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    Hi guys, never stored tobacco before so any advice would be great.

    1. Why take tobacco out of its original tin and store it in jars?
    2. Can I store aromatic tobacco's for long periods of time? (I want to buy say 2kg of Summertime 2012 and store it as it will not be for sale much longer then I can work my way through it)
    3. I have heard that some tobacco tins rust during long term storage, is this common?
    4. Will these jars be ok to store both my Aromatic’s and normal English / VA blends.
    5. How much tobacco will a .25l .5l and 1l jar hold of tobacco? I'm looking to store 50g (1.76oz) per jar, but not sure what size would be best?

    http://www.therange.co.uk/kilner-clear-glass-screw-top-0.5l-preserve-jar//the-range/fcp-product/57218

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    Thats what we call mason jars...theirs nothing wromg with storing it in a mason jar. It creates a tight seal and keeps items fresh. Thats my opinion but i know that you will receive an abundance of helpful info coming soon.

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    Freddy pretty much cut to the chase on this. Good advice.

    (1) Once you open a tin, depending on the blend, as well as the ambient temperature and humidity in your storage location, it stays reasonably fresh for 3-4 weeks on average. If you've got a lot of tins and/or baggies open, and/or you don't think you'll be smoking the contents of the tin/bagge in a month or so, jar it. You can also find that using a humidification device, such as an aluminum disk/coin or HumiCare pack, useful -- you can find these in smoke shops for $1 or less.

    (2) Aromatics as a rule do not fare well during long term storage. They don't "go bad," but because they are topped with flavorings, those flavors will flatten out with time and eventually mellow out to oblivion. That said, many virginia based aromatics are still pretty damn tasty, since the virginias sweeten and improve overall. Aromatics, properly sealed, IMO, keep well for about a year with little discernible degradation.

    (3) Sure, tins can rust. I've received tins from vendors with both external rust and some with internal rust, although this was quite rare. Sealed undamaged tins, stored in a cool, dry, dark cellar should not pose a problem.

    (4) Yes. If you use new jars, they do not have to be washed. If you reuse a jar and it has been used for anything other than tobacco, wash it (including the lid) with dish soap and hot water, or on hot cycle in a dishwasher (I would replace the lid if the jar was used for food, lids are cheap and I don't like pickle flavored tobacco). You can reuse a jar and lid that was used for tobacco -- certain blends, i.e., aromatics, lakelands, certain English blends, can ghost the jar, so keep the same types in the same jars, or simply wash the jar and the lid before refilling it. It's also important to rinse and dry the jar and lid thoroughly after washing.

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    Roth, as always your answer was fantastic, I added in an extra (5.) any change on answering that?
    You top bloke!

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    1. A lot of pipe smokers cellar their tobacco because they are hedging against future price increases (thus have no plans for immediate consumption) or because they desire to age the blend. This additional maturation encourages a general improvement of the tobacco - marrying flavours and allowing additional fermentation processes to take place that round out a blend. In general, latakia softens and burleys mellow and virginias sweeten with time...

    The reason they take the tobacco out of the original tins is because some tins just aren't suited for long term storage because they a) have no seal to begin with b) have lost their seals during the shipping/handling process. A tobacco that is well suited to aging (such as a VA flake) should last indefinitely when stored in a clean mason jar - if left uninterrupted for a period of years, the microbial processes of aging will take place and you will have a "different" tobacco on your hands. Most people agree that an aged blend is better, but there are plenty of exceptions - plus there is no accounting for taste.

    2. Aromatic tobaccos fade fast. Within a year, to my tastes, most of the flavouring is gone - especially if you start out with a subtle aromatic. Cellaring/aging is not really suited for the aromatic smoker IMO. If you buy 2kg of a flavoured blend and leave it for a year or two, you will probably come back to a tasteless pile of leaves. Some people claim positive results with things such as 1Q which tend to last for quite a while, as well as Virginia based tobaccos such as MacBaren Vanilla Cream or Dan Blue Note. Again, the flavours will be much milder as the casing wears off but the increased sweetness of the VAs may make up for it to some degree... Honestly it is a crapshoot, but for my money I would never cellar aromatics on a large scale.

    3. Some tins can rust (so can some jar covers) but I would think that comes from a high humidity environment or a lot of temperature changes that can create condensation over time... Keep a steady temperature and "normal" level of humidity and you should be fine. To err on the side of caution, keep them in a place shielded from sunlight such as a drawer, box, cooler, or closet and do not let them get hot. Cooler is better, but like I said you don't want swings...

    4. Those Kilner jars are identical to what we refer to as Mason or Ball jars in North America. They are ideal for this purpose.

    Props to roth, beat me to it!

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    Regarding #5, 250 ml jars should be your standard if you are jarring one tin at a time.

    You will comfortably fit 50g of loose cut tobacco in there with some space at the top.

    Flakes can be tricky - it all depends on the blend and the shape of the jars. You will probably be able to fit two tins of flakes in a tall 250 ml jar but there could be a few leftovers... Something like coincuts such as Luxury Bullseye Flake or Escudo will easily contain 100g in a 250 ml jar...

    500ml and 1L are serious volumes of tobacco. I would not want to age too many things in jars of that size because of the sheer amount of tobacco you'd have to consume in a short span after opening. If the Kilner jars are not too expensive I would just get many small ones rather than fewer large ones!

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    (5) I use 8 ounce Ball canning jars -- about 1/4 liter, such as these Kilners: http://www.therange.co.uk/kilner-clear-glass-screw-top-0.25l-preserve-jar//the-range/fcp-product/62905

    I actually like the Kilners better because they appear to stack better and appear to have wider mouths than my Ball jars.

    This holds about 3 ounces of tobacco, on average, depending on the blend. I pack it in the jar fairly tight and leave about 1/4 inch (2 cm) of air at the top (this air space is crucial for the microbacterial process to work aging the blend).

    I prefer the 8 ounce/.25L jars over the larger ones because I can age everything and if I choose to open a jar (aged or not), I only have a few ounces and not half a pound or more to deal with.

    I don't like the "bail type" jars because the red rubber rings will dry and crack eventually (after a number of years in the cellar). That sucks when you open a long aged bail top and the tobacco has dried up because the rubber ring deteriorated but was in the cellar for years unnoticed. Not a big deal, though, if you use it for tobacco in your current rotation and replacement rubber rings are inexpensive to replace.

    Any size works, just use what works best for you.

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    Awesome responses, I really appreciate your knowledge as it will save me years of trial and error. Are you all mostly American on this site? It's a shame we can't meet... Maybe one day!

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    Roth, fantastic. Are you from UK did you say?

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    Nope. I live on the Maine coast.

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    I store mine a jar, but then for daily use I have a leather tobacco poach.

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    Well thanks for everyones help you've all been fantastic. I'm going to buy 12 jars and 4 or 5 tins of FVF, Night Cap and Squadron Leader and store them.

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    I'm going to buy 12 jars and 4 or 5 tins of FVF, Night Cap and Squadron Leader and store them.

    Dunno about in UK, but on this side of the pond, most if not all those tobacco blends you mentioned are sold in 250g bags and/or in bulk.

    Maybe even some UK vendors on line have them. If so, it will save you some money over tin prices.

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    When it comes to aging / storing English blends - Squadron Leader and Nightcap, will this just mellow the flavour or will it improve the overall blend?

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    I also have a few questions to add to the discussion if you don't mind:

    Is there any disadvantage to keeping baccy in zip lock bags? I currently have several baccys in 1oz volumes or less. That could get hard to stack with all those little bottles.

    When you store them in Ball jars, do you just screw them closed as you would a jar of pickles, or do you do some kind of sealing as in a canning process?

    How long does the baccy last after it is re-opened?

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    If you plan to smoke the tobacco soon, a few weeks to a month or two, then I find that a ziplock will hold the moisture just fine. But the thin plastic does allow some air in and out of the bag. That is why it is not very accomidating for long term storage.

    The ball jars will have a rubber seal under the lid, so when you screw the cap on it will press against the rubber ring under the lid making an air tight seal. These jars are mostly used for long term storage and aren't frequently opened.

    If you plan to open them once in a while then most people will use the glass jars with the metal clasps for easy access. Preferably with a mouth wide enough to easily fit your hand in.

    And for the last question on whether or not it will last after it is re-opened? Of course it will. Why wouldn't it?

    Here are the jars I use to store pipe tobacco in that I frequently open.

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