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  1. dragonslayer

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    I’m in PA now and not feeling any of the heat yet. But I plan on co-living in HI for a couple years and then retiring there permanently. Right now they have implemented laws that are insane and being enforced. You can’t smoke within 20’ of any structure that has an opening. You can’t sit on your lanai and smoke and many of the beaches are posting non-smoking beach. You can’t be inside your condo which you own that shares a wall with another and smoke, let alone your lanai. They are trying to ban smoking in cars because of other cars around you. But here is the problem… They are going bat shit crazy on enforcing it. Fines for first offense is $100/$50 court, Second $200/$50 and third on $500/$50. If you can even find a smoking room in a hotel, which almost all have gone smoke free. It has to be a whole floor, but you can’t go out on the lanai and smoke. Police are blindly taking the word of others, and issuing these tickets, that you can’t dispute and bench warrants are issued for failure to pay. Funny thing is it doesn’t apply to jails; you can smoke all you want there. Oh and this also goes for medical marijuana, so a cancer patient who really needs this, can grow it but not smoke it.

    How’s your state doing?

    “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests.” Patrick Henry
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    If you live in a condo that shares a wall, how would they know if you smoked inside?

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    Jeez that's insane... California is pretty smoke unfriendly, but nothing like that! At least not yet.. :/

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    How’s your state doing?

    The only state I live in is denial...it's not that bad...

    However my province (I'm a Canuck) has had these laws in place for a few years now; and pretty much everyone I've spoken to, both smokers and non-, agree that they are utterly ridiculous.

    Coincidentally, WorkSafeBC (our version of Compo) has provided maximum safe exposure levels to radiation, asbestos, CO2 and CO, black-mold, and several other extremely toxic substances including viruses and bacteria; however they state that there is 'no safe level of exposure to second hand smoke'...

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    If you live in a condo that shares a wall, how would they know if you smoked inside?

    I'm guessing it depends on how much one smokes, and how drastic one's smoke abatement measures are.

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    If they smell the smoke they just call the cops. No facing your accuser, they knock on the door and if they smell smoke you get the ticket. They don't even have to tell you who complained, and it can be anyone... Even if they don't live there who wants to get you fined. This is even though you don't share common airducts, it's any dwelling with more than 1 unit.
    They fined a friend of mine in the parking lot who lit a cigar before getting into his car. It was within 20' of a groundfloor door, they pulled him over and fined him.
    It's not Aloha for smokers, and I'm really pissed about it. Looking at the Big Island now to see the weather patterns (I need dry constant temp.) and my dreams of Maui and my friends there will be a 20 minute plane ride.
    Craig

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    I smoke out on the patio at my gfs apartment complex. I am just waiting for someone to accuse me of smoking weed or something. I get funny looks, I smile and continue on with my business

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    Smoking dope is PC these days. Our weed is not. Welcome to Nazi Germany.

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    Wow Dragon, are you sure you will be happy there? I bet the scenery is awesome and you know best. I know right before the Superbowl last year they banned smoking in hotels in Indiana and have a 8ft distance from building doors in effect. You can still smoke in some bars in FL as long as their food sales are less than 10% of their income I believe. It seems like HI is taking it to the extreme. Are those laws in effect on all of the islands?

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    I read where some towns in CA and other states have similar laws in effect but they don't seem quite as draconian and the police are not nearly as Gestapo-like as Hawaii in that they issue warnings instead of tickets most of the time.

    I will tell you this, as beautiful as Hawaii is, I know I couldn't put up with such laws and I certainly won't be taking a vacation there.

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    Idaho is fairly conservative and doesn't have too many anti-smoking laws, outside of Boise. I live in beautiful North Idaho. Lots of smokers up here. If they were to pass anti-smoking laws, it would result in a revolution!

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    You know, I lived in New Hampshire for 10 years -- the "Live free or die" state -- and while state anti-smoking laws were resisted for quite a while, even NH eventually passed them (nothing gawd-awful, but the standard laws for restaurants, bars, etc.)

    Here in Maine, in addition to the standard laws, there's no smoking in all State and most city parks and no smoking in cars with passengers under 16.

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    I think I would tell Hawaii to kiss my rusty butt--and look for another place to retire to!

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    Wow that's insane... CA is slowly becoming like that.

    This is why my goal is to have a ranch up in Montana... Just get away from all these idiots.

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    This is why my goal is to have a ranch up in Montana... Just get away from all these idiots.

    Interesting... I have friends who were born, raised and live in Montana. They tell me too many of the "Calies" moving up there come for what Montana promises, but as soon as they settle in, many are determined to change it to "California North" which, they say, is not a good thing.

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    They tell me too many of the "Calies" moving up there come for what Montana promises, but as soon as they settle in, many are determined to change it to "California North" which, they say, is not a good thing.

    Hmm never heard that before, quite honestly i dont know what that means.
    What exactly does Montana promise? And what is a "California North"?

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    I live in WA State and we just passed the Marijuana law. We can't smoke indoors here anywhere except for the Indian reservations. I guess I'm from the old school. If a restaurant wants to allow smoking, and the patrons and workers know people will smoke there, let them decide if they want to frequent that establishment or not. If someone is adamantly against smoking, hallelujah, dont go there. I wonder what freedoms will be left in 100 years from how?

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    Zonomo, I too live in Washington state. There is a place in Bellingham WA called Casa Que Pasa and they were allowing patrons to smoke in there. What they did is they had a tip jar that they put up. All the money from the tip jar would go to pay the fines. They usually got a lot of money in that jar and had to empty multiple times a day. What people appreciated the most was that this establishment allowed people the freedom of choice regardless of what others said. And most of the smokers their were respectful enough to smoke in a section where the smoke didn't reach the rest of the restaurant.

    It would be nice to have some more establishments to have to smoke indoors.

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    bigboi, that's an awesome story. Good on Casa Que Pasa!

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    What exactly does Montana promise? And what is a "California North"?

    No idea whether this is "exactly" correct or not, but my take is it's similar to Greater Bostonians moving to New Hampshire when I was living there. They moved to NH to "escape" the taxes, graft, crime and the way of life they'd grown to dislike in Massachusetts for the better quality of life in New Hampshire. Then, as soon as they moved up, proceeded to try to change it -- "why can't our town (3,000) have its own high school?" "Why isn't my road paved?" "Can't we get the town here to pick up our trash?" Crap like that.

    The "Califorina North" was to put a label on attempts what a thus changed Montana would be like.

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    PA is still cool to some degree on inside smoking for bars. If you meet a ratio of liquor to food sales (I forget what it is) you can fill out a form proving it and receive a “smoking allowed” license. Where my wife is a bartender, they met the requirements and are one of the few in the whole city of Pittsburgh/Monroeville. They have huge smoke eaters that suck up the smoke, you can hardly see the smoke, but you can of course smell it.

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    Boy, this is all so crazy. I can't wait for the day they figure out all this cancer could be caused by the pharmaceutical industry or the petroleum industry. Who knows, maybe they're funding all this anti baloney.

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    And the hole in the ozone is really caused by hairspray cans too!

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    That's it! I'm moving to Italy.

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    Sounds to me as if you Americans - or at least your legislators - have far too much leisure time and have nothing better to do than to concoct ridiculous laws and regulations.
    Here in Asia - and in Europe as well - there are restrictions, to be sure, but nothing like some of the insane extremes mentioned above.
    As for Hawaii: when I have enough money saved to visit there, I'll be sure to pass it up in favor of some other 'paradise.'

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    I think this thread has given me a great idea. If anyone in WA ever hassles me about smoking my pipe, I'm going to to tell them that is dope.

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    Exactly what iv been doing this year haha.

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    I would be glad to trade you all my pipes and stuff for your retirement place on a beach in Hawaii. Yesterday I was looking at 1/4 inch of ice covering everything with 4 inches of wet snow on top of that.

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    Wow! I guess I'm never vacationing in Hawaii. I hope they relax on their attitude by the time you're ready to move there.

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    Screw Hawaii. I'd rather go to the Bahamas anyway.

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    I've spent quite a bit of time in the Mediterranean countries, as my wife's family still lives there. And to a man they can't understand American politics. Why is tobacco so important, while there are a host of other problems that need attention? The answer I get from them is America is unraveling. In Italy where pipe smokers are found on every corner, they just shake their heads. They say Where are the Yanks of Old? Or in American parlance Where's Tom Brokaw's Greatest Generation today? Why can't their kids and grandkids act more like gramps?

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    I wasn't planning to move to Hawaii, but had thought of it. No more. Too many busybodies.

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    I've always been puzzled by the double standard that arises from tobacco and weed smoking. I had a friend in high school that would rant for hours about the 'evils' of tobacco smoke, then sit there and light up a bowl of pot. It's weird how people can reject tobacco so thoroughly and then turn around and "toke".

    Never mind that marijuana smoke has four times the carcinogens that tobacco smoke does.

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    I'm not really surprised about anything. I'll bet a third or more of the guys on pipe boards can't smoke in their own homes.

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    Guess that nixes any vacationing possibilities to Hawaii.

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    Never mind that marijuana smoke has four times the carcinogens that tobacco smoke does.

    Uh, source? Most studies I have seen say the exact opposite, and in many cases, cannabis can actually reduce or reverse the spread of cancer.

    From the National Library of Medicine, National Institutes of Health:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1277837/

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    From: http://adai.uw.edu/marijuana/factsheets/respiratoryeffects.htm

    [when smoking cannabis] there is a prolonged and deeper inhalation and it is smoked to a shorter butt length and at a higher combustion temperature. This results in an approximate five-fold increase in carboxyhaemoglobin concentration, three-fold greater amount of tar inhaled and retention of one third more tar in the respiratory tract.

    I should have been a touch more specific, as in the amount of carcinogens you introduce is heavily effected by the behavior of smoking. Irregardless, you are certainly being exposed to fewer carcinogens via pipe smoking (where one doesn't inhale) versus via toking (where one not only inhales, but holds in the smoke for an extended period).

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    These laws, our federal Govt. both parties are why I bought a lot overlooking Lake Atitaln in Guatemala. I can learn Spanish, I just can't learn to live with ignorance.

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    If i am not mistaken there are still remaining 7 states have no laws prohibiting smoking on public places. But by 2020 they say that every U.S. state will have a smoking ban by 2020. This is apocalypse.

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    What a boring country that will be...

    I still can't get used to the bars without smoking...weird.

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    they may be able to uphold the smoking laws, but not able to do it on word of mouth and pointed fingers. They will need to have proof if they want thigs to stick The ACLU will get involved at some point for someone. Just like they did in Arizona, where they handed out tickets from speed cameras.. that lasted about a year, before it was thrown out, now AZ has all these speed cameras that are nothing but highway ornaments.

    I certainly would have a hard time letting someone tell me what I could do on my own property... you don't want me to smoke in my own home??? come on past that no trespassing sign and stop me...

    "A pipe gives a wise man time to think and a fool something to stick in his mouth." - C.S. Lewis
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