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Robert Mcconnell Heritage/Dunhill blends

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    Are these just match blends or something else?

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    Well, isn't that interesting. It seems MSO may be correct in his prediction. Can't wait to see what's actually going on here.

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    Mmmmm... The Appetizer

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    Sweet....

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    Royal Island!

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    Well isn’t that cool!

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    Some of these names are flat-out hilarious. Deciphering the original blend names from match blends is a highlight of the hobby for me.

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    My Mixture 999.

    Night club.

    Sorry, I probably won't be trying these even if they were 100% the same.

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    Hilarious indeed but good news for fans of Dunhill blends.

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    I'll try 'em.

    Rob McConnell (K&K) makes several fine blends, be they original recipes or not.

    I'm glad to see the Heritage Series.

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    That's what my original post was meant to ask - are these the original recipes that have been bought and reintroduced? Or are they match blends that have been around awhile?

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    That’s exciting. I’ll be trying one or two of them for sure

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    3 Year Matured has officially been bumped up to 5 Year Matured! lol

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    But like all your friends it is vilified
    They always say, the right amount's fine
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    The rumor was that either STG or K&K would lease the rights to produce the blends under another name. Looks like K&K "won" out. I'm guessing that Asia is the principle market for this stuff, otherwise it would make little business sense to do this. Don't be surprised if they taste different, even if the "recipes" are followed. Different plant, different tobacco sources, different everything. On the other hand, K&K is a quality producer, they'll do their best to adapt the recipes to keep the flavor as close as possible to the current iteration, so aficionados lucked out on who is producing them. Maybe they will make it to the US for a short visit before going away on 8/8/21.

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    Yeah I was thinking that even if they arent perfect matches they'll still be very good.
    K&K does some great tobaccos.

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    Majesty Elizabeth.

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    So you say you can drink? Well, I'm from Wisconsin. Try to keep up.
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    Yeah I was thinking that even if they arent perfect matches they'll still be very good.
    K&K does some great tobaccos.

    Yes they will. And the current ersatz versions aren't what the originals were. It's basically a brand name. Only now there won't be a brand name to go with the ersatz blends. But clearly they needed to remind smokers of the brand associated with these blends by making references to the currently disappearing ersatz blends.

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    What is My Mixture Barking Road?

    I'm guessing it's Baker Street.
    http://www.tobaccoreviews.com/blend/10815/dunhill-my-mixture-221b-baker-street-re-release

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    Ooh wow already. IDK I think considering how many Dunhill specials there were recently on the major sites, I was thinking the distributors knew something was right down the pike - it didn't make sense to put Dunhill blends on sale. They were going to sell anyway.

    Don't be surprised if they taste different, even if the "recipes" are followed. Different plant, different tobacco sources, different everything. On the other hand, K&K is a quality producer, they'll do their best to adapt the recipes to keep the flavor as close as possible to the current iteration, so aficionados lucked out on who is producing them. Maybe they will make it to the US for a short visit before going away on 8/8/21.

    This. To follow, K&K is easily one of my favorite producers. It's probably more productive to hope that the match is something you actually enjoy more than it is to hope the match is an exact match. Oddly enough, hoping it's better might be less disappointing. A lot of ways for a blend to be good; much less margin for error to be a reproduction.

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    Who knows, even if these blends aren't the same, they may even be better than the originals. Recall that Klondike Gold was Reiner Will's interpretation of Dunhill Flake, and in my view it was much better than Dunhill Flake. Fingers Crossed.

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    Seems like somewere between match blends and replicas? IDK. The proof will probably be, yet again, in the pudding as they say.

    Will give a few of them a try, though I must say the tin art is a step down from the originals.

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    "Who knows, even if these blends aren't the same, they may even be better than the originals. Recall that Klondike Gold was Reiner Will's interpretation of Dunhill Flake, and in my view it was much better than Dunhill Flake. Fingers Crossed."

    Wasn't that whole Brigham Legends series essentially a Dunhill-esque offering, with a very Nightcappish heavy lat/per blend, and a va/per etc all done very much in the Murray's sort of tradition?

    I don't prefer Klondike to the recent Dunhill Flake, but it certainly was good.

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    Exactly Sasquatch. I admit I am a Klondike Gold whore. Love the stuff.

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    Not really looking forward to the Henry the 8th Mixture.

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    Are these blends distributed in the US?

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    Are these blends distributed in the US?

    Probably Kowloon, along with the freshly minted Bo Nordhs.

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    "Royal Island" sound like a sandwich spread.

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    Early bird

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    I can’t wait until they start copying the Standard Tobacco blends.

    “Robert Rayon’s No. 7”
    “Armed Conflict Mule”
    “Beagle Slices”

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    I'm not getting my hopes up. Even if they come to the American market, Im guessing they'll be somewhat hard to stock up on. That's ok though. Better than nothing. Waiting to hear some official news.

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    I didn't find Dunhill blends of the past few years to be much like my first few years with them. Not that I didn't find a favorite or two in the mix. Some blends went south, some improved. Changes in leaf properties possibly. I suspect most of the change was attributable to my palate or, lack there of.

    One tin of BB1938 and that's the last of Dunhill blends for me.

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    I doubt that those blends will reach the US. They would have to either prove that the blends are substantially equivalent to the current Dunhill offerings, or submit them for testing for the FDA. The cost to do that for all those blends would be ridiculous. Besides that, if Rattray's is any indication, they may not be able to meet demand.

    Russ

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    I’m biding my time to trade my Royal Yacht straight up for some McClelland 40 th Anniversary.

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    Thank you, Russ.

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    While that is seemingly unfortunate news, Russ, thank you for sharing the information. Better than pure speculation.

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    "Night Club" What an anti-climactic end for the highly-respected granddaddy of latakia bombs!

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    Feller on another forum has a "source" that is telling him that these new Robert McConnell heritage Dunhill... things.. are actually being manufactured by STG and then sent to K&K.

    Anyone have any info on this? If it were the case, then deeming shouldn't be an issue. Sounds like wishful thinking and it's the first I've heard of it.

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    We don't sell Duff here....

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    If it were the case, then deeming shouldn't be an issue.

    Why wouldn't the deeming rules be an issue?

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    Why wouldn't the deeming rules be an issue?

    Because they're already being made by STG. If STG is sending them to K&K, then the recipes would remain the same as they are in the most recent production.

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    I see. But I had understood that the Dunhill blends were already offside because they hadn't been sold continuously in the US since 2007. Moreover, unless something has changed in the rules, a name change means it is considered a new blend. Our resident FDA experts I am sure will comment.

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    I see. But I had understood that the Dunhill blends were already offside because they hadn't been sold continuously in the US since 2007. Moreover, unless something has changed in the rules, a name change means it is considered a new blend.

    I think a name change has considerably less financial implication than introducing a whole new blend. I could be off base. The whole FDA thing has been so convoluted since the beginning.

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    Feller on another forum has a "source" that is telling him that these new Robert McConnell heritage Dunhill... things.. are actually being manufactured by STG and then sent to K&K.

    Anyone have any info on this? If it were the case, then deeming shouldn't be an issue. Sounds like wishful thinking and it's the first I've heard of it.

    A fellow on another forum had as "source" on YouTube who insisted he had evidence that K&K had been making the Dunhill blends, not STG. I replied that unless K&K had an operation in Denmark, which is where the label on the tin of Royal Yacht I was looking at says the blend was produced, it was unlikely.

    In point of fact, the Dunhill blends were always produced on huge mother ships orbiting the Earth, with production overseen by Elvis, using secret processes involving consenting sheep and an aardvark. But, the ships were taken out in an alien attack, and Alfred Dunhill's simulacrum decided it was not worth the effort to replace them.

    So now the blends are produced by K&K under wonderfully creative new names. Different plant, different tobaccos, different staff. The blends will probably vary in flavor from the STG version, which varied in flavor from the Murray's version, which varied in flavor from the Dunhill product.

    The Dunhill blends were not eligible for grandfathering because they had been removed from the US market for a couple of years. These blends could enter the US market if they first go through either the SE or Deeming process. It's doubtful, though not impossible, that K&K is going to do that since there are other markets for these blends.

    There is this geographic area called Asia. And in this geographic area called Asia there is a Country called China where people are mad for pipes and tobaccos. It's a growing market, unlike the US.

    I suppose you could order them from a EU based tobacconist, much like ordering HU, which isn't distributed here.

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    So now the blends are produced by K&K under wonderfully creative new names. Different plant, different tobaccos, different staff. The blends will probably vary in flavor from the STG version, which varied in flavor from the Murray's version, which varied in flavor from the Dunhill product.

    All the more reason to get acquainted with American blenders- for those of us in the US- as their offerings are better than the formerly vaunted Dunhill marque. Buy locally, where you can, so European guys, too- or wherever- support your local blenders!

    I know that you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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    Hmmm... I just went to the K&K website and these blends seem to have been removed. I can’t find them anywhere on that site.

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    Still there.
    Nightcrap, Decrepit Billboard, Liz’s Mashup, etc.

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    They're being sold at cigarworld.de Prices vary, but average around €14.

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    The reports I'm hearing are that they are good blends, but there are some differences. The K&K version of Navy Rolls now has a Cavendish center.

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    The K&K version of Navy Rolls now has a Cavendish center.

    Stokkebye??

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    Site I buy off in UK has a Dunhill Replacement page set up. At the moment it just says coming soon.

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    Site I buy off in UK has a Dunhill Replacement page set up. At the moment it just says coming soon.

    And what site might that be?

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    I think piper64 is referring to thebackyshop.co.uk who have had a link on the pipe tobacco page that says 'Dunhill pipe tobacco replacement' its been up for about a week or so but so far there are no blends when you click the button.
    Chris.

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    I think piper64 is referring to thebackyshop.co.uk

    Thank you.

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    I'm guessing that Asia is the principle market for this stuff, otherwise it would make little business sense to do this.

    Sable, Germany is an excellent market for Dunhill tobaccos. I think K & K had Germany in mind, more than anything else, then Europe.
    I've only seen them available in Germany, so far, which is slightly odd as I would have expected the UK and other EU countries to get them as well at the present.

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    I just had a bowl of Majesty Elizabeth. Not very impressed. The only redeeming feature is the nicotine content which is satisfying and plenty.
    Other than that there is a sweet-ish topping which reminds me of Erinmore Mixture, not very good.
    The cut is ribbon but there are a few pieces of broken flake too.
    I will report again after a few more bowls.

    Posted 6 months ago #
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    I don't care what they name it, so long as it's the same blend as Dunhill Elizabethan!

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    Has anyone heard anything more about these blends being matches or how close they are to the original Dunhill blends?

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    I reviewed seven of the blends here if that will help you, Wolfman:
    http://pipesmagazine.com/forums/topic/jims-mcconnells-dunhill-clones-reviews

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    Thanks Jimlnks, much appreciated

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    The Robert Mcconnell series has been redesigned (titles and tin art) but the stuff seems to be the same:

    https://kohlhase-kopp.com/ceemes/zigarren/robert-mcconnell/heritage/black-flake-1369.html?markenansicht=1list=1

    These are no exact match blends - but close to the dunhill originals.

    Greetings from Germany

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