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Retrohale: yes or no?

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    I was reading the thread about inhaling from a pipe and it changing one’s voice. Someone mentioned that you shouldn’t inhale (agreed), but if you wanted to process the smoke further to retrohale.

    This confounded me a bit. I’ve smoked a pipe for around 11 years and I almost always retrohale. I thought everyone did.

    Am I wrong? Is retrohaling not normally done?

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    Wanted to add: on any given draw in of the smoke, I retrohale/puff out, retrohale/puff out, until all the smoke is gone, therefore I can take a ‘clean’ breath if I want without inhaling tobacco smoke (and yes, I know you’re going to inevitably inhale a bit of smoke regardless).

    Anyway that one post got me thinking about it.

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    I iterate: There are no written rules which must be adhered to with the pipe. It's a personal action which should give you a satisfactory experience. If you are happy with what you are doing, keep on keeping on!

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    For those who retrohale, it's what they do, part of their routine and the way they've learned to enjoy their pipe. puff', if it's what you do, it's probably what you'll continue to do. For those who don't, I couldn't recommend it. Why add a wider array of mucosal tissue to your smoke exposure, if you're enjoying your pipe without that?

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    In answer to your question about common, I don't do it. I have tried it and never really enjoyed it. I am guessing it is not as common as you once thought.

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    As I sit and ponder your question as I sip on a pipe, I realize it's just something I do without thinking about. Practically each and every sip is at least partially retrohaled, if not entirely.

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    I never did understand retrohale.

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    I adore the retrohale. To me it completes the taste.

    Interesting comments! I find the mouth taste is negligible without an accompanying retrohale.

    /shrug

    Sniffer cancer? Ugh.

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    I retrohale (sporadically) when I smoke.

    I retrohale (sporadically) when I'm enjoying a scotch.

    I retrohale (sporadically) when enjoying a meal.

    It's a way to fully enjoy the flavours. Without your olfactory sense, the taste buds in your mouth give you only sweet, salty, bitter, sour, and umami. Everything else is aromas.

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    I found another thread here on this. Seems mixed.

    I will admit that I’m an ex-cigarette smoker, and I also smoke cigars.

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    I do it.

    Smoking is one of the leading causes of all statistics.
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    lol

    We need a retrohaler’s support group!

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    I retrohale quite a bit. If I do it slowly the flavors come through wonderfully. If a particular blend does not offer that I probably won't be ordering more.

    My 2 cents.

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    I retrohale. Not continuously with every puff but quite a bit during a smoke. More so with flavors I really like.

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    I do. Especially with Virginia blends. It helps bring out the subtleties. Burley blends, still do, but not as much.

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    I retro inhale some of the time. It is definitely harsher on your sinuses, but it does helps fully taste the tobacco.

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    I retrohale (sporadically) when I smoke.

    I retrohale (sporadically) when I'm enjoying a scotch.

    I retrohale (sporadically) when enjoying a meal.

    Doesn't it hurt to blow whisky or food out your nose?

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    Constantly.

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    I retrohale most every puff

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    Doesn't it hurt to blow whisky or food out your nose?

    Lol if you've ever eaten with your mouth closed, and continued breathing, you've essentially retrohaled your food.

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    Constantly

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    I retrohale about 1/3 of the time. It is not something I think about.

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    Only occasionally, maybe a few times per smoke. I don't like to do it too often, or else the aroma of smoke is stuck in my nose long after I've set down the pipe, which some folks may enjoy, but not I.

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    I consider retrohaling rather essential to cigar and pipe smoking.

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    ^^ This. I couldn't imagine smoking a pipe or cigar without doing it............

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    I retrohale when I smoke. Retrohale gave me a better note tasting pleasure when smoke a pipe. Looks bad ass too

    Adhie was here
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    I do on almost every smoke. The only time I don't retrohale is when a tobacco produces a harsh burn on retrohale. Old Joe Krantz is one that burns my nasal cavity a little.

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    I can't imagine smoking a pipe without retrohaling nearly every puff.


    So you say you can drink? Well, I'm from Wisconsin. Try to keep up.
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    I can't imagine smoking a pipe without retrohaling nearly every puff.

    Definitely this^^^

    Can’t even come close to tasting everything without retrohaling.

    "May my last breath be drawn through a pipe, and exhaled in a jest." Charles Lamb
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    I do it every few sips of the pipe and enjoy it with some blends more than others. Va/Pers seem to give more flavor to me than Burley blends. But I still enjoy it with burley blends.

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    I consider retrohaling rather essential to cigar and pipe smoking.
    Yes...

    "the weez"...
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    Absolutely. I taste more with my nose than my mouth.

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    I retro-hale because I love tobacco and, well, it's just a lovely thing to do. Hell, I'd blow the darn stuff out of my ears if I could.

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    I alternate between breath method and retrohaling. To me it really brings out the flavors.

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    I consider retrohaling rather essential to cigar and pipe smoking.

    +1

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    I usually do, but not with every puff. I'll breathe smoke the majority of the time, and when I'm ready to expel what smoke I have in my mouth, I will retrohale it most of the time. Occasionally with a heavy latakia presence, I'll get that burn in my nose like eating a super healthy portion of wasabi. That'll get you going in the morning. Most aros don't burn too badly when retrohaled and I'll usually do it more with those than with a heavy latakia.

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    Yes for me. I do it automatically and would have to concentrate to only puff. A smoke coming out of my schnoz smells and tastes better.

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    Yes to retrohaling. Especially with subtle Virginias.

    Interestingly on other forums retrohaling is referred to as snorking. Not that there’s anything wrong with it. . .

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    For some reason I didn’t learn to retrohale until I’d been smoking the pipe for over 15 years...a whole new dimension was added.

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    If you look at the ranking peer-reviewed research on pipe smoking and health complications over the past 15 or 20 years, many studies will break down pipe smokers by depth of inhaling...usually something like "none" "slight" and "deep". Since these studies are survey based, the standard sort of caveat applies that "none" usually means non-intentional inhaling...it doesn't mean that these people don't actually inhale, they just don't make a point of inhaling. As was mentioned in a post above, you can't taste the flavor (especially of an aromatic) without at least taking some smoke in--its simply biology. That said, slight (I think) would be those that intentionally either retro hale or french inhale (like I do...i.e., blow out the mouth and inhale a small portion of smoke through the nose); deep inhale would be what my grandfather did which was every 3 or 4 puffs, he would literally inhale through the mouth that last puff and take it in deeply.

    All that said, there is an excellent study done back in 2004 that out of the pipe smokers in this study, 5243 of them responded "none", 1741 responded "slight", and 1091 responded "deep"...in percentage terms this would mean that roughly 36% consciously inhale, with roughly 22% of those being retro or french inhalers.

    So, since this is a relatively large study, I would assume that the percentage of these in the population would be about the same.

    (Note: of course there is sample bias going on here. I'm sure that some of those that responded "none" in fact do consciously inhale, they just aren't telling the survey taker that for whatever reason.)

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    To me, there's a large leap between french inhaling and retrohaling. I won't french inhale at all but will constantly retrohale.

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    To me, there's a large leap between french inhaling and retrohaling

    I think there is a misconception that french inhalers take a large amount of smoke into the lungs, and thats simply not true for most of us. In fact, I probably inhale far less smoke than you do overall, even though I take a small amount of it into my lungs which you don't. French inhaling is more like second hand smoking...

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    Tim- Could you expand on that? Not understanding the (major) differences.

    I know that you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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    French inhaling is pulling smoke into the lungs, retrohaling isn't.

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    I sometimes ‘snork’ (a term I’ve seen used by pipesmokers for retrohaling) a couple of times during the bowl. This will usually be done when smoking a blend new to me. It helps intensify flavors that I might not notice otherwise.

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    i thought retrohale was exhaling the smoke through nose. french is inhaling smoke through nose. i retrohale cigar/vape/cigarette fine and enjoy it. but for some reason, pipe smoke isn't as enjoyable.

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    i thought retrohale was exhaling the smoke through nose. french is inhaling smoke through nose

    Retrohale is when you take in a puff and push it out through your nose via your upper air passages thereby bypassing your lower respiratory system that leads to your lungs, etc. French inhaling is when you take the same puff but immediately blow it back out your mouth in such a way that as the smoke travels upward, you breath in through your nose thereby taking in some of the smoke you just blew out; this process does lead to some smoke going into your upper lung area. That said, with regard to how much smoke is touching respiratory membranes in general, retrohaling is far worse as the entire puff touches part of the lining of your upper airways, while with french inhaling, in general, only a small portion get ingested (unless, that is, you really focus your efforts on taking in as much as the puff as possible like people who vape do, but with pipe smokers, we generally just want to take in enough to taste the aroma so to speak, so it's very little of the puff that gets inhaled through the nose). Some may argue that the former is better for you because the smoke doesn't go into the lungs, I would argue that it depends where you live. If you live in a big city and/or a city with a lot of pollution, you probably don't want more chemicals going into your lungs so if that was a concern to you, you should probably retrohale, but if you live in an area like I do which has very clean air, I would much rather come into less contact with the smoke overall by french inhaling (regardless of whether it goes into the lungs) than more by retrohaling; plus, to me, I get a more complete flavor profile than I do by retrohale. But that's just my take on it, everyone has their own opinion of course.

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    You guys have got me so confused I don't know what I do anymore!

    But I roll around the smoke in my mouth and get what I need.

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    I say yes to both retro and french.

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    I imagine many of us (myself included) french inhale to some degree unintentionally just by breathing through the nose as we exhale a puff of smoke. But that could arguably be stretching the definition of french inhaling and might be closer to simply inhaling your own second hand smoke.

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    For those who don't, I couldn't recommend it. Why add a wider array of mucosal tissue to your smoke exposure, if you're enjoying your pipe without that?

    If you're smoking indoors without a system to vent the smoke, assuming you're still breathing, then you're inhaling the smoke into your lungs through your mouth or nose. So, I'm not sure retrohaling much matters in that instance.

    One thing I experience is that after a day at a pipe show, or even a few hours smoking indoors at a pipe club meeting, my lungs feel it and not in a good way.

    Had a recent CT scan of my lungs as part of a standard procedure for people in my age group and all was excellent.

    I smoke outdoors only, so yes, I enjoy a good snork.

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    Grats on the CT. but cmon really? you think by smoking outside your good? Your Smoking!!!! LOL.

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    Grats on the CT. but cmon really? you think by smoking outside your good? Your Smoking!!!! LOL.

    Oh hell no. Anyone who thinks smoking is a healthy habit is 52 cards short of a full deck.

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    AHHAHHAHAHAHAAHAA Cheers!

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    I was a cigarette smoker for many years retrohaling is kinda like second nature for me I don’t inhale my pipe but the natural movement of smoke is what I’ve always done

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    I just don't see pipe smoking without the retro-hale.. Youll miss so much flavor.

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