Serial Killers

vokaa · Oct 14, 2017

Anyone a fan of studying about Serial Killers?
I recently started watching Mindhunter, a show about FBI agents who're trying to create a term for Serial Killers and their psychological behavior. It's really fascinating.
Seeing how the feds are talking to the people and the process they go through just blows my mind, makes me want to do it.

brightleaf · Oct 15, 2017

Be mindful of what you study. Walking deep into dark minds will shape your mind in the same way. When you do it with police training you become smarter in criminal, forensic and tactical procedures as well. Police have the motivation and drive of hunters, except they specialize in hunting people. Given all of these tendencies it would seem you are walking down a slippery slope. All of that said, yes, I have studied these subjects.

bluegrassbrian · Oct 15, 2017

When I had a desk job and I was slacking off, I enjoyed reading the articles on trutv.com's serial killer database.

Coincencentally I watched the doc on HH Holmes on Netflix last night. Fun stuff.

vokaa · Oct 15, 2017

Don't worry, brightleaf! I don't let myself be influenced by their sadistic beings. I'm more interested in why they're like how they are. Whether that be a horrendous upbringing like Charles Manson, or just a psychopathy/sociopathy background. I'm really big in things psychology, has always been a peak interest next to religion.

brightleaf · Oct 15, 2017

When you understand something you gain a sympathy for it. We relate to things through our own experience. If you want a simplified Bad Guy labeling, then studying psychology is going to be a little more deep than you need to go. Many serial killers may actually be created by more powerful, respected people who want their crimes pinned on a patsy. The person in prison may not have hurt a fly (Psycho reference

) Humans can even have new personalities created within them without their knowledge. Dissociative, hypnotically induced assassins may be something you want to look into. Cult leaders and charismatic personalities usually have more training in these areas than you would guess. Crazy, psychotic, and serial killer are labels that these people receive when their usefulness is better served in them becoming a scapegoat.

vokaa · Oct 15, 2017

Just last night I was looking up some of the serial killers which were never caught. One of them caught my eye almost immediately, Charlie Chop-off. I'd love to get behind his head and learn why he did what he did. I'm a fan of learning of previous case psychological issues and then try to use that knowledge to help someone. I've been heavily considering a career in psycho therapy (most likely normal stuff and not the psychopathic side).

brightleaf · Oct 15, 2017

And by the way. Charles Mason didn't kill anyone. Just because he is a convicted Mass Murder doesn't mean the court was ignorant of this fact. They decided to prosecute and convict him for something he didn't do, the truth is, he had deep knowledge of many secrets. Secret associations of the underbelly of L.A., secrets that they didn't want out.

mso489 · Oct 15, 2017

Yeah, I don't exert myself over-much in "understanding" horrific behavior. There are explanations, but they don't justify much less excuse the results. Several of these people have become "famous," or notorious on their deeds. People should work on themselves and only glance at the worst among us as negative examples. I feel sympathy and empathy for the law enforcement and others who have to spend time and effort with and on the cruel and murderous. It must require hard work to stay upbeat and humanly connected. Some of the perpetrators are charming and effective talkers, which gift-wraps their evil-doing. Ugh.

vokaa · Oct 15, 2017

Charles Mason didn't kill anyone.

Wasn't he a mastermind of the Manson Family cult which planned several murders?

brightleaf · Oct 15, 2017

A charismatic mastermind, yes. I wonder where he was trained?

Here is a picture of the logos for two groups of his friends. People he worked with on a regular basis.

And it looks like these friends worked together in this ritual massacre that took place in front of the stage while The Rolling Stones played Friend of the Devil live

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altamont_Free_Concert

mawnansmiff · Oct 15, 2017

I've been a 'people watcher' for most of my adult life and have a deep interest in true crime...specifically serial killers and their mindset.
Now here's a question for you. If a serial killer is declared mentally ill should he be sent to prison or a secure hospital?
Regards,
Jay.

vokaa · Oct 15, 2017

If a serial killer is declared mentally ill

What degree of mentally ill? Are we talking Bi-polar, schizophrenic, psychopathic/sociopathic, multi-personality-disorder?

brightleaf · Oct 15, 2017

I meant "Sympathy for the Devil" all of the bands promoted by mainstream media at this time were working towards the same end, there satanic messages and song titles were so similar, my mistake.

vokaa · Oct 15, 2017

I never really felt a band had "satanic messages", just messages which could be misinterpreted into satanic items.

brightleaf · Oct 15, 2017

How much have you studied Satanism? There are some Crowley fans on here, you may be able to find some sympathetic philosophy on this forum. Satanic and Satanism, even Luciferianism are not necessarily insulting words, they are simply descriptors referring to a philosophy/religion.

warren · Oct 15, 2017

At the National Academy, FBI Academy Quantico, I took classes from one of the agents who developed the "Behavorial Sciences" module. He led the way in profiling serial killers. They didn't really try to get into the minds of such, wasn't necessary, they were profiling, determining the behaviors of such as children and aging. TV is fun but, it's not truth, it's ad sales, audience size.
I won't get into the mundane and arcane, sufficient to say the Bureau can tell you many things which help to identify who a serial killer is, where he lives/lived, what his childhood was like (torturing animals is likely) ietc. It's like psychology, not a science so much as statistical collection and analyses.

aldecaker · Oct 15, 2017

"Now here's a question for you. If a serial killer is declared mentally ill should he be sent to prison or a secure hospital?"
Why, neither, of course. Instead of having their aberrant behavior indulged by society, they should be sent to the death house. People who tend to dawdle overmuch, trying to suss out the rattlesnake's motivations, often wind up bitten.

mayfair70 · Oct 15, 2017

Ritual killing at Altamont? You gotta be F*ing kidding me !! Some dude was methed up and pulled a gun and got stabbed for it. What are you talking about? I'm not trying to be mean, I want to know.
There's a Satanic agenda in mainstream music? Aside from the Satanic Panic of the 1980's (which was clueless moms in a panic over D&D, Ozzy, and nothing), I've no clue what this is about and I've been a musician for almost 40 years. Even Death Metal (the genre, not the forum member) isn't about Satan. I really want to know where your facts come from.
Serial Killers indeed. Cereal killers more like it.
Interesting fact. Our nearest genetic cousin (98%), the chimpanzee, eats monkeys like slim-jims. Just grabs them and gnaws on them still squirming. The question SHOULD be why aren't ALL of us serial killers, munching on our neighbors? As Joe Rogan asked, "If I have a sandwich that is 98% shit and 2% ham, how is that a ham sandwich?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVSJ8kyfMIE

Thread's dead, baby. Thread's dead.

aldecaker · Oct 15, 2017

Snap into a ...oh, never mind! :rofl:

ashdigger · Oct 15, 2017

This thread is all hat and no horse. Exactly why academians are dangerous. Until you've looked into the eyes of death, you're just spouting nonsense.

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