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RIP: US Evangelist Billy Graham.

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  1. mawnansmiff

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    Religion never was my thing but I'm sure this may interest some folks. If I recall as a child I was taken with the family to one of his outdoor conventions back in the 1970's.

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    My family trooped down to the big lakefront convention center in Chicago to hear Rev. Graham in the late fifties. The crowd was vast and we were shuffled into another vast side room where we heard the speech/sermon via microphones, and of course I'd seen him, and saw him, many times later on TV. I was impressed at the reception when they passed the big popcorn buckets for offering. My family was long instated in a local established church, so we weren't "saved" into Rev. Graham's particular style of Christianity, but we were certainly interested in the magnitude. Many years later, my dad, still going to the family church for sixty some years or more, liked to travel to one or two mega-churches, and even took me to one, just to sample a different version and style of worship. I think even Rev. Graham realized later in life that, in trying to minister to Presidents and other high level politicians, he had perhaps gotten too close to their political positions, as tapes with Nixon and LBJ suggest. But Billy launched religion on TV in the media age and rose above at least most of the scandals generated around other men of the cloth. His wholesomeness, though sometimes grating in the face of difficult times and issues, seemed to help many people find a centered and positive place in their lives, and for that he can be respected and remembered.

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    I think my grandmother actually went to one of his outdoor conventions when he visited Scotland. She wasn't evangelical by any means but he had enough of an impact that even a staunch traditional Presbyterian like her wanted to at least have that experience.

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    Very sad to hear of his passing . My Grandparents went to many of his sermons. He was a good man for sure.

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    I might not personally be a success at religion, but it seems to be a source of joy, comfort, and incentive toward good behavior for many people. Leaders like Reverend Graham and Shmuley Boteach strike me as the future of religion: reminding people that they have to get over themselves and do some good before any touch of the divine will grace them.

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    He even visited my remote minicountry, Faroe Islands, sometime in the nineties I think. I'm not interested in the stuff, but still got the clear impression that he was an honorable man. Not all evangelical preachers are.

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    He is the only "tv" evangelist that I could listen to (not that I normally sit and watch them) and really comes off to me as a man of integrity. I read his autobiography which was very interesting and really showed what kind of man he is. Rest in Peace.

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    Heaven picked up a good man yesterday in Billy Graham. One of the few who walked the talk, for sure.

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    While there are many poor examples out there claiming to represent the gospel...Billy Graham was not only preaching the good news, but his life was a real example of it. I promise I'm not looking to start a forum-prohibited religious debate...but one quick response just to balance a previous post above. Billy's sole message (the gospel) is not one that demands you do some good before any touch of the divine will grace you...in fact, it's quite the opposite. The strongest example is the apostle Paul, (penned about half the new testament) who was actively persecuting and killing Christians when he met Christ. The ensuing radical change in his life was the result.

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    Amen, and may he R.I.P.

    I know that you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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    I forgot to mention, of my experience (I was aged about 11 - 12) all I can really recall of the event was nearly falling into one of the hastily dug field latrines that were built for the event. It was my first experience of using such a 'convenience'......I'll never forget it.

    Now that did put the fear of god into me I can tell you..........

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    One of the truly "Good Ones". May he rest in peace.

    And little Sir John and the nut brown bowl proved the strongest man at last
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    Something I have observed in my lifetime has been the unwillingness of people to openly discuss politics and religion. Arguably two of the most important things in our lives. I am not trying to be political or preachy here, but I find it interesting that we have become a society that is uncomfortable with our ability to share and understand differing opinions. How can we possibly begin to understand each other without intelligent discussion? Sorry if this is a little off topic, but it got me thinking....

    R.I.P.

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    I was raised Jewish. We had a wonderful babysitter who had worked on the farm that later became the subdivision that I grew up in. She was in her late 60's, and lived in a tidy little trailer behind the big house that she had raised her family in, and given to one of her kids when she got married. I spent many afternoons in that wonderful, cozy trailer, sitting on the floor watching Billy Graham with her and my my sister. I was too young to understand his message, but not too young to understand that he was a good man.

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    I believe Billy Graham was truly a man of integrity and who not only cared about what was going on in the world at any particular time of his long ministry, but individual people as well. He has influenced world leaders throughout the decades of half the last century and well into this century. That's really something. May he rest in peace.

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    A good run has come to an end. A gentle man, tolerant of others with an unswerving belief in right and wrong. A man of God, who understood a democracy could not survive without a firm understanding of right and wrong.

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    A good run has come to an end. A gentle man, tolerant of others with an unswerving belief in right and wrong. A man of God, who understood a democracy could not survive without a firm understanding of right and wrong. No situational ethics for him!

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    Rest in peace, Billy.

    As Steve said, Heaven added another bright star.

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    Graham was one of the truly great preachers of our time. He was a man blessed with honor and integrity. I was raised Catholic but Graham was the greatest speaker of the Gospel I ever heard. Rest in Peace, Reverend Billy.

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    Two of Christianity's biggest blows have come to pass. The death of Pope John Paul 2 and now Billy Graham. I'm sure Graham was given a standing ovation as he walked though the gates of heaven.

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    I'm Catholic now, but was raised by very fundamental Christian parents, (which explains why I'm not in prison). They loved Billy Graham and later, all the newer tv "Evangelists". The new breed all seemed to fall to life's temptations and disgraced. Thankfully, Billy never seemed to have any skeletons in the closet. In the recent season of "The Crown", he was depicted in one episode and seemed to have a big effect on Queen Elizabeth (and in real life).

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    He was anti-Semite who called Jews "Satanic."

    He suggested that AIDS was god's punishment for homosexuality, was a proponent of "gay cure" therapy, and allegedly said, "“All homosexuals should be castrated”.

    He wanted to use nukes in Vietnam.

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    Again, it's amazing how similar hobby forums are. Other forums have the same RIP Billy Graham thread. And of course, there's always some classless person who craps in the thread. I guess people are universal regardless of the hobby.

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    Some people simply were never taught social skills. They can't resist trying to hi-jack a thread.

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    I think it's amazing that people still don't understand that not everybody thinks like they do, just because we all smoke pipes. I just posted some facts about the man. If you agree with his stance on these issues, it shouldn't be seen as crapping on the thread. If you don't, pointing out these beliefs shouldn't be a problem. I recall similar debates about Hugh Hefner.

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    That this is not the place to post your negative views eludes you doesn't it? Start another thread if you must post your views. RIPs are for respects nor disrespects. You are certainly entitled to your perspectives and to post such. Proper time and place should be a consideration. You are certainly not the only member who takes an RIP post to go negative. I simply think certain social norms should prevail.

    Do you show up a funerals to air negative views of the deceased? My guess would be ...

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    I think it's amazing that people still don't understand that not everybody thinks like they do, just because we all smoke pipes. I just posted some facts about the man. If you agree with his stance on these issues, it shouldn't be seen as crapping on the thread. If you don't, pointing out these beliefs shouldn't be a problem. I recall similar debates about Hugh Hefner.

    For what's it worth, I don't agree with some things Billy Graham has said, but this is a memorial thread for people to give their best wishes, not a platform for you to air your indignation. The thread isn't about you and it's simply classless to come here and crap on his grave and the people expressing good wishes.

    Hopefully the mods will delete your posts, as well as mine, and let the thread get back to it's original intent instead of getting closed down like I've seen in other hobby forums.

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    Comment Deleted/Al(lets not call each other names here, please!)

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    A memorial thread is a memorial thread. We already know that no man is perfect. I have nothing but respect and love for Billy Graham and that is what this thread is about.

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    Well, apologies if I hurt anyone's feelings. I didn't realize that it's okay to mention the demerits as well as the merits of some recently deceased public figures (like Hefner) but not others.

    warren - I didn't post negative "views". I posted facts about the man, on a public forum about pipes (not a Christian forum). Which is very different from going to his funeral and airing negative views.

    oldtoby - you are way the hell out of line. Personal attacks are against forum rules. Posting facts about a recently dead celebrity are not.

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    Come on boys knock it on the head will you. As a Catholic I have a lot of time for Grahams pastoral work. In the old days the best pastoral priests were the Irish who went out and took the rough and tumble of preaching the good book. Graham was in a class of his own, not always to my taste but he helped a lot of souls and for that he should get a good seat when he arrives upstairs.

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    Come on boys knock it on the head will you.

    LoL! Didn't you just get a very nasty post removed in a RIP thread a couple of weeks ago?

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    I sort of agree with the views that Lazar stated Graham stood for, but I have no clue if that was fact.
    A RIP thread doesn't guarantee anything, so go easy on him. (remember the RIP for Charlie Manson, not much love there)
    However, no matter our dissenting views, calling someone names is not tolerated, so that comment was deleted.
    I'm sure that as a Christian, Billy Graham loved everyone, even those who hated him. Lets behave similarly.

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    When you deliberately post something to rile the people in a thread you really should not be surprised or offended by the backlash.

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    I was raised as a Christian, and I was taught that there was only one perfect man to have walked this earth. That man tried to to teach us that we should love all people, no matter what. Even imperfect preachers and people that deliberately post things to rile the people in a thread. So remember this;

    “I love you, and there is nothing you can do about it!”

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    Well, you would suppose someone had to shit in here. That's ok, we all have opinions. No offense Lazar. State your opinion, it's yours to own. And that's OK.

    I would also suppose the Jews that Billy really was fed up with was the self hating progressive type. But that's his heart, and only him and God can answer those questions. I'm not into this hand seeeping all whites are racist, all Evangelicals are ignorant bigots, all Mexicans are illegal, Everyone that voted for Trump is a White Supremacist, All blacks that voted for Obama were awaiting a pay back for the Civil War, etc.... That's a lot of stress to put on ones self.

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    Well put mayhew and perdurabo.

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    perdurabo, it was the alleged Jewish bankers and pornographers he didn't like. To his credit, he did apologize profusely later.

    As for self-hating Jews, I thought that was a term reserved for the likes of Stephen Miller and Jared Kushner.

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    As for self-hating Jews, I thought that was a term reserved for the likes of Stephen Miller and Jared Kushner.

    WTF, where is this thread going...? Aren't there any mods on this forum?

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    I'm sure that as a Christian, Billy Graham loved everyone, even those who hated him. Lets behave similarly.

    Sounds good to me. I heard that Billy Graham secretly enjoyed the music of Slayer. Can anyone confirm?

    And as someone who has encountered Jewish self-hatred, it's a waste of your time. Be happy being who you are. Visit or move to Israel. It'll cure you.

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    WTF, where is this thread going...? Aren't there any mods on this forum?

    It was quite a successful hijacking.

    I've noticed in life that wherever you go, the most hate filled and intolerant people are usually "liberals".

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    Eh, if the thread goes political, it dies, even if the mods don't close it.

    We know humanity has a problem with projecting itself onto reality and then achieving poor results.

    In the meantime, let's rap about Billy Graham...

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    I think we’ve drifted into religion bashing, political, racial and a few other things....R.I.P....

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