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  1. anthonyrosenthal74

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    I love this blend. It is one of the best blends I've ever smoked. I hope to be able to score more tins here and there in the future as I only have 12 tins. I paid 10 dollars and change for it just a few days ago....

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sealed-McClelland-Balkan-Blue-50-gran-tin/222868922978?hash=item33e405e262:g:S0gAAOSwJ6dancB9

    I just can't justify spending that much money on a tin regardless how much I like it.

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    Am I charging too much?

    Damnation seize my soul if I give you quarters, or take any from you.
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    Am I charging too much?
    I knew it was you, you old pirate!

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    Arrr! All 10 o' me tins be safely agin' in the hold. No scalpin' here. It is disheartening to see though.

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    If you invest the time to call around, I suspect you'll still be able to find some tins at a reasonable price. I'd do that quickly though as there are other people out there doing the same thing.

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    There are a few obscure websites stocked with several of McClelland's blends. Ordered a bunch of Oriental No. 6 over the weekend.

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    Good lord!

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    Supply and demand dear fellow pipe smokers ... and a little bit of craze. These prices wouldn't go sky high if nobody would be willing to pay. And since the whole thing with McCleland is official now, everybody went into this hysteria. It's good tobacco, by all means, but it's definitely not worth paying the ridiculous prices.

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    It did not take long for the scalpers to get onto ebay. Saw McClelland's 40th Anniversary still on SP only a few weeks back for around $16 and today on ebay I saw it for $65.

    When the dust settles I think prices will drift back a bit. If we all do not feed the stampede things will return to some normality sooner.

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    Might prove interesting to see how many buyers there are for these silly prices. Stop back in a few months to see where the level really is.

    So many other great blends out there. Why shed blood over these?

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    These went for $300. If these prices hold, I'm rich!

    That was 2017. I still have 20 of those.........nah, I want to smoke it.

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    I wonder if a lot of this is going to other countries that recently have discovered pipe smoking and have more $$$ than sense.....The same mob that buys up all the pipes at the pipe shows before they go out on the tables....Let the debate begin!

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    Everyone's going to see how far they can twist the knife before the tip breaks. Thats a real shame!

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    Unscrupulous opportunist.........

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    I can see prices getting out of control when all the stock is gone, such is the nature of a supply/demand system. But if there are outlets where the same product is available at normal retail prices why the stratospheric price now?

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    I can see prices getting out of control when all the stock is gone, such is the nature of a supply/demand system. But if there are outlets where the same product is available at normal retail prices why the stratospheric price now?

    Perception. When consumers perceive a shortage they are willing to pay much more for the same goods they think or know will be going away. This is nothing new, just maybe new to our hobby.

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    From what I have been reading, a lot of retailers are jacking up their prices too. So normal retail today is not what it was a week ago. Regulars are complaining that their stores are doing this, and others are complaining that they found out that the stores that they tried to raid and came up empty on, were actually back-rooming the McC and not saying that they had it unless they knew them. Not sure how they would figure that out, but OK. But most or all of the stores out there won't be getting any more, and they probably got sick of having flippers running in and buying everything McC, nothing else, and probably never to return after they leave and sell it on Ebay.

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    Geesh...those ebayers can't even do free sipping over $100 I have 10 tins of Balkan Blue...that will just have to do me unless I come across secret stash in a B&M.

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    Prices have tripled on anything McC in the past week. Jaw dropping prices.

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    Rooked!

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    I always think of the pipe community as being a better group of people. Most of the time it is correct. This is a shame.

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    Unscrupulous opportunist.........

    The way I see it, there are plenty of rich people with more money than sense. And they didn't have the sense to buy McClelland when the gettin was good.
    Now, if they want to piss away their yacht gas money and overpay for some tins late to the game, all is fair. Hopefully, the seller is just a poor shnook looking to pay his bills or sees an opportunity to stock his cellar deeper on the cheap by flipping a few tins. That's capitalism, supply/demand, and nobody is twisting the buyer's arm.

    That said, there is no way I would pay these ridiculous asking prices either, no matter how much I want it.

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    It's really no different than what happens after an Esoterica delivery. The scalpers descend to snap up the goods, then turn around and sell it for a 500% profit. The only difference is the scale of it, because there are literally tons of McClelland around. Granted, scalpers are capitalizing on the shock caused by the unexpected disappearance of one of the pillars of the pipe tobacco scene. And buyers are willing to be screwed. Without willing to be screwed buyers, there are no scalpers. It remains to be seen how far and how long this will go, especially after the shock wears off.

    Who the buyers are, I have no idea, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were overseas buyers who had limited access to these blends and just want a tin or two to have. Here's yet another reminder that we pay far less on average for a tin of tobacco than anywhere else on earth. And then we bitch about the cost.

    So, while this freak show continues, I'll watch it, because it's interesting behavior. And, I'll be happy that I listened to others and started cellaring years ago, so that I have what I want when I want it.

    And it reminds me of a truism that is being reinforced:

    Never give a sucker an even break.

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    That was 2017. I still have 20 of those.........nah, I want to smoke it.

    I agree with chasingembers, at this point I'll just smoke it and enjoy it.. (I wonder what my Wilderness would go for now..)

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    Well said, Sablebrush. Very true that the current prices on ebay we consider exhorbitant are within the normal realm of prices for europeans, australians, etc.
    And my quest to cellar some McClelland tins really only started in earnest with the demise of 5100, which I wish I had more of, and that was the writing on the wall for me.

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    It may be geezer advice -- it is -- but I think it's the time to sample around and see what long-standing less expensive blends are appealing to you, either as-is or mixed with other similarly available blends. If you follow your heart's yearnings, at this point in pipe smoking history, you're going to get ripped off for sure. I don't mean stop buying your favorites, just have a plan B. Some bag, pouch, and tub tobacco is far better than its image.

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    Unscrupulous opportunist.........

    Really? The goods are not something essential to life (though I might and we might argue differently).

    It's unfortunate and unpleasant, but there's nothing unscrupulous about supply and demand.

    I know that you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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    I was never heavily into McClelland, except for their red Virginias, and I had stocked up on those. I did buy a few tins of other McClelland blends to smoke when the handwriting was on the wall. But this just isn't a big deal for me because my smoking interests mostly went in a different direction.

    I still have the 5100 I bought several years ago because I found it too monochromatic to smoke on its own, so it's been jarred until I find the time to start blending. 2015 and 2010 I have stocked, great blends for the buck.

    Hopefully the majority of McClelland fans were able to cellar their favorites over the years, because McClelland was always going to end at some point, according to the founders.

    Time to go exploring and find other great blends. There are a LOT of them.

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    Oh, I'll branch out for sure. But I will always miss that McClelland tin note.

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    Buying all the bottled water in an emergency and then marking it up 500% is unscrupulous.

    Selling tobacco for the price you can get for it is not.

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    3 cans of 1776 going for 236$ and still 5 hours to go...lol

    Reminding me of Beenie Babies.

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    Selling tobacco for the price you can get for it is not.

    I tend to agree with this if the tobacco in question comes from someone's cellar with some age on it.

    When you buy something from a retailer and turn around and sell it for double the price the next...then you are taking advantage of people. Maybe not unscrupulous, but certainly not a very nice thing to do. Some of the people paying those high prices on ebay could have perhaps purchased the same tin of tobacco at the normal price if these sellers had not scooped up lots of 50 or more tins at a time from SP or P&C.

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    Some of the people paying those high prices on ebay could have perhaps purchased the same tin of tobacco at the normal price if these sellers had not scooped up lots of 50 or more tins at a time from SP or P&C

    I don't take it as a given that this happened to any appreciable degree. Even if it DID, people who decided to last minute buy so they could try something they hadn't felt the need to up to this point might just have to deal with their indecisiveness. That's the boat I'm rowing and I'll not get to try a lot of things because I won't pay any more than $6 or $7 an ounce for anything. Ever. C'est la vie. It would have run out sooner than later anyhow, "flippers" or no.

    It's just quite simply not taking advantage of people. There's no shakedowns happening here. People are bidding on things they want to buy of their own free will.

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    Not sure how you can consider it unscrupulous. If there's nobody there to buy it, these sellers will end up holding the bag and wondering how they're going to pay off their credit card bills. It's no different than drugs, take away the buyers and the sellers are out of business.

    The word on McClelland was out since some time in December. There were numerous times on the internet big three where there were discounts of up to 20% offered. Frankly, if you ignored the obvious writing on the wall while some opportunistic jackleg didn't, blame yourself and not the jackleg.

    The exact same thing appears to be happening with Dunhill at this very moment. If you're a Dunhill fan, you best be stocking up right now. Otherwise, you're going to be posting on a thread a few months from now complaining how someone is selling Dunhill tins for $100 each. As the old saying goes, you can shit in one hand or you can hope in the other (hope that Dunhill really isn't going out of business), then see which hand fills up first.

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    The moral compass is lacking in some. While you can justify it and consider it not unscrupulous and not taking advantage of someone, the sad reality is that buying tins at a low price knowing that they will get jacked up to unprecedented levels is shady. I have no problem with guys hoarding for their own cellar, but by definition, taking advantage of includes, "exploit or make unfair use of for one's own benefit." I'm not buying any of the price jacked McClelland or Dunhill tobacco, so I am not whining about it. But if we are honest with ourselves, anyone buying this tobacco just to charge someone more later lacks a moral character that I look for and respect in my fellow human beings.

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    But if we are honest with ourselves, anyone buying this tobacco just to charge someone more later lacks a moral character

    I'm not doing it, but I couldn't care less if someone else is. Buy low sell high isn't in-and-of itself immoral. Who is being exploited here exactly? Doofuses who are using their own money as they please?

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    the sad reality is that buying tins at a low price knowing that they will get jacked up to unprecedented levels is shady.
    I don't see the shadiness, this seems like business 101 to me.
    Take the above sentence and substitute gold coins, houses, beanie babies, gasoline, whatever........ or are you saying capitalism in general is shady?

    I once sold a house for twice what I paid, does that make me shady?

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    Hell with capitalism even. It's how investment works.

    Why would I buy gold if I didn't think the prices would go up?

    If I KNEW it would go up like THIS, I'd buy a lot more of it if I could. Does that make me shady because I've deprived someone else the opportunity?

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    Are people buying and flipping houses right now shady because they're earning unprecedented returns on the flip?

    They don't intend to LIVE in the houses (just like the tobacco "flippers" don't intend to smoke the tobacco.)

    The logic doesn't follow here.

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    Just ignore these schmucks and enjoy what you have. Personally, I have only ever sold pipe tobacco once and that was to a new pipe smoker and I sold it at cost. I just can't see doing it myself. That said, when I saw these kinds of prices it did make me eye the 66 tins of Christmas Cheer in the cellar, amongst others. That feeling passed very quickly however.

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    I don't know Tom, looking at our avatars, we might be shady!...........

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    While I find this personally distasteful, I don't consider scalping unethical or immoral, rather amoral. Ethics and morality do not enter into it. To paraphrase George Washington Plunkett, "They seen their opportunity and they took it!" It's certainly not generous or giving, and it's certainly opportunistic.

    But the opportunity wouldn't exist if there weren't buyers willing to spend what scalpers are asking. All anyone needs to do to end this is to not be a customer. Customers set the price by buying. And anyone who is a customer to a scalper and complains is a fool.

    As has been pointed out, these are not basic survival items. Scalping on tobacco isn't the same as scalping on life saving medicine.

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    I don't know Tom, looking at our avatars, we might be shady!.

    Much more likely than "might."

    Peck - no one believes you. We all know that you have orders of magnitude more tobacco than you could ever possibly smoke. If you weren't intending to resell SOME DAY, then what's it FOR?!

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    Scalping on tobacco isn't the same as scalping on life saving medicine.

    I'd argue that it's not even scalping which I see as creating an artificial scarcity to manipulate prices. This I DO have a problem with as it is inequitable to promoters, venues and artists. This tobacco scarcity happened the good old fashioned way by a company going out of business. These are different things.

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    I wouldn't call it shady, but it does evince a certain degree of opportunism that can rub people the wrong way at times. People understand and expect that speculators looking for a quick flip will be involved in the stock market or the housing market, for example, but it rubs them the wrong way when it comes to other things that they enjoy and have a more personal and even emotional connection with, like concert tickets, sporting events or pipe tobacco.

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    Peck - no one believes you. We all know that you have orders of magnitude more tobacco than you could ever possibly smoke. If you weren't intending to resell SOME DAY, then what's it FOR?!

    Two options:

    1. Gift it to friends, or

    2. Get naked and bathe and frolic in a tub full of tobacco.

    You will be the first to know which door I choose.

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    Well said Sable. Non essentials. Price it what you can get for it. You'd be a fool not too.

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    but there's nothing unscrupulous about supply and demand

    Really ? How about after a big snow emergency the hardware store that was selling shovels for $15 normally,ups it to $80. Or the chain saw that was $300 is now $550-$600. Or when a towns electric is out and the gas station next town over triples the price per gallon!! That's supply and demand and you see nothing wrong? Those are not life saving items.

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    Two options:

    1. Gift it to friends, or

    2. Get naked and bathe and frolic in a tub full of tobacco.

    Hopefully you don't decide on 1. AFTER 2.

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    Really ? How about after a big snow emergency the hardware store that was selling shovels for $15 normally,ups it to $80. Or the chain saw that was $300 is now $550-$600. Or when a towns electric is out and the gas station next town over triples the price per gallon!! That's supply and demand and you see nothing wrong?

    If you can't reason the differences here out for yourself, I don't know what else to tell you.

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    Well, no. I can price my tobacco sales (nil so far!) at 10%, 100%, 500% above cost, or at cost—or below cost and not be a fool. There's more to pricing than to getting absolute maximum revenue at one point in time.

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    @ derekflint did you even bother to read his entire post......sheesh

    Really? The goods are not something essential to life (though I might and we might argue differently).

    It's unfortunate and unpleasant, but there's nothing unscrupulous about supply and demand.

    Its pipe tobacco we're talking and jpmcwjr even made the distinction between it and the examples you are using to get yourself worked up over.

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    Really ? How about after a big snow emergency the hardware store that was selling shovels for $15 normally,ups it to $80. Or the chain saw that was $300 is now $550-$600. Or when a towns electric is out and the gas station next town over triples the price per gallon!! That's supply and demand and you see nothing wrong?

    Most of those situations are what economists call situational monopolies. In a situational monopoly (as with any monopoly), free market dynamics by definition break down, as they do with any monopoly. When the situational monopoly involves a necessary good or service (the proverbial fresh water in a hurricane or rescue services rendered to a distressed ship in open water), legislators can rightfully intervene to prescribe legal conscequences to those who take advantage of a situational monopoly over a necessary good or service. Pipe tobacco is not a necessary good. Moreover, there is clearly an open market for pipe tobacco and no monopolistic seller.

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    If you can't reason the differences here out for yourself, I don't know what else to tell you.

    I can reason them out....I just don't like it. I guess we'll see the same thing soon with Dunhill.......

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    I can reason them out....I just don't like it. I guess we'll see the same thing soon with Dunhill.......

    I expect you will, though I would anticipate not as pronounced because it won't be as sudden as MC.

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    Not "liking" something but not being able to justify or articulate why is what has confused me about this entire fiasco.

    We aren't entitled to "like" everything - that doesn't mean someone else should be berated for their actions.

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    Boy oh boy...I got all worked up !! Sorry fellas........... Can't take me anywhere !!

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    There is nothing wrong with an emotional reaction; that is, after all, what makes us human.

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    ...just to get my money’s worth out of this meme.

    Michael
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    There is nothing wrong with an emotional reaction; that is, after all, what makes us human.

    Sure, but name calling and questioning people's moral integrity because your feelings are hurt about tobacco seems like an odd way to emotionally react. Maybe I'm just a robot.

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    LOL Cosmic

    I get the sense that guy will be willing to finance my McClelland purchase with low monthly payments stretched out over the next 144 months.

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    Sure, but name calling and questioning people's moral integrity because your feelings are hurt about tobacco seems like an odd way to emotionally react. Maybe I'm just a robot.

    I don't see any name calling directed at you. Unless you are the seller in the ebay link?

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    I don't see any name calling directed at you. Unless you are the seller in the ebay link?

    Ha...things that make you go hmmm.

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    Personally, I don't see all the hassle with Ebay, PayPal and then packaging and going to post office worth it, to make a few hundred dollars. To each their own I guess. If someone were to post something I really wanted and I thought it was worth it to me, I'd consider buying it and be happy I got it. Better to have the opportunity than not. I have no problem with people stocking up for their own use, I'm doing that myself. Frankly, I have more of an issue with "hoarders" than I do the "scalpers". But really, people should do what they want with their money.

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    Ha - I've never sold anything on eBay in my life. And it wasn't directed at me sure, but I can still see the fault in it.

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    I have more of an issue with "hoarders" than I do the "scalpers"

    Hoarders are the lowest of the low.

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    It is interesting to see all the varied opinions on this subject. I am a capitalist so I have no problem with what is taking place. People are free to seek their profits where they will as long as it is not illegal. There is the possibility there is a saturation of the market and the flippers may have to sell low just to pay off their credit cards.

    Now Ebay has stated no tobacco sales, yet doesn't enforce the rules. How long will that last and if it doesn't what other outlets are there for the flippers to ply their wares? I am not on social media so not sure if those are legitimate outlets.

    One thing is for sure, these are not boring times we have ahead of us. I will watch with interest how the Dunhill closure has an impact on the tobacco markets.

    Harris
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