Rhodesian vs bulldog
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Russ is right. Everything I've read has said so. I find it counter intuitive though because when I think of Rhodesian, I think of Cecil Rhodes the famous diamond magnate who mined in southern Africa.
I had no idea that this topic had previously been unresolved ... but, for whatever reason, the resolution Russ offered (above) has been my understanding for quite some time ...
That said, whether your favorite smoker is a bulldog or a Rhodesian, it's still your favorite smoker ... a rose by any other name as the old saying goes ...
That said, whether your favorite smoker is a bulldog or a Rhodesian, it's still your favorite smoker ... a rose by any other name as the old saying goes ...
I had a nice lady at Tinderbox once tell me it was the height of the bowl. Believe Russ, he has forgotten more than any of us will ever know. Nice pipes, Al.
The question is a little unclear. I thought it was a vote on which Forums members like better. I like them
both, but I have three dogs and only one Rhodesian, though I share a name with Cecil Rhodes, a family
name, although he was not a sympathetic character to me, the dark side of colonialism, though I'm sure
he saw it differently. He was an amazing characters, but not so good. My Rhody is my only P-Lip, and
a great pipe.
both, but I have three dogs and only one Rhodesian, though I share a name with Cecil Rhodes, a family
name, although he was not a sympathetic character to me, the dark side of colonialism, though I'm sure
he saw it differently. He was an amazing characters, but not so good. My Rhody is my only P-Lip, and
a great pipe.
It's weird how these things go, how we have ultimately refined definitions to such an acute degree.
But old ghosts die hard, in the "things that make you go hmmmm" department,
why are most Bullmoose or Bullcap pipes so named?
Does anyone actually use this terminology?
Shouldn't they be called Rhodiemoose or Rhodes-cap?
Most of them seem to have round shanks...
I think in the old days , a Rhodesian was pretty much a squat bulldog in the eyes of many makers.
In addition to the above mentioned Upshall,
we have these...
Loewe had a bent bulldog called a Rhodesian,
and also a squattie called a Rhodes.
http://pipepages.com/37lc16
Comoy Rhodesians had diamond shanks,
http://pipepages.com/64com17s.htm
Orlik Rhodies too,
http://pipepages.com/orl15.htm
By the 60's, both GBD and Charatan were naming the shape as we know it today, maybe that's why the name stuck?
I dunno.
I don't think the Rhodesian was formally named after Cecil Rhodes though, he didn't even smoke a pipe!
In this thread you'll see a pic, but it ain't Cecil, it's Ewart Grogan...
:
http://pipesmagazine.com/forums/topic/pipe-shape-history
According to one of his private and confidential secretaries, Gordon Le Sueur, who wrote the book Cecil Rhodes - The Man and his Work, he preferred cigarettes,
link to the relevant page in that book
It's all very interesting how things have evolved.
I like this poem I found by indigosmoke,
:
:
But old ghosts die hard, in the "things that make you go hmmmm" department,
why are most Bullmoose or Bullcap pipes so named?
Does anyone actually use this terminology?
Shouldn't they be called Rhodiemoose or Rhodes-cap?
Most of them seem to have round shanks...
I think in the old days , a Rhodesian was pretty much a squat bulldog in the eyes of many makers.
In addition to the above mentioned Upshall,
we have these...
Loewe had a bent bulldog called a Rhodesian,
and also a squattie called a Rhodes.
http://pipepages.com/37lc16
Comoy Rhodesians had diamond shanks,
http://pipepages.com/64com17s.htm
Orlik Rhodies too,
http://pipepages.com/orl15.htm
By the 60's, both GBD and Charatan were naming the shape as we know it today, maybe that's why the name stuck?
I dunno.
I don't think the Rhodesian was formally named after Cecil Rhodes though, he didn't even smoke a pipe!
In this thread you'll see a pic, but it ain't Cecil, it's Ewart Grogan...
:
http://pipesmagazine.com/forums/topic/pipe-shape-history
According to one of his private and confidential secretaries, Gordon Le Sueur, who wrote the book Cecil Rhodes - The Man and his Work, he preferred cigarettes,
link to the relevant page in that book
It's all very interesting how things have evolved.
I like this poem I found by indigosmoke,
:
:
K
klause
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And, out of the ball park it goes..............crickey, Troy............knocked it for six, again.
Dunno how you do it, but awfully glad you do.
Dunno how you do it, but awfully glad you do.
I love that quote and had not read that before.
Chris sometimes doesn't label/title his pages correctly. Comoys calls the 409 a "Bent Bulldog" on their chart (it is shown on Chris' "Dublins & Rhodesians" page).
http://pipepages.com/pics/Comoy-Price-2.jpg
But, I can't really find the "Rhodesian" shape label on a Comoys shape chart.
I'm going back and re-read that quote.........
Chris sometimes doesn't label/title his pages correctly. Comoys calls the 409 a "Bent Bulldog" on their chart (it is shown on Chris' "Dublins & Rhodesians" page).
http://pipepages.com/pics/Comoy-Price-2.jpg
But, I can't really find the "Rhodesian" shape label on a Comoys shape chart.
I'm going back and re-read that quote.........
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