1. pipeinhand

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    From today's Washington Post.

    There is nothing like being left alone again, to walk peacefully with oneself in the woods.
    To boil one's coffee and fill one's pipe, and to think idly and slowly as one does it.
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    Interesting, but I wonder if the author could have been any more negatively biased about tobacco?

    Mason

    And though it is much to be a nobleman, it is more to be a gentleman. - Anthony Trollope
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    Another 80%er or what some here may call sheeple?

    Makes me want to grow it.

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    when they start selling that anti-tooth-decay navy flake i'm gonna get a few ounces.

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    Interesting, but I wonder if the author could have been any more negatively biased about tobacco?

    Yeah, that was quite the opening sentence. I know I read the article with a closed and defensive frame of mind from the reporters first word (Warning) on...which is unfortunate, because this is probably the only presentation of article that an anti *may* accept.

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    "Warning: The subject of this exploration will constrict your blood vessels, choke your windpipe and dispatch you to an early grave, 5 million of you a year. The most lucrative crop the Americas have ever seen, it kept the British at bay, kept the enslaved entrapped, kept Hollywood sexy. Until it didn’t anymore"

    Translation: "If you smoke you are almost as bad as Hitler and are suicidal, prevented what America really needed, which is Monarchy and British-style Socialist dystopia (despite the misgivings of all your ancestors who died so we could be a free republic), made Evil people rich and promote slavery, and would just as soon sell your fellow man into bondage than give up your vile-reprehensible weed of death. But at least Hollywood learned its lesson, unlike you vile troglodytes who defiantly suck your noxious fumes as your fellow man pays the price for your arrogance."

    Real meaning: To keep from being ostracised By the Washington (com)post's cadre of Marxists, revisionists and outright fascists, he ha dto open up his article about how bad tobacco is and how shitty we are as human beings, or the article never would have made it to print and he would be labeled an UNPERSON and eliminated from history, as a syphilitic, sexual deviant who was sent into "re-education" for his own good.

    Given what he was up against, I say good job. Far from what many of us would call truthful or gutsy reporting, on the sliding scale of weaselhood, It's a good article.

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    I want to know more about those "non-Western medical uses." Anyone else get the feeling that tobacco is going to end up like eggs and whole milk? Some people will swear its going to kill you and other people re going to swear that it's healthy.

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    Laid back, swerving like I'm George Jones
    Smoke rolling out the window
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  8. baronsamedi

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    I hear ya Cyndi. My Gramma ate bacon, eggs and toast fried in bacon grease and lived to me 97 years old. My grandad smoked and drank like an Irish hooligan and lived to be 89 (and held several track and field records that weren't broken until the 1990s).

    Everything we do has risks and benefits. What we get out of the chemical soup we put in our bodies everyday is largely influenced by genetics, our metabolism and ability to naturally resist chemicals and make use of the good stuff.

    In summary: The strong survive. I should be so lucky. everything else they tell you is politically motivated bullshit.

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  9. markw4mms

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    Aside from the warning in the first couple of lines, that was a good read. Thanks for posting!

    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
    - Benjamin Franklin
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  10. tobakenist

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    An excellent read, a fair bit of it has been known for years, we should not be suprised that there are some positive uses for our beloved plant, I know it is being grown in England for research.

    Regards Ken,
    I am not young enough to know everything.
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  11. chopz

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    syphilis and sexual deviance aside, i appreciate the article being published. and i couldn't find a lie in it.

    also, for the record, socialism and fascism are basically diametrically opposed, the former focusing on the collective and the latter on the individual. might as well accuse them of being "objectivist commies," or something.

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    So it may cure alzheimers, but ... wait, what were we discussing???

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    Fascism is the ultimate form of collectivism if you think about it. Socialism is just a means to an end. Karl Marx admitted it outright in respect to communism. The only difference is that in fascism, there is no delusion that you are a contributing member of the body politic (except for what you "voluntarily" contribute to the cause). Communism only allows for the delusion that you are a participant in the beaurocracy that allows the dictatorship to run. Both the USSR and the third Reich claimed to be proud Socialists (the Reich, of course, being Nationalist in nature and the Soviets remaining soldiers for "the Cause" rather than focusing on the superiority of a single race, culture etc.)

    Both are worthy opponents of anyone who cares for Liberty and anyone who cares for individual liberty should be wary of Socialism as a seed to things much worse.

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    It reminds me of this article which I think is a bit more honest and less politically-correct while being far from pro-smoking.

    I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. -- C. S. Lewis, Theologian, Philosopher, Professor, Pipe smoker.
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    Ok guys....

    No more political discussions please.

    Good article.

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    I thought it was a good read; and it gives me some hope that tobacco still has a future in this country.
    Like baron said, the preliminary warning was just a politically correct CYA statement, and if that's
    what it takes to pass muster in the editor's room, then so be it.

    I find myself sitting idly on the line dividing past and future,
    as if I could kill time without injuring eternity. -- Thoreau
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    That is a great article. We need more like it.

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