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  1. puffy

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    Nothing on tv tonight so I watched an old Bogart movie..Maltese Falcon..Bogart played a private detective named Sam Spade.The movie was made in 1941.That's the year before I was born.I thought it was a pretty ordinary movie except for a couple of things.Boy has technology changed since then.Cars as well.Now here's the reason for this post Sam (Bogart)was smoking cigars and cigarettes through out the whole movie.Not just any cigarettes.He had a cloth bag with a draw string at the top.He poured tobacco out of the bag onto a rolling paper and rolled his cigarette.I remember seeing folks do that when I was very young.That was over 60 years ago though.The best thing about this movie was that it brought back memories of things past.

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    I have not seen that in years. Some locations in the film were in San Francisco. Love to see old films and pictures of the city.

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    The Maltese Falcon is one of my favorite movies and I did get the opportunity to watch it today as well Puffy.
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    Sorry for the size guys and gals, just wanted to be sure you can see why this is my favorite scene from the Masterpiece...The Maltese Falcon
    I didn't know they made Falcons in Malta...


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    @Puffy: "I thought it was a pretty ordinary movie....?"

    I will most respectfully disagree. It's still one of the landmark works of pulp fiction written by the great Dashiell Hammett, the film was directed by the Academy Award winning director John Huston who also had the pleasure of directing his own Academy Award winning father, Walter Huston, in a scene where the dead bodies don't match the gunshots, the movie had a stellar cast with some of the best polished "tough guy" dialogue ever written this side of pipe smoking Raymond Chandler's "The Big Sleep" and the amazing cinematographer, Arthur Edeson, was the director of photography.

    Puffy, this is classic American cinema from the 30's to 40's and it doesn't get much better than this.

    @Scrapyardape: As much as I love my Fredo Corleone avatar, and fondly remember John Cazale as a superb actor, I am sorely tempted by that wonderful pix you posted to push both of them under the bus.

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    @fnord... as cool as Sam Spade is, Bogey will always be Rick Blaine to me.

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    Digging it, Scrap.

    Great cast, great script, more great cinematography from Arthur Edeson and even better direction from Michael Curtiz - one of the only guys who could ever get a better than decent performance out of Errol Flynn.

    It doesn't get much better than "Casablanca."

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    puffy said:
    "Sam (Bogart)was smoking cigars and cigarettes through out the whole movie.
    Not just any cigarettes. He had a cloth bag with a draw string at the top. He
    poured tobacco out of the bag onto a rolling paper and rolled his cigarette."

    One summer during my college days, I worked for the Forest Service and was helping to fight a forest fire in the Sawtooth National Forest in central Idaho. One guy, a man of about 50, on the crew had only one arm, but that didn't prevent him from rolling his own smokes ... most amazing thing I ever saw. Can't tell you how many times I tried to do that, but I couldn't have done half as well if I'd had three hands ...

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    @fnord, whatta ya got against Errol?Lol! I kinda liked him!

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    Classic flick.

    "It's the stuff that dreams are made of."

    Thought in the early morning, solace in time of woes,
    Peace in the hush of the twilight, balm ere my eyelids close
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    "I hope they don't hang you, precious, by that sweet neck. Yes, angel, I'm gonna send you over. The chances are you'll get off with life. That means if you're a good girl, you'll be out in 20 years. I'll be waiting for you. If they hang you, I'll always remember you." Classic.

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    TMF is just a wonderful film. So many great actors and such wonderful dialogue. Sadly it is the only Sam Spade story that Dashiell Hammett wrote.

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    The Maltese Falcon and Casablanca are in my video library. Great movies, I always enjoy them.

    On the other hand, Errol Flynn was a known Nazi sympathizer, and had questionable "relations" with very young girls. I can't stomach the guy.

    My dad rolled his own. I was always fascinated when he would do it.

    Lawrence, loved the picture.

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    Saw it last night again. While I'm typing this "Sam Spade, Detective" with Howard Duff is on my Sirius radio. Love those old movies and radio shows.

    Blowin' smoke since 1970.
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    @Petes03: I enjoy Flynn as well, but like Plateauguy pointed out, he certainly had less than admirable traits. He was also a really handsome guy with a limited range as an actor but he made out just fine with that million dollar smile. Flynn was a hambone actor yet he was perfect for those Sabatini like characters he was put on this earth to play.

    Errol Flynn was a creep.

    @Lawrence: Thank you for The Maltese Falcon still. It's a beautiful picture.

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    They're estimating that the Maltese Falcon statuette on auction at Bonhams on Monday will go for $1M+

    It weighs 45lbs!
    http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/21427/lot/225/

    The other known example sold for $398,500 in 1994,
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Conrad-Maltese-Falcon.jpg

    I've always loved the 1937 Dead End
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0028773/

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    Very good Movie

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    I read the book before seeing the movie. I'm not sure which I preferred. Probably the book, because I usually do.

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    Bogart was truly one of the film greats. I just saw "the African Queen" last week, and it's cinema at its very best.

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    Sadly it is the only Sam Spade story that Dashiell Hammett wrote.

    Nope, there's some shorts,too. I've got an ancient hardcover called The Adventures of Sam Spade, published by Tower Books in 1945. There are 3 Sam Spade stories: "Too Many Have Lived", "They Can Only Hang You Once", and "A Man Called Spade".
    He wrote a lot more about the Continental Op, though.

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    I am a huge Bogart fan. All the ones you mention are great. My favourite of his is The Treasure of the Sierra Madre.

    If you want to see three underrated Bogie gems, watch High Sierra, The Two Mrs. Carrolls and In A Lonely Place. Brilliant films.

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    My favourite of his is The Treasure of the Sierra Madre.

    Same here. If I had to pick one, it'd be that one.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqomZQMZQCQ

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    My favourite of his is The Treasure of the Sierra Madre.

    I guess I'm going to have to give that one another shot.
    It's never been one of my favorites...
    Of course; it's been years since I have seen it...
    Just seems (pardon the pun) out of character.

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    A great review here by the late Roger Ebert

    http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/great-movie-the-treasure-of-the-sierra-madre-1948

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    Peck:

    I love "The Treasure of the Sierra Madre" and want to point out that the Norte Americano Dobbs keeps hustling in the square is the movie's director, John Huston in a great cameo.

    "Sierra Madre" is another favorite but I have very little to no memory of "The Two Mrs. Carrolls" and "In A Lonely Place." I know I've seen them but, after your post, I know I need to watch them again. The former reminded me of "A Place in the Sun" which, after 40 years, still bothers me to this day.

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    You can obtain your very own piece of "the stuff dreams are made of" without paying a million bucks!

    http://www.hauntedstudios.com/products.php?cat=42

    The bird looks like an exact replica from the movie. I really need a falcon for my mantle!

    Love the movie, one of my favorites. Not too shabby for Huston and Greenstreet's first films.

    No affiliation with the site, just thought it was cool.

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    Rolling your own is still extremely common in the UK Especially among younger smokers. I too roll my own though trying to cut it out and having some degree of success.

    The main reason I suspect it is so popular is the frankly rude price of tobacco and ready rolled cigarettes here. A pack of 20 here is about the £9 mark which at current exchange rates $15 a pack. I would say half the smokers I know roll their own. Most are under 30 years old.

    Also, although there are many options in the way of rolling tobacco the two brands that are almost exclusively used are Amber Leaf and Golden Virginia.

    I do not really mean to dig up such an old thread but was intrigued that someone was surprised to see this as it is uncommon where they come from.

    Is rolling your own so uncommon these days across the pond?. I have not been to the states for over 10 years now but come to think of it I never saw anyone do it while I was there.

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    ...and had questionable "relations" with very young girls.

    Hence, the origin of the phrase, "In like Flynn."

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    Sam did smoke roll-ups in the book, Hollywood was faithful there. But the book also states that Sam "looked like a blond Satan".

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    Bogie was just the best.

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    "While I'm typing this "Sam Spade, Detective" with Howard Duff is on my Sirius radio".

    The Howard Duff run of Sam Spade is one of the greatest remnants of OTR. I only wish more of the shows had survived. Duff was a very different Spade from Bogart, with much more of a sense of humor. But both men are absolutely brilliant.

    As for the movie, I'm with the herd. It's an all-time classic, and I can watch it almost endlessly.

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    Funny this post should pop up again.

    After watching the Maltese Falcon for the 30th time and telling my wife (for the 30th time) I would love to get a striker lighter like Sam had on his desk - she gave a big sigh, went into the closet and came out with this little jewel - it's my Father's Day Gift, but needs to be restored.

    She also had bought a Parker Art Deco Fan Dancer Lighter. Both are for my smoking room that we're working on.

    For Christmas she had my 1942 Western Electric Telephone restored to orignal but modern day working order. The grand-daughters love it now that they realize it isn't portable.

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    Lawrence, great post, I watched the Falcon last week and I noticed the humidor & pipes. I even thought about posting about it. Did you notice in a later scene that the humidor has moved across the room?

    There is a plague in the alley near Bruit & Bush Street in San Francisco marking the site where Brigid O'Shaughnessy gunned down Miles Archer.

    Fnord, couldn't agree more with your comments about The Maltese Falcon and Casablanca. There are none cooler than Bogart. Everything a boy needs to know about being a man can be learned from Rick and Sam ! I love all the noir guys and especially the women but Bogart is the best.

    Have you ever seen them on the big screen?

    Plateauguy, that lighter is fantastic! you've got a good woman there!

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    [quote] Sadly it is the only Sam Spade story that Dashiell Hammett wrote.

    Sam Spade is cool and I loved the book, but Nick Charles is extremely entertaining and I believe that "The Thin Man" allowed a little more in character development. If only Huston could have directed that movie.

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    There's a picture floating around here of Bogie with a pipe.

    Big fan of his. I have the box set. 22 Films or something. Looks like I know what I'm doing tonight...

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    I love that this thread has been resuscitated!

    Jazz - if you're still around: When I made my 2nd schoolboy jaunt through Europe in the late 70's my duty free cartons of Benson & Hedges played out in Amsterdam. I very quickly became adept at hand rolling Samson and Drum loose shag tobacco: a trait my Half & Half smoking grandfather would've approved. I smoked them for six months before I ended up in Argentina - but that's another post in and of itself.

    Carlomarx - my fellow jarhead dad: Bogie, the Duke, Gary Cooper, Jimmy Stewart and Gregory Peck brought a lot to the table. They helped form me, and hopefully my twin sons as well.

    Edgreen: I love the Nick and Nora series of film: Hammett was a recovering alcoholic who wrote the Charles couple with tongue planted firmly in cheek. It must have provided a vicarious pleasure the way those two sluiced down adult beverages.

    Collinj: I'd love to borrow that 22 movie set from you.

    Fnord

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    Useless fact for you guys! The tobacco Sam Spade was supposedly smoking was Bull Durham which came in the those little cloth sacks and was sold under the slogan 'Save your roll. Roll your own'. I have been told the tobacco was very fine cut to make hand rolling very easy. I just thought I would check in from the UK and say Hi!

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    African Queen.. the scene where he climbs back in the boat covered with leaches and once they get them all off the look on his face when he decides he has to go back in the water is priceless.

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    If by chance there are any Bogie fans who have not seen Eastwood’s White Hunter Black Heart, you’d probably enjoy it. One of his most underrated films, imo...centered around the making of The African Queen. Clint’s character is based on John Huston.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzbaxXTaYKw

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    I love that photo of the pipe rack I have one just like it. I bought it in an old antique store.

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    Just passing the time watching Bogey last night, and decided to do a little research concerning a question that I always had about Maltese Falcon.

    condorlover1 writes:

    Useless fact for you guys! The tobacco Sam Spade was supposedly smoking was Bull Durham...

    Although trivial, it wasn't useless. It was exactly what I was looking for. Thank you.

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    I have smoked bull duram which came in a cotton drawstrung bag with no glue papers. I recall it was a rather dry flake.

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