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hakchuma

Part of the Furniture Now
Jan 13, 2014
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To obtain a 2016 non-tobacco credit ($99/month), my employer demands that I complete the company approved, no cost tobacco cessation program. I need to call the Lung Help Line (sponsored by American Lung Association) at 1-800-586-4872 to speak with a qualified tobacco cessation specialist. After I’ve complete FIVE telephonic counseling sessions, complete and return the attached certificate to Human Resources.
That’s right folks! I would have to pay $99 dollars a month to smoke a tobacco pipe. The trick is the insurance company categorizes it as a ‘credit’ so they don’t have to define it as a fee.
So anyway I called the number. It went fairly easy. I asked for the person’s name so I could record it for my employer. They wouldn’t give out their last names. I thought that was odd. What, do they think we pipe smokers are crazy lunatics?
So I’m curious. I feel this is an invasion of my privacy. I’m not sure what sort of questions or discussions that will take place during my next four calls. This all just rubs me the wrong way. Same thing goes for when we have random drug tests at work, they test for nicotine. I wonder if they test for caffeine.
Perhaps I’ll tell them I smoke a pipe for spiritual reasons as did my Choctaw ancestors and tell them I am offended that I am subjugated to this offensive invasion of my privacy. I’m sure if I do then they will just not give me an option to gain the $99 credit at all.
On another topic I wanted to share. I live in a small town of about 7000 surrounded by cornfields. The next town is an hour away. We have two of those old people commuter buses. Yes for old people. Not like the big city busses or anything. Anyway, on the side of the bus is a large bulletin board and it reads ‘If you smoke, they do too!’. Sort of as if someone thought it would be a great idea to just passively attack any would be smokers in the area. I kind of laugh at that because here is the diesel bus parked in a parking lot spewing out diesel fumes for 30 minutes at a time while sitting there waiting.

 
May 4, 2015
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What line of work are you in where your smoking habits are monitored so closely.
And "they test for nicotine." What about nicotine replacement cessation tools, IE gum and patches? How can they presume it's not that and is a pipe?
I'm confused. Your insurance company is offering you a credit if you quit. But your employer is demanding it?

 

hakchuma

Part of the Furniture Now
Jan 13, 2014
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Michigan, USA
I'm a programmer at a mutual insurance company. I guess I should have said my health insurance (A different insurance company than my employer.)requires it, but I haven't actually asked where this credit comes from, just assuming.

 

pagan

Lifer
May 6, 2016
5,963
28
West Texas
This is the very reason I do not answer any survey questions, any form from HR gets the boring other race no bad habit answers, what they don't know will kill me, hahahahaha, but that's my business

 
May 4, 2015
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But, your employer drug tests for nicotine?
Insurance underwriting, perhaps, but what would your employer have to do with your nicotine habits?

 

hakchuma

Part of the Furniture Now
Jan 13, 2014
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Michigan, USA
Don't really know. All I know is that when I went in for my random test I heard one girl ask the other if this one includes nicotine too and she replied 'yep'

 

tuold

Lifer
Oct 15, 2013
2,133
166
Beaverton,Oregon
A non-smoking pharmacist I know who gives tobacco cessations classes was herself ordered to go through three months of nicotine rehab after testing positive. She had chewed a piece of nicotine gum for a few seconds during one of her classes to see what they tasted like, then spit it out. She had to pay three month's increased insurance premiums during that time.
There is zero tolerance.

 

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
11,725
16,317
Foothills of the Chugach Range, AK
Easy solution, don't like your employer's rules, quit taking the money and find employment elsewhere.

Take the money, follow the rules. I just do not see the conflict in your situation. Accept the consequences of your decisions and choices.
Your employer is not prohibiting your smoking. You have choices. You can quit. You can destroy your veracity. Or, you can honestly take money and follow your employer's directives.
I hate situational ethics, I really do. Why would one want to work in a place where they feel the need to lie in order to continue employment. The money surely cannot be worth the cost.

 
May 4, 2015
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A programmer at an insurance company seems eminently hirable. Quit that job and find somewhere that doesn't babysit you!
Though, if your employer supplements your health insurance premium, they have an interest in your smoking habits. If they direct you not to smoke or else lose part of that subsidy - that's the way it is.
I'd find another job or procure my own health insurance (ACA marketplace or otherwise.)

 

deepspringfarm

Might Stick Around
Dec 29, 2013
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I have a friend who smoked like a freight train (cigarettes). You could smell him walk into our locker room. He smoked on his way into get his nicotine test. When the results came back, they said, "would you like to change your answer on whether or not you are a smoker? because your test came back without any nicotine" He was blown away.

I have a question, does anyone know how long nicotine would be detectable in a normal situation?

 

mayfair70

Lifer
Sep 14, 2015
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In a healthy adult, 70% of the nicotine in your body will be metabolized by the liver in less than 5 minutes. Interestingly, flue-cured tobacco is barely absorbed through buccal membrane. :puffpipe:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2953858/#R79
http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/circulationaha/7/5/690.full.pdf

 

perdurabo

Lifer
Jun 3, 2015
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H, if reading this correctly, your healthcare insurance, is giving you nic test and requiring to pay $99 a month to smoke?
Here's what you do. Start taking niacin and any other flushing vitamins with tons of water. Claim you don't smoke and around these times that the Healthcare insurance wants to test, stop smoking and flush your body out. Treat it like Cannibis smokers do. At this point it's to late, they got you. But this was one huge reason I was for annihilating Insurance companies, instead of giving them more business than ever with Obamacare. Sorry to here this. Wish you luck, Warren's advice was your best bet.

 

plugugly

Starting to Get Obsessed
Mar 9, 2015
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A big part of the problem here is that every advance in science - like your drug testing - takes away a bit more of our liberty. And technology is just ROARING ahead these days, isn't it? Breathalyzers, radar guns, "black boxes" in your car recording how you drive, "traffic" (surveillance) cameras everywhere and "facial recognition software" on Facebook to pick YOU out of the party crowd when anyone posts a picture. In the 1980's, my future was so bright, I had to wear shades! Now I wear 'em - for security purposes.
Plugugly

 

tuold

Lifer
Oct 15, 2013
2,133
166
Beaverton,Oregon
I don't think its technology that is the problem here. It's the phenomenon of the increase of collectivization in America. Things you did yesterday that only hurt you back in the day now affect everybody today. No longer is your unhealthy lifestyle just your problem, it's making life more expensive for everybody now because we are all in the same risk pool. Also, remember when insurance was there to cure you of an illness if you got sick? Now it's there to keep you from getting sick in the first place. That means your behavior has to be controlled. Right now that's by using financial disincentives and the use of "Health Partners" who you must communicate with on a scheduled basis, even if you see you doctor for a checkup every year. This genie is not going back in his bottle. It's only going to get more invasive as we move to single payer insurance within the next five to ten years.

 
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