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"Rugger Buggers" Declare Yourselves! Please?

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  1. flakyjakey

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    Before language-sensitive members start diving for their keypads, "Rugger Buggers" is an affectionate term in the UK for people of the Rugby Union Fraternity/Sorority.

    I note that the beginning of the much-lauded hunting season seems to coincide with the new Rugby season in the Northern hemisphere (notwithstanding the impotence of this ancient sport in Australia and NZ!).

    Rugby Union is played by women as well as by men. No weapons are permitted, and unlike grid-iron football (which derived from rugby), no body armour or helmets are worn.

    What has this to do with our forum? Well, I suspect that there may be a number (in addition to reborn and me) of ex-rugby players who are pipe smokers. There may even be current players who are pipers. And of crucial importance to all rugger buggers, the world over, the legendary Willie John McBride, of Ulster, Ireland and captain of a victorious British Lions Tour hated training, but loved his pipe!!

    I know that Canada has an excellent national team and that the USA is definitely on the way up. So, if you are a rugby player, or ex-player, let us know.

    I hope the number is greater than that of the "lady pipers", but who knows? Maybe we can exchange heavily-expurgated tales, and even censored rugby songs!! LOL

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    I never played, but my father transported me around both the Rugby fields and bars afterwards in my playpen. As I got older I remember playing with the other kids in the bar as our dad's and "rugger huggers" (which is what they called the ladies iirc) sang bawdy songs and ate beer glasses.

    I learned quite a few songs which I used to softly sing (along with Army cadences) to my kid's when they were babies and wouldn't sleep at 2AM. I seem to remember people taping their ears too. Sorry. Your post just brought back some old memories.

    My old man and I have taken in a few University of Notre Dame rugby games and he's a booster now for the local high school team. He misses it everyday.

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    I played Prop and Lock in College and when I was in the Navy. Good times.

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    I am the captain of my soul."
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    "Hello.

    My name is Pat.

    I'm an ex-rugby player."

    I grew up, and live, in Canada. I married a South African woman; whose family all resides in New Zealand. At least my enjoyment of rugby means that I don't have to have cricket inflicted on me... matches last for how many days?

    -- Pat

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    Thanks for replying gents. Counting reborn, who has not yet owned up, that's four so far - perhaps we could aim for a seven-a-side team at least? I was a hooker (as many jokes, insults, as you like, please!!) and played for my school, Musselburgh in Scotland and London Irish, and still have the lumps on my ribs where they have been broken in scrums past (scrummages if you are posh, never 'scrimmages'!!). My daughter played at high school and my son was potentially a top player before he had to give up when he became an international swimmer (he even swam against Phelps once in the 'US Open' - dad was proud!)

    What I miss most is the camaraderie, especially the apres-rugby antics. No matter how competitive and brutal the match we ALWAYS joined the opposing team in the clubhouse and bought them a couple of jugs of ale (tell me about any other confrontational sport were that happens); any animosity ceased as soon as the final whistle blew.

    It was devoid of political correctness, but on the other hand the 'sexism', apparent 'homophobia' and 'coarse language' was all tongue-in-cheek and light-hearted. There was a lot of 'piss taking', but if you took the piss out of someone you had to be prepared for the 'reverse piss take' which was usually funnier than the original and an art form in and of itself. Any faux-sensitive 'noob' was exposed within minutes LOL IMO, we could do with a bit less 'faux-sensitive pc attitude' and more light-heartedness on this site.

    @jah76, where are you from? I would love to have a few pints with your dad!! Eating beer glasses? Yes, I've seen it done, but never tried it myself. "Bawdy songs"? Absolutely - in the clubhouse and the bus on the way home. "Rugger Huggers"? LOL I've not heard that one. They would have needed very long arms to hug me and the other 'fat boys' of the front row!!

    @dread, great to hear that. I must confess that from your pics onsite I thought you would not be out of place in the scrum! LOL As a hooker, my best friends were the props - they looked after me. When I played for London Irish my 'loose-head' prop was an ex-Ireland international - "how low do you want it?" he would ask me, and that was how it would be!!

    @pat, that's great! What position did you play? Any stories from the Canook rugger buggers? Canada Has a pretty good team, always good to watch. I won't mention cricket again if you are one of the very rare sensitive types of rugger buggers, but since you ask - five days for a test match but there are also one-day matches, evening matches and '20 -20' matches which are drawing in crowds in their millions over on the sub-continent.

    COME IN NUMBER NINE (the shirt number for a rugger scrum half) - the position reborn used to play. For the mildly interested, but uninitiated, the scrum half is the member of the 'backs' (aka 'girls') who sticks the ball into the scrum (aka 'fatties') where I on a good day would hook it back through our scrum for him to pick up and pass to the rest of the girls.

    So, I'm going to give you one verse of the least bawdy rugby song I know. It concerns scrum halves of uncertain sexual proclivities. If reborn does not 'come out' (as an-ex rugby player, that is lol) within 24 hrs I will add another verse etc etc and then be BANNED!!

    Here goes:

    "If I were the marrying kind, and thank the Lord I'm not, Sir,

    The kind of man that I would wed would be a..

    Rugger scrum half! Oh...

    He'd stick it in, I'd stick it in....We'd stick it in together!

    We'd be alright, in the middle of the night,

    Sticking it in together!

    Puerile? Certainly. Not exactly hobbit songs in the 'Prancing Pony', but they used to be amusing, to us at least, after eight pints or so LOL

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    Ha, I'm not sure we'll be able to field a sevens team Flaky. I don't think we have any backs yet, as I also played prop and lock.

    I think I'll save the singin', until such a time as we can hoist a pint, pack a bowl, and sing a round together.

    Happy Sunday, Flaky.

    -- Pat

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    @pruss, I am similarly resigned, but we do have a scrum half in reborn!

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    I don't know about you Flaky, but the backs I knew were always troublesome. Fast, and smallish, chatty fellows that always stirred the pot, and then hid behind us big guys when their mouth got us all into trouble. That ring true for you too?

    -- Pat

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    As a former wing and sometimes full back I couldn't help but laugh at that last statement. Yes I was smallish but I was very fast and sometimes even faster with my mouth, but that's why it's a team sport; I never saw any of you guys being thrown to toss back a line out. Oh well probably the most fun I had playing any sports growing up. I played in high school and for a year on a team in the Marines until deployments really ramped up. There are some club teams hear in St. Louis, but I'm just not that fast any more even if I've still got a good boot. I'm trying to get my step daughter into it; she likes to watch and the women's teams really impress me and it's something I could teach her which is always nice. Take care and happy smoking.

    Smoke your pipe and be silent; there's only wind and smoke in the world. - Irish Proverb
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    @teufelhund, fantastic! We almost have a sevens side - two props, a hooker (ie the three-man scrum) a scrum half (when he declares himself) and a nearly-lightning-fast winger. Just need a couple more 'girls' now !! LOL

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    Hey all, I played Second Row and Flanker for the College of the Holy Cross in New England and loved every second of it.

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    @lincolnsbark, we are starting to look pretty bloody good in the scrum - we now have a flanker!! LOL

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    Yes, I was a number 9 - scrum half. The most important position on the team

    The scrum half is the link between the forwards (fatties who do all the grunting) and the backs (ladies that do all the scoring!). It is the opposite of soccer where the forwards normally do the scoring.

    They are also usually the smallest player on the team both in terms of height and weight. It is true that they often rely on the protection of their fatties, from the fatties of the opposing team.

    Unfortunately health issues when I was 16 took me from this wonderful sport. Most of my adult enjoyment of rugby has been from the sidelines, with a few good friends who played in the professional game. I can sympathise with tuef when he explains the lineout lift. Having experienced this from a friend who was an Ireland international and 2 times British and Irish Lion. Having returned from his final Lion's tour in Australia in 2001, we headed for a holiday to the Greek Island of Rhodes. He was 6'7" tall and 17 stone (one of the fatties) and played as a lock forward. Both he and another friend who was an international flanker decided to give me a lineout lift during an all night beach rave! When you are only 5'8" tall and weigh a measly 11.5 stone you certainly see the world from a different perspective

    Alan
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    @reborn, at least you've come out of the closet on this one, if not your pipe shoulder bag! We are now approaching a team!! Just need a couple more 'girls' (like you - no offence intended, none taken I'm sure !!) LOL

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    Australian, Queenslander and love my REDS. Played lock badly for a short time and was then given the position of 'left right out'. Have the Boks vs Wallabies game in Bloemfontein on constant 2 or 3 month cycle here at home. Although the Wallabies are playing like 16 year old girl guides at the moment I'm hoping Ewan can bring them back into class.

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    Maybe this guy smokes a pipe and would like to sign up for the backs.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA5bwqVN5LM

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    @auslander, you are IN. Some of my best mates are Aussies, even if they are League players! Hard men, very hard! Love the Wallabies - top team, not at their best at the moment. But it will come - it always does!! Won't mention the cricket, as promised!! LOL

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    Glad to be in the team, now I should mention that when I get tackled I have a tendency to curl into the foetal position and sob. So fore warned is fore armed, where do you want me?

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    I used to prefer watching Jonah Lomu running through the defenders rather than around them

    I don't think that guy would adapt very well to a full 15 man game.

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    Probably not. If he'd started earlier he'd make a great back but the learning curve would more than likely be too steep for him now.

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    I've never been fast enough or competitive enough for rugby but I have a cousin that is pretty famous in European League Rugby so I've followed it most of my life and have played recreationally with him and his mates sometimes.

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    I thought I'd re-activate his thread to tie it up, but actually I have two announcements:

    1. Of greater importance, we do actually have a seven-a-side team:

    The forwards (aka 'fatties')
    - Prop, pruss
    - Hooker, Flakyjakey (I used to be a very aggressive front-rower but my doctors say I'm better adjusted now!)
    - Prop, dread (and from the pics he looks a fearsome one)

    The backs (aka 'girls)
    - Scrum half, rebornbriar
    - Lincolnsbark (he used to be a flanker, so he should be/have been pretty quick)
    - Auslander (I know he used to be a forward, but only girls sob !! LOL)
    - Utility winger/fullback, teufelhund

    Manager/choirmaster - jah76
    Legal advisor - Peck
    Sponsor - Kevin

    I reckon we could beat any other side, as long as the average age of its players is 80+ LOL

    2. Of much less importance England play Australia in the first of the 'Autumn Internationals' in five hours time. It will be on 'Sky', or its equivalent, so even if you have never played maybe you should look in or stream it - it promises to be a fiercely contested match.

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    I wonder if a Google Translation would work?

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    Played in Northumberland when I lived there and then again when I lived out in BC. Trained with Cowichan Piggies, who have had a number of players go on to the Canadian National team. Loved playing. Used to play scrum half but then found I was much better as a winger. Wish I hadn't got fat and lazy.

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    @alex, England 23 Australia 13!!!!!!

    PS What team in Northumberland? PM forums may need to start thinking about a 15-man team !! LOL

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    Ironically I was reading this while wearing my Ulster Rugby top. I played in high school actually left football for Rugby. Played for Appleby College as a hooker. For those non rugby players I did not put out for money! Lol. Tried to get a Rugby Union together where I live now but haven't found enough guys yet. My 16 son now plays for the high school team.

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    @piper, It's great that you are keeping it going through your family and that you wear the Ulster shirt with pride!

    You might be interested to know that rebornbriar lives in Ulster and that my dad was born and bred in Belfast. I used to play hooker for London Irish RUFC and my brother played hooker for Sale RUFC, with the legendary Fran Cotton as his prop!!!. The 'front row union' is a special union indeed !! LOL

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    SUFTUM!!!

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    @reborn, Qu'est-ce que c'est SUFTUM? shouldn't it be "STUFTUM" as in England vs the Aussies today???

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    Click the link - SUFTUM

    Ireland play the Aussies in a couple of weeks. Hope for a similar result. Just checked Ulster v Edinburgh at Ravenhill on Friday night and Edinburgh v Ulster on weekend 21 March. Could that be a weekend trip?

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    @alan, thanks I didn't know that, I always have and always will.

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    I love to watch it... Never played...
    From what I understand; it takes leather balls to play Rugby.

    I catch the Rugby Sevens whenever I can.


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    coming from new zealand, of course i played rugby, i played lock as a teenager, but gave up after a couple of years since after a saturday morning of being bashed around i would be too sore to surf on sunday. The team did not lose a great player when i left ha.
    That was my last attempt at a string of team sports, after which i admitted to myself that i just was not competitive enough to care about the scoreboard.

    I don't really care if the cup is half full or half empty, I just want something to sip on.
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    @reborn, yesterday the Aussies were, as you would expect, very dangerous on the attack and their lineouts were good. However they were slower at the breakdown than they used to be and their scrum is still suspect. I think the Ireland game is a close call, but if Ireland go for them them up front (it's the fatties that win the game and the girls that determine by how many points! lol) and get reasonable ball I think/hope they will win. England were nowhere near their best, they have some good young players (especially the new No 8), but they still beat the Aussies.

    @Laurence, you certainly do and they get kicked out of shape worryingly easily!! LOL

    @mortonbriar, sadly surfing was not an alternative at London Irish RUFC since our pitches were located at Sunbury-on-Thames. Ha ha

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    When I was in the Marine Corps we had a few intramural teams and I played prop and wing. We won our intramural league and then played the base team in a "friendly" and got mauled by the guys who really knew what they were doing. I remember getting a thigh that looked like it may have been attached to Herschel Walker or Bo Jackson right in the jaw when trying to make a tackle. The good Lt came back after scoring to see if I still knew where I was. After an ice cold adult beverage I got back in a got trampled a few more times. At 6'1" and 210 at the time I wasn't the smallest guy out there but those base players were all former college players and knew what they were doing.

    I try to grab as many games as possible when on TV.

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    @yazamitaz, that's great - PM forums is heading from seven-a-side to a full team. We seem to have enough 'fatties' so you will have to be winger; it's usually safer there!! LOL

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    Awesome guys sounds like now we just need to find a pitch thats local to us all. Based on current geography I'm thinking somewhere in Maine lol. If we practice once per year subtracting time to sample new tobacco and old whiskey we should be acceptable ruggers in ohhhh I'd say 63 years! Maybe a wheel chair league is in order. My kid is better than I ever was so that might make me a score keeper. Not good looking enough to be a ref.

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    @flakey Alan and I have been catching up course would be better if we could all get together over a pint of the black. Going home next summer in July for a couple weeks. It's nice to know i'm not the only pipe smoker left with NI blood!

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