Smoking and 3rd Hand Smoke, Child Abuse and etc.

seldom · Sep 24, 2018

This article about 3rd hand smoke (not a typo, 3rd hand) and whatall is what we are up against. The comments section is interesting. Hint, if you don't have a NY Times subscription you can use the "private browsing" mode on your computer. The Risks to Children From Adults Who Smoke Even if smokers don’t light up in the presence of children, residue on objects can cause harm.

jaytex1969 · Sep 24, 2018

Ludicrous! It's the 4th hand smoke we need to be worried about, found in the flatulence of smokers...

eaglewriter1 · Sep 24, 2018

By that logic every Adult that handles potentialy harmful/carcinogeneic susbtances (being one of them) is a hazard to children and should be legaly required to keep a twenty meter distance.

sablebrush52 · Sep 24, 2018

It may be true. How does it stack up against the effects of living in a sea of hydrocarbons and other pollutants caused by vehicles, factories, and other sources of pollution? What about cow farts!!??

dmcmtk · Sep 24, 2018

NYT, stopped reading it at least 35 years ago...

eggrollpiper · Sep 24, 2018

Sad but true, it's called take home toxins. To deny it is to be truly ignorant. I do think 3rd hand cigarette smoke is way way worse than pipe tobacco and cigars.

It probly does a fraction of the damage living and breathing in a city however it is a reality.

And if your concerned, take a shower, put on clean clothes that don't get exposure to smoke, brush your teeth and most likely there's a negligible amount of toxic residue on you..

Sure it's a bummer and I wouldn't start a thread like this myself, were here for pleasure, not for whatever this is..

brian64 · Sep 24, 2018

Yeah sure...third hand smoke...total asinine BS. Childhood cancer used to be practically non-existent back in the days when everyone smoked. Now smoking rates are far lower than ever before and pediatric cancer has become common place.
Chronic illnesses of all kinds in children have increased dramatically in recent decades...diabetes, cancer, autism, etc...primarily due to toxins in food, water and air, as well as contaminated vaccines...and an epidemic of morbid obesity combined with nutritionally depleted food.
But we need to be concerned about 3rd hand smoke. What a crock of shit.

seldom · Sep 24, 2018

Sure it's a bummer and I wouldn't start a thread like this myself, were here for pleasure, not for whatever this is..

Eggroll, I presume you have taken it upon yourself to write on behalf of everybody but I honestly don't know. "Were here for pleasure" I suppose means "we're" just like "your" probably means "you're" and "probly" may mean "probably". This thread is in the Tobacco Legislation section of the forum. Generally speaking tobacco legislation doesn't fall under the umbrella of pleasure. I believe this article is worthy of attention and discussion. If you don't like it then don't read it.

npod · Sep 24, 2018

This topic is part of an even more concerning 800 pound gorilla. The NIH has funded a massive initiative on tobacco policy. These initial studies are just the beginning. Check out this new exploratory study on tobacco retail patterns. Yes, that’s correct, the government will collect any all details relating to tobacco point of sale in the U.S. This will involve internet purchases of pipe and cigar tobacco as well. Notice the very crucial word here ... “policies”. The goal is to change behavior.
Stanford team will participate in NIH-funded study of tobacco policies. Scientists at Stanford and two other universities have received a five-year, $11.6 million grant to conduct research on policies related to tobacco retail sales.
http://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2018/09/stanford-to-participate-in-nih-study-of-tobacco-policies.html?linkId=57142285

eggrollpiper · Sep 24, 2018

Seldom, I think I misspoke there. I guess by we I meant I and whomever agrees w me. And I didn't realize it was related to a topic category. It wasn't an attack against you, so I'm sorry if seemed that way. Really I thought it would help however misguided.

Anyway I'm on your side, I agree with you 100%. I would think you would take more issue with those in denial and ignorance than me saying I wouldn't start such a thread.

This whole issue is something I've considered for some time.

And Npod, any chance you could back us up on the legitimacy of third hand smoke and take home toxins?

Lastly third hand smoke is an unfortunate name for something real since it sounds like bs, it's not really smoke, it's the debris or residue that precipitates from the smoke..

perdurabo · Sep 24, 2018

Perspective: “There’s lead in those Walmart toys, Kids.”

seacaptain · Sep 24, 2018

It's ironic that the people who want to rid the planet of tobacco are almost always the same people that think anyone should be able to smoke pot if they want to.

pappymac · Sep 24, 2018

I thought the 3rd hand smoke theory was discredited four or five years ago.

perdurabo · Sep 24, 2018

I thought this forum was about “Pipes and Tobacco” not “Anti-Cigarette/HydroCarbon propaganda.”

jpmcwjr · Sep 24, 2018

I am far more concerned with minute droplets of urine and sublimated fecal matter that get flung into the air when the toilet is flushed..
But the subject is serious, more for curtailing our freedoms than risks to children. Gotta listen to George Carlin again.

peckinpahhombre · Sep 24, 2018

What I liked best is that the author of the article says she has no friends who smoke and that she avoids smokers. That to me sounds like reason enough for me to smoke.

mso489 · Sep 24, 2018

With our ongoing flooding problems from Hurricane Florence, and overflowing hog lagoons, industrial poultry houses, and coal ash pits in North Carolina, it is evident that we will have to screen out minors at the border. Like the pipe and tobacco sites, if you're under 18 or 21, click here. Back to Virginia or Tennessee with you. And of course, citizens traveling elsewhere who might have residue on their clothes, it's a no-go for sure.

brian64 · Sep 24, 2018

It's ironic that the people who want to rid the planet of tobacco are almost always the same people that think anyone should be able to smoke pot if they want to.

I'd say that is generally true...but so is the inverse. The power which we grant to the government to criminalize any particular plant/substance/drug is the same power with which they will criminalize tobacco.

seldom · Sep 24, 2018

A Google search of the author reveals that her husband, a long time cigarette smoker, succumbed to lung cancer. I've enough empathy to imagine her anguish.

It may be that pipe smokers are such a small demographic these days that a distinction isn't made between us and cigarette smokers. All of us are smokers. Like anything I believe the concern expressed can be taken too far. Would the author suggest that, say, wildland fire fighters abstain from smoking?

Yes we live in a time when air quality is a serious menace to our health. An easily imagined retort would be that smoking is more easily curtailed.

I fret a bit over where this line of reasoning ends. Smoking a pipe outside on the porch after the children are in bed makes you a child abuser. In this age of helicopter parents I rebel. Not just over the regrettably labeled 3rd hand smoking, but over the conceited belief that allowing your child to have time to explore alone equates to neglect. Had not my parents allowed me time to explore the woods, streams, and fields as a child I would not be the man I am today. There is no end to this line of control freak thinking.

Anyhow, I see that posting this article here has caused some hard feelings but I think that discussion of these issues warrants the butthurt.

seldom · Sep 24, 2018

I'd say that is generally true...but so is the inverse. The power which we grant to the government to criminalize any particular plant/substance/drug is the same power with which they will criminalize tobacco.

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