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Suggestions for Orientals - non Latakia

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  1. rmpeeps

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    While I’ve been around a while and have a few items cellared, I has hoping to get your recommendations for non-latakia top-flight Oriental blends.
    Virginias and Perique compliments are good, as is the possibity of some burley, Kentucky, or uncased cavendish. Not a real fan of fruity toppings.
    In the past I’ve enjoyed C&Ds Oriental Silk, Three Friars, GLP Cairo, and a couple others.
    The blends I have cellared all have quite a bit of age on them and are very rich.
    So many blends have come out in the past decade that I thought it worth trying something different.
    I don’t mind a nic hit, but something fresh, creamy and luscious sounds nice.
    Thanks guys.

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    You might be surprised by Daughters & Ryan's Ramback Balkan.

    It's a blend of several orientals with a really unobtrusive flue cured Virginia.

    It's my go to smoke when I don't want sweet.

    It's my go to when my mouth is fatigued.

    It's my go to when I'm not sure what to go to.

    Under $25 a pound. Put that in your fancy pipe and smoke it...

    Note: Ramback REGULAR is a different creature. Make sure it's Ramback BALKAN.

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  3. peckinpahhombre

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    Temple Bar is a fave of mine

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    Regents Flake
    Sunday Picnic - popped an 7 years old tin recently and it was amazing

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    In the past I’ve enjoyed C&Ds Oriental Silk, Three Friars, GLP Cairo, and a couple others

    Three Friar's doesn't have orientals in it. Or are you just mentioning blends that you've had that dont include Latakia?

    C&D's - Orion's Arrow is good for a Va/Per with the oriental addition.
    Capt. Earl's - Honor Blend as well.

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  6. lazar

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    James Fox Campanile

    Robert Lewis Orcilla Mixture

    Samuel Gawith Sam's Flake

    Savinelli Brunello Flake

    Amphora also has Orientals if you're open to aros.

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  7. glassjapan

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    Another vote for G.L. Pease's Temple Bar and Regents Flake.

    McClelland's Grand Oriental Series...if you can find it without being scalped to death.

    Samuel Gawith's BS Flake (Brown Sugar Flake) only available from the Danish Pipe Shop.

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  8. didache

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    A second for Robt Lewis' Orcilla Mixture. Robert Lewis doesn't do many mixtures, but all are excellent imo, especially their Tree Mixture.

    Mike

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  9. rmpeeps

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    derfargin: Yes, awareif the Three Friars content. I was just mentioning some things in the spice range I like.

    Temple Bar and Regents Flake are on my radar, and I liked Greg’s blends thing I haven’t had anything newer than his first run of Jackknife. It’s been a while....

    glassjapan: I just let my last tin of a Grand Oriental go to a friend. He’s in for an experience.

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    Gave away your last tin of a McClleands blend? Peeps, you should add a halo to your avatar!

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    C&D Bijou, definitely Oriental forward without Latakia or Perique.

    Dot
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    Another vote for Campanile.

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    I just tried G.L. Pease's Temple Bar and Regents Flake - they fit the bill!

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    Temple Bar is exceptional to me.

    So are all of these McClelland's Grand Oriental Series blends -

    Katarini
    Yenidje Supreme
    Yenidje Highlander
    Drama Reserve
    Smyrna
    Classic Samsum
    Yenice Agonya

    Pipestud
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  15. rmpeeps

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    plugugly: Yep. Gave it away. The Grand Orientals are good and I’ve enjoyed them, but it needed a new home. Just a drop.

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    You should also check Peretti offerings such as Tashkent (which they claim it contains only orientals) and Oriental N 40, excellent choices.

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    Might want to check out H&H Sweet and Savory.

    Red and Yellow Virginias, Yenidje, Basma, Dark Fired and a little Perique. It comes on a little bland at first light but develops pretty quickly as you progress. I find mixing a few strands of something like FVF with it helps to give a deeper taste.

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    In this category, my top three are:

    - Robert Lewis "Orcilla Mixture" (a classic, benchmark non-lat oriental)

    - HU Tobacco "Flanagan" (strange name for an oriental, but an outstanding blend, much richer than most non-lat orientals)

    - GL Pease "Cairo" (less rich, but I love the lemony/citrus flavour for a first-of-the-day bowl)

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    I also vote for C&D's Bijou . Love that stuff!

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    For what it’s worth, Temple Bar by Mr. Pease is my favorite in the genre.

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    I like the role of orientals in SPC Deception Pass. Just a great blend in my opinion. I need to try Temple Bar.

    Nate
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    I must admit that I am having a hard time telling the different between a heavy perrique blend (Haddo) and an apparently heavy Oriental blend (Cairo). I like both very much. I currently have a can of each open. The Cairo is from 2002 and the Haddo is from 2009.

    Cairo has a similar light fruity tang as Haddo.
    Haddo seems to skew towards a peppery-plum flavor over top of the Va's. Deeper flavors, more bass notes.
    Cairo is more like a orange-grapefruit salad over top Va's . Mostly high notes, not much bottom end.

    (Sorry I am a cook and a musician so I describe things in odd ways lol )

    Can anyone describe what an oriental should taste like?

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  23. rmpeeps

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    folanator:
    Can anyone describe what an oriental should taste like?

    That would be a cool Thai Iced Tea in the key of E-demolished.

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  24. lazar

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    Can anyone describe what an oriental should taste like?

    Not like Perique, that's for sure. Orientals often have incense-like, slightly floral, herbal flavors. At least they should in my world! McClelland's Orientals did, but I find the ones C&D uses to be cigarette-like, similar to Camels which use Turkish tobacco.

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  25. rmpeeps

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    Thank you for all the great suggestions.
    While I’m not looking to dive headlong back into smoking, I do feel the want to explore some of the orientals.
    Years back I had some of what Craig referred to as an Oriental or Turkish Basma.
    It started rather grassy, but left alone on a jar for about 1.5 years it took on the most luscious floral aspect.
    It was fantastic for blending. That jar was long gone a decade ago. Memories of it drift into my thoughts now and then.

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  26. cortezattic

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    rmpeeps, check out Chapter 3 of Milton Sherman's All About Tobacco , pg. 18

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    as if I could kill time without injuring eternity. -- Thoreau
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  27. rmpeeps

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    Thank you Cortez. Nice read!!

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    Thanks Cortez. I am sitting around delayed while traveling and read the whole book. You saved me much boredom.

    “Most pipe smokers are a very strange breed unto themselves for they are continually seeking a pipe tobacco mixture that is unknown to any other man on Earth. “ page 41.

    So True! And that is from 1970. Before Cellaring became popular/necessary.

    Neal
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  29. folanator

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    Thanks Lazar. I have some aged McC Orientals in the cellar, but haven't walked down that road yet. Have been enjoying getting to know Burleys for the past few months. Just never sat down and tried Orientals to discern the nuance between the variety's.

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    Years back I had some of what Craig referred to as an Oriental or Turkish Basma.
    It started rather grassy, but left alone on a jar for about 1.5 years it took on the most luscious floral aspect.

    Last time I checked, Whole Leaf Tobacco still had Basma Whole Leaf for sale. The owner said when it's gone.. its gone.

    Edit: here's the link. Only 8 pounds left
    https://wholeleaftobacco.com/Turkish-Basma-TRKSHBSM.htm

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    G. L. Pease Embarcadero is pretty good, also subject to Deeming regulations so if you have tried and like that one, might wanna snag some before it possibly disappears

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  32. rmpeeps

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    The Embarcadero sounds rather interesting.
    Thanks.

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  33. jeffro

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    rmpeeps, Currenly I have been smoking John Patton Crossroads. A blend of three varieties of Virginia tobacco Turkish Izmir and just small ammout of cirgar leaf. you might want to try it also. I got mine from "Four-Noggins"

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  34. rmpeeps

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    Thank you all for the great suggestions. I’ve sourced s couple of blends and a couple of straight Oriental leafs.
    Looking forward to some experimentation.

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    Peretti Tashkent is my top Oriental. It does contain Latakia and Oriental only.

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  36. perdurabo

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    GLP Temple Bar and C&D Dreams Of Kadath

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    From time to time I urge my fellow pipe smokers to buy American. In addition to Pease and C+D, we have Std Tobacco of PA; Hearth and Home; Seattle Pipe Club; Wilke, and Kramer, off the top of my head. Tobacco blends every bit as good as any from across the sea, and often better.

    I know that you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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  38. rmpeeps

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    jpmcwjr-
    I agree wholeheartedly. Over the years the largest portions of my buying/smoking were USA houses. McClelland, PCCA, C&D, GLP, and the obligatory British G&H and SG. Sure there are others, but the bulk was in those blending houses.

    What I’ve got coming is Regent Flake, Temple Bar, Embarcadero, some C&D Turkish Ismir, Orcilla Mixture, and a couple of individual Oriental leafs. The majority of these are coming as samples from a very helpful member. While I’m not looking to dive headlong back into the habit, I do appreciate the hobby.
    The differences in Orientals is something I never really explored.
    Looking forward to the next month.

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  39. kola

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    GLP Regents Flake is fantastic. His Temple Bar is the same blend, just in a plug.

    John Patton blends? Here's a guy who smoked nothing but Carter Hall (in nothing but corncobs) for 50 years then joins a pipe forum, plays with some bulk tobacco then out of the blue some folks thinks he's a master blender. Say what ?

    I treat people the way they treat me. It's that simple.
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  40. rmpeeps

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    A big thumbs up the the following:
    dottiewarden & smittyb

    BIJOU from C&D is the stuff!
    First light and yeeeessssss...!
    The red VA with a bit of oriental leaf reminds me a bit of Bob Hamlin’s PCCA Boston 1776.
    Still young, but this has great quality leaf and is going to be a show-stopper down the road.
    Also dug into a sample of Regents Flake. It’s very good, but Bijou tipped the scale a bit better for my tastes.
    Thanks y’all.

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  41. cortezattic

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    A word of caution, peeps: Orcilla has Latakia in it. Whoever recommended that blend either didn't pay much attention to the original post, or their taste buds are defective.

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    Cortez-
    Thanks. It’s not that I dislike Latakia or react unfavorably, I just have more than I’ll rver need.
    Old old Orient Express, Odessa, Tuggle Hall, 965, GLP BS, and a couple F&P. Irwin & Greg sure liked their Lats.

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    O me miserum!, my gustatory apparatus is deemed "defective". Orcilla Mixture is still a great oriental blend, and, to me, the teensy amount of Lat is almost undetectable.

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  44. cortezattic

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    ...to me, the teensy amount of Lat is almost undetectable.

    Quod erat demonstrandum!

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  45. brendhain

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    Try picking up some 1oz bags of straight orientals and then blend up a bowl's worth with some straight Virginia or with Virginia/Perique blends. This way you can find the component orientals that you like and look for blends with the orientals you like!

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  46. rmpeeps

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    Thank you to all those who made blend suggestions, and a Special Thank You to a couple of members who graciously sent samples of some “outstanding” blends.
    I now have a better handle on the available Oriental blends and can safely recommend the following (in no particular order):
    C&D Bijou
    GLP Regents Flake
    GLP Temple Bar
    SG B.S. Flake
    Savinelli Brunello Flake

    Thank you for the help.

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  47. rmpeeps

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    Ooops. I failed to mention the blends previously on my recommended list:
    GLP Cairo
    C&D Oriental Silk

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