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  1. toobfreak

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    RIP, Bill O'Reilly, I don't know what is stranger, that Fox News canned your show overnight and without warning, the centerpiece of its news federation that built the network over the past 20 years despite being the most popular show they had just because of allegations which Bill firmly denied, or that the girl who played Joanie on Happy Days, Erin Moran, has died suddenly for no apparent reason, at only the age of 56.

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    O'Reilly and Fox have already acknowledged paying out $13 million to settle numerous claims. I don't see anything strange. I see a company who knows when the curtain has fallen.

    Moran's death was just as unsurprising. Her sad story has been internet click-bait fodder for years.

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    Of the two, I'm more upset about Erin Moran.

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    I'm in before this is shut down. The odds are it'll turn political and perhaps ugly.

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    O'Reilly and Fox have already acknowledged paying out $13 million to settle numerous claims

    True, Woods, but settling a claim isn't an admission of guilt. It is just settling a claim. Sometimes (lots?) you do that just to get someone off your back. I did hear that someone had documentation that someone (organization?) had stated a deliberate intention to take Bill down. Not long ago, they did the very same thing to one of the big shots on the network! That is why it surprised me. Either a lot of guys there are pompous chauvinists or someone's out to try to destroy the news competition.

    Her sad story has been internet click-bait fodder for years.

    Not aware of what that was. Your link doesn't work. Not that I was a big fan or anything, just sorry to here it happen at only 56. Can I guess drug use?

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    Fox lost 50 sponsors. Megyn Kelly left, which also cost Fox future revenue. Too much smoke for there not to be a fire behind it. It's always about money at some point. Moving on.

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    Sarah Palin was on CNN and couldn't say outright that her decision to leave Fox News had nothing to do with her own experience with sexual harassment at the network. I mean, come on...

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    but settling a claim isn't an admission of guilt. It is just settling a claim. Sometimes (lots?) you do that just to get someone off your back.

    ...right out of the Michael Jackson play book

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    Good one, pagan!!

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    First Roger Ailes and now Bill O'Reilly -- seems like there's something in the water at Fox News...

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    Don't worry folks. Old Bill will pop up again somewhere else to deliver his fiery brand of BS. There's always a market for idiocy.

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    Yep. On the other side of the aisle, Samantha Bee is great at peddling it for fun and profit.

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    Does this have anything to do with Rachael's MadCow disease?

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    Reality, most of Foxs viewers are Old F#%ks, which I am one. Murdochs puppies are cleaning house because most of his viewership have one foot in the coffin. They re building a new base which doesn't include us. We have met the Enemy and they is us.

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    Sorry about the bad link. Just Google Erin Moran, that's what I did.

    As with most everything, the narrative here with O'Reilly isn't one-dimensional. Yes, there were alot of people who wanted O'Reilly gone. But, in the end, he and Ailes tripped over their own dicks testosterone, so to speak. I'm sorry to see that happen, as they were a counterpoint in a media monoculture. Not a good counterpoint IMHO, they suffer the same ills as the other media news entertainment outlets. Same crap, different consistency.

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    The news industry is in the toilet. You cannot actively campaign for or against a candidate and then expect credibility when covering the opposite.

    It's like reviewing aromatics and in your opening line you say, "I don't like aromatics, but here's my review of one".

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    Great analogy, Tim.

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    Getting back to Erin Moran, I guess what surprises me is that of the original cast, she was the youngest and they are all still alive except for the dad, Tom Bosley! I still have not seen anything really saying anything bad about Erin except some hint that she might have lived in a trailer park, not that I'm looking and not that I'd be surprised.

    Megyn Kelly left, which also cost Fox future revenue.

    So did Greta van Sustern. But that was over O'Reilly? Never heard that. Not that I was looking. I liked Greta but not Kelly. I thought Kelly's leaving had something to do with her wanting to get into something else outside the news business. Not that I was following closely.

    Sadly, it seems that "harassment" can mean most anything; you can tell a person they have nice hair and rather than it being the compliment it used to be, now someone can claim they felt harassed.

    most of his viewership have one foot in the coffin. They re building a new base which doesn't include us.

    Perhaps. But as old people die off, others are getting older to replace them. True, they have more and more younger staff, Kennedy, Watters, Tucker, but while I like Tucker, he's kind of a kinder, gentler young O'Reilly, I don't think much of the others. I base my liking someone on the substance they provide, not how old they are. I just wonder, if there is all this sexual harassment going on at Fox, why do they have all these young, pretty girls working there still who seem very happy?

    My personal feeling was that O'Reilly brought a comfortable stability to the programming. He was very polished and in general, the network seems more balanced, friendly and less one-sided than some other cable news. But I disagreed with some things O'Reilly would say strongly and could not believe he said them, he seemed an arrogant ass at times who wouldn't let his guests talk and I was getting sick of him being off all the time. And I hated many of his repeat guests, some of which were much too predictable. Ironically, in recent weeks and months, I sometimes found myself thinking that ol' Bill ought to retire and they ought to put Tucker in his slot, and that is just what happened!

    Still, part of me will miss Bill and his personal format, and while nothing has been proven, you just can't say that if there is smoke there must be fire because then the opposite would have to be true and there have been too many instances where there were huge bonfires and all the smoke was carefully contained, I think this all goes back to the hold PC has over us, where all you have to do now is accuse someone of something, all of his advertisers were jumping ship out of fear of the backwash of the attack media going after them for supporting his show, and it all came down to dollars--- as it always does.

    But there was a lot of good O'Reilly contributed like his books and TV series about the Old West and the Patriots, and Bill helped out a lot of good causes like the Vets. O'Reilly was a loud, abrasive, foul-mouthed guy in his early years who just said what he thought, and there is an irony that in the end due to PC, they fired him for basically the very thing they hired him for--- being controversial and walking to his own beat.

    No one should be harassed or threatened (much, but it does happen), but the world is not a nice place and the irony is that years ago when women wanted equality and the ability to get into the game, it now seems that at least with some of them, it is not enough that they merely meet the world head on and fit in, they also want the world to change to suit them.

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    Probably no way to comment here without it being perceived as political. Heck even if the comment is completely benign, the thought police, word police, micro-aggression police, wrong thinking police, hate speech police of our ever growing "waiting for a reason to be offended" citizenry will be waiting to pounce, claim some sort of psychological injury, and dramatically feign moral outrage, over anything that doesn't fit their soundbite safe-space delicate sensibilities.

    In the end we may never know if the allegations lodged against Bill were actually true or if they were actually trumped up charges that were seized upon by his opponents (main stream media, feminazi's, etc...) But it sure seems that there have been an ever-growing increase in such accusations against folks not in HRC's camp.

    As to the "fiery brand of BS" comment... I know exactly how you feel, as it relates to abc, cbs, nbc, cnn and all of the other networks and institutions that were more worried about currying favor with the previous administration than they were about reporting real substantive unbiased facts vs opinions.

    As to the real reason Bill got the hatchet, I'm sure it had nothing to do with the fact that his daughter-in-laws are not conservatives or the fact that one of them actually works/ed for the Clinton Foundation.

    Again, not intended to be political, just an objective observation.

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    BonanzaDriver, feminazi?? I'm not sure you're equipped for a real debate. Ratchet that garbage back with feminist and you'll do better.

    The first step to losing any argument, IMHO, is to pull the nazi, ___nut or racist card.

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    Probably no way to comment here without it being perceived as political. Heck even if the comment is completely benign, the thought police, word police, micro-aggression police, wrong thinking police, hate speech police of our ever growing "waiting for a reason to be offended" citizenry will be waiting to pounce, claim some sort of psychological injury, and dramatically feign moral outrage, over anything that doesn't fit their soundbite safe-space delicate sensibilities.

    No, no, and hell no. We don't got no thought police, "Hey, Mister leave those kids alone"..... But, political rants are verboten.

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    I would think the term "feminist" would suffice. It is proudly used as an identifier for women who eschew gender equality and promote gender supremacy, rendering the "-nazi" suffix redundant. Plus, it sounds classier.

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    I'm reading this but I don't understand what I'm reading. We have met the enemy and they is us.

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    Moran's decline has been documented over the years. O'Reilly, I think, thought he was too big to fail.

    "Feminist" is also used an epithet. Words mean nothing sometimes, even in context.

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    Hell, Warren, I've heard damned near everything used as an epithet. Usually aimed in my direction, at that.

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    Moran's decline has been documented over the years. O'Reilly, I think, thought he was too big to fail.

    I did find one thing about Moran where she was having depression and not getting jobs and was kicked out of a trailer park for excessive partying.

    But then, would it be a good party without being excessive?

    As to Billy Boy, he will do alright if he was getting 25-40 million a year and got around that much leaving Fox. The exact number doesn't matter to me. I doubt we will see him again or for a long time. I would see him with Fox guests on his show and while nice on the surface, you could often see a certain amount of nervousness and fear in his fellow Fox compatriots faces like he could squash them like a bug if he wanted to, and I'm sure he thought he was too big to fail. I guess I did too.

    I guess no more cushy spots for Miller and no more Miller, O'Reilly and Watters comedy tours. No one is laughing now (except maybe Bill on his way to the bank--- he still made out good).

    Wouldn't that be a hoot now if he turned up on CNN?!

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    So did Greta van Sustern. But that was over O'Reilly? Never heard that. Not that I was looking. I liked Greta but not Kelly.

    va Sustern was an Ailes ally. She left because of the changes going on at Fox. To some degree, all of this relates to Ailes, who looks disturbingly like Jabba the Hut. Fox is looking to keep its audience share, and that does mean a younger demographic as well. At some point the double standards of behavior become a threat to the business. Ailes was too arrogant to see it and got the boot. O'Reilly refused to read the notice as well and new he's got the boot as well.

    I just wonder, if there is all this sexual harassment going on at Fox, why do they have all these young, pretty girls working there still who seem very happy?

    Didn't realze you worked there, toob. Maybe they're on drugs or maybe they're looking forward to million dollar payouts, kind of a bonus for working for people who have an outsized sense of personal entitlement and no common sense.

    Still, part of me will miss Bill and his personal format, and while nothing has been proven, you just can't say that if there is smoke there must be fire because then the opposite would have to be true and there have been too many instances where there were huge bonfires and all the smoke was carefully contained

    Can you explain this to me as it doesn't seem to make any sense. Not the part about Bill. I think he provided a valuable service, the dummy. The part about smoke and fire. Remember, no politics.

    irony that in the end due to PC, they fired him for basically the very thing they hired him for

    Playing the PC card is getting really old. What do you mean you don't appreciate me walking into your dining room, climbing onto your dining room table, dropping my pants and shooting off all over it. You're so PC! Anyone who complains about my having impregnated your dog is so PC! Anyone who bitches about me acting out in any manner is so PC. Anyone who bitches about my refusing to grow up is so PC. Jeez, spare me.

    OK, your turn.

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    Ash,

    although I appreciate your opinion, as it relates to my ability to rationally discuss facts or working theories, vs how I feeeeeel about such things, and your obvious efforts for me or others to use pc dialogue, I did in fact use the word that I had actually intended.

    Feminists are not by definition radical in nature. The a fore mentioned group, however, is by definition radical.

    So, as I mentioned in my first post on this thread, I'm not trying to evoke any political tension, just trying to offer a different point of view, seeking no approval from the entitled generation or those that would call for the end to free speech if it happens to be be incongruous with their world-view-de-jour.

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    A person can be smart, talented, photogenic and still behave in a boorish manner off air.

    O'Reilly still has hacks employed, churning out books he "co-authors". He has a loyal following and, likely, won't notice the income reduction. He's very "politically correct" to his ever loyal base and will continue to speak.

    Some other network, needing a boost, will hire him if he wants to continue on TV. His viewership increased as he lost money for Fox for crying out loud! Fox is looking to its bottom line and shareholder/owners. He became a liability to his employer. He'll soldier on though as much as he wants with his "book of the week", tours, columns, etc.

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    Also, he got 25 million to go away. Poor Bill, he stepped over the line several times and finally lost his job.

    I have a hard time feeling sorry for someone who gets that kind of severance.

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    Thanks, Jesse. You told me some things I didn't know about Fox. Another name I've heard bandied was Gretchen Carlson. I guess she's gone too. I have never heard exactly what were the charges in these complaints though, comments, ludeness, groping?

    As to the smoke thing, accusing someone is one thing, proving it is another. And conversely, not seeing any smoke doesn't mean there isn't anything there. Sure, it seems odd that Fox has been hit with several sex/harassment charges, but they are apparently between two people, both gone now, but nothing was ever proven in court with evidence, but that doesn't mean there wasn't anything there. But I won't convict someone based on accusations and circumstances alone, whatever my suspicions, there is probably some truth in there, but there are also many who would like to destroy Fox. The real truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

    All I know is that if I wanted to harass anyone there, it would not be any of those who left, but some of the ones still there! Greg Gutfeld better watch himself, he might be next!

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    Bonanza, I'm PC?? Lol. Have some more Kook-Aid. You can say whatever you want in person, but this is a pipe Forum. So keep that in mind when you post. But hey, I'm too PC to pay attention too.

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    Another name I've heard bandied was Gretchen Carlson. I guess she's gone too. I have never heard exactly what were the charges in these complaints though, comments, ludeness, groping?

    She was fired in retaliation after she refused to sleep with Ailes. She actually recorded her conversations with him because the harassment was frequent and brazen. She filed a lawsuit and that's what started the whole investigation at Fox.

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    Ahha, Jack! Evidence! First I'm hearing this stuff, I guess I thought I was getting the news by turning on the TV when all along it was going on behind the set!

    Still, I never thought Gretchen was that pretty. If you are going to chase a skirt there, I'd be more apt to go after the likes of Sandra Smith, Joanne Nosuchinsky (left), or Katherine Timpf.

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    I stopped watching all TV "news" shows approximately 13 years ago.

    In fact I stopped watching all TV period around the time Seinfeld went off the air. Haven't had any cable or satellite service or seen anything at all on TV since then. I only still have a TV in order to watch DVD's.

    As for all of the teleprompter readers they call journalists on TV...IMO...none of them are worth even 1/10th of what they're paid. The primary reason why the networks can still charge so much money for commercials is because the pharmaceutical companies are willing to pay it. The audience size for the news shows does not justify the revenue.

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    @Warren- You know, I may just be being my cynical old self, but I've always suspected that O'Reilly's "co-author" pretty much did the heavy lifting on the "Killing ______" series of books. I have read a few of them, and enjoy the way they are written; I have always assumed O'Reilly lent the big-name value and the other guy (Martin Dugard, IIRC) was the actual author.

    I lost any respect I may have had for O'Reilly's veracity with the George de Morenthschild bullshit. He was there when De Morenthschild offed himself like Hillary was under sniper fire in Bosnia and J. Edgar Hoover arrested Alvin Karpis.

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    He was always a bit too bombastic for my tastes.

    Watters is always fun. I'm an old fart and his shows always reinforce my belief that our education is sadly lacking in substance. It's what old folks do. We do not like becoming irrelevant. Miller? I'm too old to get his references.

    Viewer numbers, in the right demographic, translates directly to sales/profits. Advertising is a deductible business expense. The older demographic loves to have the latest and greatest meds. especially if insurance or government is paying the tab. O'Reilly's demos trended old so certain companies purchased ads. Successful companies do not "shotgun" their ad dollars, they use them skillfully, with a lot of research behind their decisions.

    One of the reasons he used Watters and Miller was to get the age down. On his own he attracts older viewers and road show customers. The addition of the two skews his demographics a bit younger, attracting more advertisers. Hisw older, less affluent viewers bumped up his viewer numbers but, he was still a liability to his employer and to advertisers. Who needs the added headache?

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    Aldecaker, if you've ever read any of Martins earlier works, you'd definitely see his hand all over the killing books. His books Chasing Lance (about Lance Armstrong) and Surviving the Toughest Race on Earth (about the Raid Gaulioses) come to mind BUT his book Farther than any Man: The Rise and Fall of Capt. James Cook seals the deal. O'Reilly is the name and Dugard is the author raking in the dough.

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    Warren, what you state has been substantiated, to my satisfaction, by an individual who was in the network news business as a "writer/formatter", whatever they call them, and said they were instructed to keep the audience tuned in to get them from one commercial break to the next using sensationalism, fear mongering, etc. You're right, it's all about the money and keeping viewer numbers up and the advertising customer's money rolling in. That individual got a belly full and found another line of work that allowed himself a clear conscience.

    I also gave up on talking heads and TV cutting the cord six years ago. I stay involved with periodicals and a few other sources that are, in my opinion, objective and of no party or clique.

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    IMO, the advertising budget of pharmaceutical companies is grossly over-inflated due to the nature of the so-called health care system (but that's a whole other discussion that can't be had here).

    And, IMO, a large portion of what they are actually paying the corporate, TV news for is to not report the truth about their "products".

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    Big Pharma and the FDA will kill us faster than common sense can save us.

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    That didn't take long!

    Bill O'Reilly

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    Everyone hush.... Brad is talking

    We have met the Enemy and they is us.

    ...so wise, he has reached into the duality of man in his own Cajun kinda way

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    TV News is only incidentally about news, as TV Sports is only incidentally about sports. Their main function is entertainment and providing billions in revenue to broadcasting. You can thank Roone Arledge for for pretty mannequins substituting for journalists and a baseball players union that supports steroid use.

    That didn't take long!

    More than likely it's been in the works for a while. I now know another way to save $49.95 a year.

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    More than likely it's been in the works for a while.

    I agree Jesse. O'Reilly talked all of the time about his website and becoming a "premium member" and all of the benefits and gifts. He has likely been building this as a backdoor to get out of Fox with and between that and his income at Fox, had little reason to restrain himself in his behavior.

    If he has even only 30,000 members, that amounts to 1.5 million in revenue. Not exactly chump change, especially with what he already has in the bank. And now he doesn't even have to leave his house.

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    TV news is specifically geared towards turning politics into emotional discussions in the vein of sports. Problem is, if the Cubs win the World Series, no one loses their health insurance. Turns out if the wrong team in politics wins, they do.

    TV news - as a whole - is a poison, on both sides. Please stop watching it. It's bombastic bullshit designed to rile us all up.

    That said:

    Not gonna shed a tear over this guy.

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    Not gonna shed a tear over this guy.
    Marc Lamont Hill? I wouldn't waste a tear on him either!........

    "We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of the dream..."
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    I don't give a shit how many people lose their health insurance. In fact, the more, the better; getting health insurance out of health care is the best thing that could ever happen in the world of medicine. Extorting the populace by saying you need health insurance to afford health care is like saying you need life insurance to afford to live. The fact that in so many people's minds "health insurance" = "health care" is evidence of one of the biggest marketing-cum-brainwashing scams in history.

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    +10, aldecaker.

    And once you force individual health into a collective, then the door is open to regulation of personal choice and behavior, and closed to individual freedoms. Which brings this thread full circle and on topic.

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    I don't give a shit how many people lose their health insurance. In fact, the more, the better; getting health insurance out of health care is the best thing that could ever happen in the world of medicine. Extorting the populace by saying you need health insurance to afford health care is like saying you need life insurance to afford to live. The fact that in so many people's minds "health insurance" = "health care" is evidence of one of the biggest marketing-cum-brainwashing scams in history.

    +1000

    EDIT: The only legitimate role for any type of insurance is to insure against a catastrophic event...not as a means of paying for every little thing. If people used their house insurance to purchase doorknobs, doorknobs would cost at least a thousand dollars.

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    I don't give a shit how many people lose their health insurance. In fact, the more, the better; getting health insurance out of health care is the best thing that could ever happen in the world of medicine. Extorting the populace by saying you need health insurance to afford health care is like saying you need life insurance to afford to live. The fact that in so many people's minds "health insurance" = "health care" is evidence of one of the biggest marketing-cum-brainwashing scams in history.
    +1000

    +10000!

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    I see that I've been outbid!

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    fishingandpipes - sound advice on how far not to go from someone who never left.

    The fact that in so many people's minds "health insurance" = "health care"

    When I was a kid, I had healthcare. I called a doctor, said I was sick, he told me to be there in two hours. I came down, he was there smoking a cigarette, his wife was the nurse, he found my diagnosis and I got some medicine and it usually fixed me right up within a few hours.

    Now I have health insurance and I have to call the insurance company to see if everything is covered, then I have to go to my PCP who doesn't actually ever do anything, to get a referral to the real doctor who is a specialist. He can see me in a week, the room is full of patients, I have to give my life history, the doctor is running 45 minutes late and when I finally get to see him, he pulls the splinter out of my toe, gives me a script for some salve, and tells me to follow up with him in another six weeks to see how I'm healing.

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    Confusing pundits with news is a terrible mistake. I'm the first to suggest questioning the news and doing your own research. But, pundits such as O'Reilly, Maher, et al are commentators simply pontificating/bloviating entertainers, not journalists. God knows there are few objective reporters anymore so cherish those which exist. Their herd is mighty small and shrinking all the time. Journalism schools produce few objective reporters. Publishers don't want to hire them. So they will become extinct soon.

    You guys gotta shop around for health insurance. Close to seventy thou to repair my hip a couple of months ago. Between my provider and Medicare I'm out of pocket a mere $1200.00. I also donated $500.00 to the Municipal ambulance service. Good kids, very professional.

    So... a big thank you those of you who are employed and paying US taxes. I do so appreciate your efforts.

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    Aldecaker, + 10,001. Did I snipe it right?

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    I agree that medical insurance should be stopped. That way, a lot of the population will die in the ensuing chaos since they won't be able to find, much less afford, treatment and everything will be so much better. You might get lucky and your neurosurgeon will accept a few chickens as payment. Seems eminently sensible.

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    Close to seventy thou to repair my hip a couple of months ago.

    Perfect example of an outlandish, fictional cost created by insurance industry control of health care. If it weren't for insurance it would have cost but a fraction of that amount.

    And if all of the payments made to insurance companies went instead into people's own personal investment accounts, they could pay the entire cost themselves and still come out ahead of how they're currently being fleeced by the insurance industry.

    But we've all been conditioned to believe that such costs are inevitable, and that we could never get by without insurance companies to manage our money for us.

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    And if all of the payments made to insurance companies went instead into people's own personal investment accounts, they could pay the entire cost themselves and still come out ahead of how they're currently being fleeced by the insurance industry.

    But we've all been conditioned to believe that such costs are inevitable, and that we could never get by without insurance companies to manage our money for us.

    I suspect that the culprit is malpractice insurance. The rates on those policies soared into the stratosphere following huge jury awards, fueling the spiral in health costs. Add to that greed, opportunism, predatory practices like "drive by" doctoring and a lack of checks and balances on the medical/industrial complex and we have what we have.

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    OK, just when you guys really had me convinced that there was something amiss at Fox News, and I was watching a video the other day where one of the legal teams against O'Reilly made her case saying that X person at MSNBC had never been accused of sexual harassment, that Y person at CNN had never been accused, that Z person at Fox News (I remember it being Sean Hannity) had never been accused, so why all the charges against O'Reilly? The ol' smoke/fire thing--- now SEAN HANNITY has likewise been accused of sex harassment!

    Harassment Suit

    Now, I'm finding this real hard to believe. Hannity has zero past episodes of such things! I'm starting to think someone is going right down the line top to bottom here destroying lives and careers. Something is fishy here.

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    As Far as O'Rielly, he's a scumbag, so it doesn't surprise me. He ran a fair show though, that's better than his competition. He's doing pod cast now, find him there if you like him.

    As far as Healthcare, technology cost and it's being improved every day so healthcare will cost a penny. At least We don't have to wait in line for most treatments and surgeries yet. If we go to the VA route nationally, god help us.

    It's not my position nor want to help another man. It's his responsibility to help himself, as where he can learn to dig down deep enough to save himself. -I. Kidd
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    I'm not saying that it's easy to put the genie back in the bottle, Jesse. But I am saying that being unable to afford health care without paying a for-profit corporate entity a large annual bribe is, in large part, a creation of that very industry. Add to it Congress' refusal to even consider tort reform that would help control costs of malpractice insurance and the unfunded liability of the federal government mandating that hospitals treat other countries' citizens, then pass the cost onto paying customers instead of the local consulate of that country.

    The health insurance industry is a predatory and pernicious business which has gone through the same evolution as, say, big tobacco. How do we get customers completely dependent on our "product"; hopelessly addicted to where they just can't live without it? Why, manipulate medical costs to the point where people can't afford basic medical services without paying us our bribe first. In my mind, not so much different than fiddling with the chemicals in cigarettes to make them even more addictive.

    If you want to take the position that I'd like to watch a bunch of people die because in your mind, "health insurance" equals "health care", then that's fine. I'm a monster. I'm an eminently insensible fool who seeks chaos and wants to watch the world burn. Coming from my viewpoint, however, I'd rather see people be able to afford health care without first being forced to "donate" money to a corporation whose business model is to take premiums and invest it in the markets to make a profit for their "health insurance" corporation.

    It's ironic how easily the lefty/99%/"I'm for the little guy" crowd gets manipulated into lining the pockets of market players with the collusion of the federal government. It's probably fallout from when all the hippie dipshits from the '60s and '70s turned their backs on their own idiotic ideals and went back to school to become stockbrokers and lawyers.

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    Here's a personal note. When my father passed away a year and a half ago, basically in his sleep, the firefighters and ambulance were called. They transported my dad and officially declared him dead about 30 minutes after they left the house. A week later I got the bills. The hospital charged $14,000 and the ambulance charged $3,000. There's your scam. They tried against my wishes to revive him, even though he was entering rigor.

    The entire healthcare system is a scam, disguised in feel good clap trap.

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    +1 Tim, my Mother died of Lung Cancer, her Dr my first cousin a Surgeon and my Moms God child cared for her. Received a bill, I had signed responsibility, parents had no health insurance. Over 75,000,$ in 1986, A very good friend who I took spec fishing in Cypremort Point, was a retired Brain Surgeon, showed him the bill an asked what is Questionble and what is not. Half the bill was bogus he said after going thru it. I paid 15,000$, very hard at that time raising 3 kids. My best friend was. CEO of a large Hospital in Lafayette La, when drunk he would tell me stories that made me wish he was not my Friend. I worked for everything I've got. Now the govt wants to take it away and give it to the Malingeras, F#^k Em.

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    "Do Not Necessitate" orders usually need to be signed by the ill individual. The next of kin could have all sorts of ulterior motives for wanting a parent dead. Could be sibling disagreements also.

    I know many people who can't save enough money for gas, home upkeep, or an earthquake, drought, or hurricanes. These people trust to government and charity. A few dollars in the bank is too attractive to ignore when a big, flat screen is desired. Insurance is a manner of saving money for unforeseen eventualities. You are basically investing in the insurance company and awaiting the big payoff. So, government adjusts to the lowest common denominator becomes the provider for those not saving or spending wisely. I could have covered the costs if necessary. How many others could, or have planned for such?

    Similar to wills a lot of people prefer to avoid such discussion and planning for sickness or death. Ignoring such planning and saving is easier than planning for a catastrophic injury or illness. Doing so is admitting such can happen and acknowledging one's fragility. The alternative is to rely on government, relatives, insurance, charity, or fate. I'm not a fan of fate so I have insurance.

    High medical costs are a fact of life and there are many culprits. Sable has it pretty well nailed it though. Certain medical specialties pay extremely high malpractice insurance premiums. Certain attorneys make big money specializing in suing doctors. Insurance companies exist to pay shareholders dividends.

    My doctor has a second home in Los Vegas and a couple of Italian sports cars in the garage. Super cars do not do well in Alaska. Good for him! He's very good at what he does. He's smart enough to have started a clinic specializing in orthopedics with a number of fine doctors and staff. I can't begrudge him is success. He paid in time and moneys for his training and repaid all student loans. He has a skill I needed and was able to afford. My insurance would have covered the costs but, the Feds insisted on being part of the equation. I paid for that over the years with taxes.

    I got a decent ROL (Return On Investment) and will get back more as I age. At least that what I planned for. I may even come out ahead, realizing much more than I invested or loaned to the insurance company or Federal Government.

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    I agree, Warren. Insurance is great for unforeseen eventualities. Routine health care, however, is not an unforeseen eventuality. Getting hit by a bus and being out of work for six months is an unforeseen eventuality.

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    It's a rare celebrity who can maintain their balance when they are contracted for twenty million (or even a measly few million) a year and recognized by masses of the public. Whether it's Bill Cosby, Bill O'Reilly, or whoever. People just lose track. If you're that valuable, why can't you live out your sex fantasies in your off hours? Or during work hours, or anytime? O'Reilly's misbehaviors are merely alleged, but the very high power legal staff looked at the evidence and decided to settle. I don't know anything, but that gives me a pretty good suspicion.

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    Warren, I had a DNR for my dad. It was legal and proper, but I wasn't holding it when the fire department arrived. So anyone with a DNR needs it framed and hanging on the wall in case it's needed. Which is bulshit. Utter bullshit.

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    I have a Medicalert-style DNR bracelet somewhere, but ironically do not wear it because wearing jewelry around moving machinery is an excellent way to get injured.

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    And, if you are an asshole, or know of someone in your circle who is an asshole, make sure they are an organ donor...

    Organ Donor!

    Sorry, I just wanted in on this before it gets shut down and this seemed at least in the same arena of thought.

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