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  1. pstlpkr

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    Since this is Memorial Day Weekend, I thought everyone might wish to honor those who have given their lives in defense of our Freedom.

    This photo is of four great Americans, and worthy of honor.

    They are from left to right:
    Ira H. Hayes, John H. Bradley, John Wayne, Rene A. Gagnon

    While John Wayne didn't actually serve in the military, he repeatedly tried to enlist. His familial circumstances and his age kept him out of service during WWII. Never-the-less when speaking about the part of "Sergeant John Stryker" he said that he wasn't playing John Wayne... he was Stryker. He accepted the role in the film "Sands of Iwo Jima" even though he didn’t want the part at first. He was personally asked to play the part by the “Commandant of the Marine Corps”. When he learned the reason the movie had been written John Wayne accepted. In doing so the Hollywood Hero saved the Marine Corps from being disbanded by Congress for being unnecessary.

    Three of the six that were depicted in Joe Rosenthal’s famous photo and immortalized in the bronze of the Iwo Jima Memorial; Mike Strank (Pennsylvania), Harlon Block (Texas), Franklin Sousley (Kentucky) died in combat.

    The three that returned home are pictured with Sergeant Stryker above, and can be seen in “Sands of Iwo Jima” along with the actual flag raised on Mt. Suribachi.

    Ira H. Hayes, a Pima Indian, upon hearing of the air-raid on Pearl Harbor joined the Marine Corps because he felt it was his duty to defend his country. After basic training he was accepted into parachute training and was nicknamed "Chief Falling Cloud" by his buddies. He was one of forty Marines assigned to summit Mt. Suribachi and one of the six to stake Old Glory atop that dearly purchased hill. Ira Hayes detested being exploited to raise money for War Bonds. He had difficulty dealing with living when so many did not. He drowned in a ditch, broke and drunk. He was 32. (http://phoenix.about.com/cs/famous/a/irahayes01.htm)

    John H. Bradley (Pharmacist's Mate Second Class) served as the Navy Corpsman assigned to E Company, 2nd Battalion, 28th Marine Regiment, 5th Marine Division. To all Marines, Navy Corpsmen are the most respected members of the Navy. The father of eight children refused to talk about his experiences during WWII, and when he was called a hero he would say that "the real heroes were the men who didn't come back". (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=6009)

    Rene A. Gagnon like Bradley and Hayes had his demons as well. He once said that: "Being a hero was a blessing and a curse." Ironically he was fired from one job on Memorial Day, he had been drinking.

    Today Doctors might say these American Combat Veterans suffered from Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome, and they probably did. Some wounds will just never heal and remain with them throughout their lives. Just because a Veteran of combat wasn't killed in action defending our country doesn't mean he hasn't given his life. One might say the lucky ones never came home.

    I for one will celebrate Memorial Day. I will probably Bar-B-Que and have a couple of beers, just like millions of other Americans. I will remember why I can Bar-B-Que, and have that beer. I will watch "Sands of Iwo Jima. I will remember why I can write things like this and, I will remember those that gave their lives so I could.

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    Thank you to all...

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    My late Dad was a tailgunner on the B17 missions based in England. Memorial Day has always been honored here!

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    Thank you Arthur, and thank you Phil.

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    I always enjoy the holidays -- joyous, festive times. Memorial Day is the one exception.
    I celebrate, but not in a happy way. Rather, with gratitude, and wistfully.

    I find myself sitting idly on the line dividing past and future,
    as if I could kill time without injuring eternity. -- Thoreau
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    Thank you and God's blessings to all of those that have served our great country.

    "United States"

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    Thank you Larry, and thank you John.

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    Well if we are reminiscing… My Great Great Great Grandfather served in the Civil War as a doctor, while my Great Great Grandfather also served as artillery in the same war, receiving a Purple Heart, a cannon blew up next to him…

    My Great Uncle served in the US Marine Corp during WWII and was one of the first groups to land on the shores of Japan after the Atomic Bombs were dropped.

    Another uncle served in the US Army during WWII in Europe also receiving a Purple Heart during a bombing; to his death he still carried shrapnel in his legs…

    My father served in the US Navy while my Uncle served in The US Army as a paratrooper in Vietnam and received a purple heart, he was shot in the back.

    I have two nephews that are or are still serving… My youngest Nephew will deploy to Afghanistan next month with the US Marine Corp…

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    Wow, quite a history Phil! Red-blooded American thru and thru!

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    Phil, thank you for reminding me that those to be honored aren't only those that fought for us in this century and the last, but we must also remember those that came before.

    While there were sailors and soldiers on my mother's side of the family going back as far as the Civil War, on my father's side they were all Marines.
    Proudly displayed on a wall in my "Man Cave" is a Marine Corps Recruiting Service poster that has been passed down father to son to me from around 1850. I have always been proud to be a fifth generation Marine. I thought I might share it with everyone.
    Just for a dose of reality: A Private with 30 years in-grade earned $22 a month.

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    Lawrence, that's cool...

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    When one of my son-in-laws returned from duty with the Pacific Seabee's during the first Gulf War, the city closed the airport at Oxnard, Ca. to welcome the boys home. As I entered the gate, there was an old man setting at a card table with a sign that said, "All veterans report here." I walked over and he asked me what branch, from when to when and if I was a Viet Nam vet. He wrote all the info down on a sticker like they use for The Price Is Right TV show and then handed it to me to stick on my shirt. I started not to because of the way we were welcomed home. I didn't want to start any "stuff" you see. I changed my mind. As I was walking around, an old man on an adult tricycle with a purple hooch with gold metalic braid on the back rode up to me, squinted through coke bottle bottomed glasses and read my sticker. He stuck his hand out to shake mine and said, "Welcome home son." I thought, "Where have you been for 21 years. I'll pinch your head off, shxx it down your neck and tie it in a knot so you can't spit it out."
    Then it dawned on me. This was the first stranger to ever welcome me home. It began to rain behind my sun glasses.

    As he rode away a moment later, the sign on the back of that purple hooch said:
    CHINA, BURMA, INDIA. 1938, 1945. Below it was a replice of the Silver Star ribbon. This MAN was one of Merrills Marauders. 1200 MEN went in, 238 returned. The Greatest Generation indeed.

    Every year about this time, those bright blue eyes behind those thick glasses, still so full of life, that wrinkled old face, the craggy outstreched hand, the firm handshake, come back to me and I hope and pray he is somewhere warm and comfortable with soft winds and no war.

    May which ever God you worshiped, give all who gave the supreme sacrifice, give you the rest you so richly deserve. For those still living who served my country and are still serving, THANK YOU.

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    Phil, please express my personal gratitude, and admiration to your nephews.
    Please ask them to be careful, we all want them to return home healthy and whole.

    Welcome Home!

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    Thanks to all those who have served and their families. My uncle was a full Colonel in the Air Force and I was honored to attend his funeral at Arlington Memorial in Washington DC. I was one of the most moving experiences in my life. It was w/ full honors w/ a horse drawn carriage etc. I felt honored to among those heros and will never forget it.

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    A few of you know that I lost a good friend two weeks ago today. He was a proud man that served his country and fellow man well. He was a member of one of the first Special Forces teams to be in Vietnam. He was there before the general public knew about Vietnam. Terry Lambacher squeezed every ounce of life he could out of his 67 years here on this earth... I couldn’t match him if I lived to be 150. I’ve attached an article written about him back in 2009 by a Cleveland reporter that meet and spent sometime with Terry in Vietnam. About 50 of Terry’s closest friends and family celebrated his life a week ago yesterday at his beloved trout club where we spread his ashes in a stream. While many of us puffed on fine cigars and sipped scotch from flasks, the eulogy was delivered by the same reporter that wrote the attached article.

    I highly recommend that you read the attachment and not for me the teary eyed guy typing this but because it’s an amazing story about a real life patriot… I was going to say hero, but my friend wouldn’t have approved.
    http://www.clevelandmagazine.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=586CA122EB394032BD4AA3B686FF03D9&nm=Editorial&type=Publishing&mod=Publications%3A%3AArticle&mid=1578600D80804596A222593669321019&tier=4&id=D710C41AA32A4C28B182CCDE2C7CFFE1

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    Thank you everyone, its amazing how truly great Americans have lived and do live among us. And, we are the richer because they did and do.

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    My father all three wars and 35 years in the marines . Me a navy man . flags are flyin today as they do everyday . Thanks to all the men .

    “There was an awful suspicion in my mind that I'd finally gone over the hump, and the worst thing about it was that I didn't feel tragic at all, but only weary, and sort of comfortably detached.”
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    Thank you Sean.

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    My Grandmother… she didn’t serve in the military, but she work in a factory during WW II in support of our troops. She wore a metal brace from the bottom of her shoe to just below her knee for the remainder of her life due to an accident at work while manufacturing airplane parts.

    To my knowledge she never complained and I can still remember her telling me “this was nothing... we lost a lot of boys during that war.”

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    Rosie the Riveter might be a cliche' but what women of that generation did for this country cannot be understated.
    Those Americans held this country together, while the world was falling apart.
    Not only did they mind the home front they were the force that kept our troops supplied with the best food and equipment, they raised the children, tested and built the latest technologies, and wrote letters. That voice from home....

    This reminds me of a quote from "Sands of Iwo Jima". Mary to Sergeant Stryker: "There are a lot harder ways to make a living than going to war."

    Thank you John.

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    These are some great and touching stories guys!

    Chuck, sorry that you were so mistreated upon your return home. I really hate the way that the majority of the US people acted during that time, but I was just a young 'un at the time. That was the start of the downfall of the way that we act in this country. But enough of that for now. Welcome Home!

    A Big Thank You to EVERYONE who has, is, or will be serving our country and sometimes giving the ultimate sacrifice!

    "When the Government Fears the People, There is Liberty;
    When the People Fear the Government, There is Tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson
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    To all vets and active service men and women
    WELCOME HOME, BE CAREFULL, AND THANK YOY!

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    My Uncle Thomas Ryan was in the Navy during WWII and was lost at sea during the Battle of Guadalcanal. My father Francis Ryan served in the Army stateside during the Korean War. My Grandfather on my mom's side of the family served in WWII and was an assistant assigned to a WWII General in Europe. Thanks to all who served, serve or will serve this country.

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    I am blown away by the postings in this string.
    I am truly touched by the stories and the history that has thus far been shared.
    I want to thank everyone for their contributions.

    I also want to thank the members of the families that have suffered through the separations from, or the loss of their loved ones who have served for us and with us.
    Lastly (the place of honor) I sincerely express my heart felt gratitude to those who have given their lives in defense of the freedom that my family and I enjoy.

    I know this post is a bit maudlin. I make no excuses.
    I have always felt this way about Memorial Day.

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    no apologies for being maudlin needed...as a country we've been blessed in that so many heroes have been willing to serve and defend our values and freedoms.
    don't need Memorial Day to remember them...unfortunately, daily the news media provide reminders that young men and women continue to die in service to our country.
    my dad served in wwII and received a Purple Heart.
    i served during the vietnam "era," but carried loaded weapons only in the streets of newark, nj, during a summer when communities across america erupted in orgies of violence and protest.
    never proud of that particular portion of my service, but 40+ years later still believe strongly that serving your country, however you may be called upon to do so, is actually an honor and prvilege.
    our country needs to understand that as well and to remember service personnel, returning from wherever they have served, need to be honored and respected, otherwise the ultimate sacrifices of those who will never return would have no meaning.
    sounds preachy, i guess, but there it is...
    jr/john

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    Thank you Jr.
    I served during the Carter Administration, my father served 3 tours in Vietnam. I understand what you mean.
    When I volunteered it was "out of vogue" to join the military.
    I felt the mistrust and suspicion that was the legacy of the Vietnam era.
    The locals targeted us for derision and violence.
    I'm glad that the citizenry of this great nation has grown beyond that.

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    This is a day of gratitude for me. It was a quarter of a century before anyone outside of my immediate family thanked me for my efforts as a represenative of American Foreign Policy in Southeast Asia. I'm grateful to live in a land where the Free can speak their minds, which is a freedom paid for by the sacrifice of people that you and I will never meet. Regrettably, patriotism becomes vogue whenever there are sacrifices to be made. It is revolting that our Commander-In-Chief cannot pay his respects at Arlington, but then I remember that this is the same man who would have the disabled Veterans pay for their own medical care in order to save money. Welcome home to the men and women that have paid for the liberties that we enjoy.

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    Thank you Fred.

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    Thank you pstlpkr.

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    I think that these are some of the most moving stories I have ever read. I have served twice in the current "occupation" of Iraq and I guess I never really understood why the general public thinks of us as heroes. Most of us do not see ourselves as heroes, but as people who have to do a job. Every time I rolled outside the wire to go IED hunting, I never thought of it as anything else other than just a means of employment. Now please do not get me wrong, I knew the job was dangerous and not many people want to do it, but it is what it is and it has to be done.
    I guess the people that I always consider heroes are the police, fire, first responders, and the doctors around this nation that make sure we are safe on a day to day basis. Maybe I am just a little naive to what the word 'hero' really means, but I do know that I would feel very uncomfortable with that label placed beside my name.
    I truly respect and honor those before me and will do the same to those after. There is something great to be said about any man or woman who is willing to give their own lives for the safety of others.
    I want to thank all of you that have posted to this thread for taking the time to remember the ones that did this Country of ours a great service and within that service paid the ultimate price for their duty.

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    Thank you Ray.

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    Thanks Ray. You are correct... Those of us who went into harm's way, did so because of a sense of duty and knew that it was a job that needed to be done. The real heroes are the ones that didn't come back. Most of us don't talk much about it. Those who have never been there just don't understand, and I'm OK with that. Enjoying the way things are is reward enough. The trick is to leave it be and move on. After all, the freedom to enjoy life is one of the things we worked to preserve.

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    You are so right Fred. I agree with you 100%. Thank you.

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    For those of you who haven't seen the blog post; I wish this copy and paste from Silvercloud:
    silvercloud said:

    Lawrence, Thank You for this tribute. My son Lucas (Star to his comrades) gave his life for us in 2007. He was killed in southern Iraq.
    Dear readers, please take a moment and visit the tribute pages of my web site. Go here and click on Lucas V. Starcevich. There are a number of pages and links. He was a real man by the most strict definition, and my hero.

    http://www.starcevich.org/

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    All the people who have given their lives for this country breaks my heart. The Vietnam vet specifically touches me deeply. I try to keep them in my prayers as often as I can.

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    Thank you Oppie.

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    Being the Anniversary of D-Day let us all take a moment today to remember all the men who survived and those who did not survive this day in 1944.

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    Thank you Frank.

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    My grandfather on my mothers side was in the Pacific theater, and I had family who fought for Germany. That was time when the greatest generation was victimized by a few madmen. I love reading about the war because it brought about so many technological breakthroughs. It was also a time of honor, in a time of horror. God bless all who were there.
    A shout out to our boys in service now.

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    I made some inquiries within my family.
    "Legend" has it that my family had similar issues as yours did Mick, except it was WWI.

    Thank you Mick.

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    Pistol I have always been fascinated by WW1. When man first met against machines on the battlefield, and chivalry wasn't yet dead. Do you know any really good books on the subject of WW1?

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    Hey Mick,

    Their are not so many books other than history books and periodicals from the early 20th that are concerned with WWI that I'm aware of, however their are several good movies. I don't think that the worlds people were concerned with War literature in the early 20th Century as they were following WWII.

    Gallipoli
    The Blue Max
    Aces High
    Dawn Patrol
    A Farewell to Arms
    Lawrence of Arabia

    For me Gallipoli is the truest to history and it is truly gripping.
    It demonstrates the horror of trench warfare, its futility, and its tragedy.
    I don't believe it was made to glamorize war, nor to vilify war, just to portray actual events through the eyes of its participants.
    Of all of the movies above, Gallipoli does it for me.

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    Yeah I've seen those. Idid watch a great WW1 movie on Netflix called The Red Baron. I thought the air to air combat scenes were much better than Flyboys. I enjoyed the heck out it. I think it was made a couple of years ago. I have always thought that the last chivalry that existed in war was between aces of that period. : Your opponent is hit, and has run out of bullets, and he was left. Much like jousting. Never forgetting that war is hell, and those are real people out there dying. Blue Max was a great one. Cheers.

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    4th of July related- I came home to find that a neighborhood lady has stuck flags on a stick at the base of everyones mailbox, and of course it has her Real Estate Co. promotional card on it too. That really ticked me off. I noticed that several other neighbors have removed her card already, and I removed all of it at my mailbox. She happened to drive by while I was out in the driveway and stopped and asked if she had missed putting a flag at my mailbox. I had to tell her that I had a real problem with her self promotion in the name of a Holiday, and that I was not a "proud American". She looked dumbfounded. It's always about the money these days.

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    i have a four letter word for all vets on this independence day and for many more to come:

    AMEN

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    4th of July related- I came home to find that a neighborhood lady has stuck flags on a stick at the base of everyones mailbox, and of course it has her Real Estate Co. promotional card on it too. That really ticked me off. I noticed that several other neighbors have removed her card already, and I removed all of it at my mailbox. She happened to drive by while I was out in the driveway and stopped and asked if she had missed putting a flag at my mailbox. I had to tell her that I had a real problem with her self promotion in the name of a Holiday, and that I was not a "proud American". She looked dumbfounded. It's always about the money these days. [:cry:]

    What a jerk! Promoting her business in a tacky display of patriotism.

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    Thanks for bringing this thread up Hobie, some amazing stories here.
    To answer Dunendains question on WW1, read "A Rifleman Went To War", you wont regret it.

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    Viet Nam veteran here, and LITERALLY with tears in my eyes I want to welcome home all those that made it back....and my thoughts are always with those that didn't come home.

    I am home but missing a leg, and I for one cannot watch any type of war movie, or read a book about war...I just want to forget the agony, the pain, the suffering, the bloodshed, and the dying of my brothers some in my arms, we actually had two brothers die in my Ranger school/class ... and that was just in Ranger school....war sucks all the way around...let the World be in peace for once!

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    Just in case some are wondering how that dying while in training is possible, let me state that not only is it possible, but every Ranger class that I am familiar with had brothers die while in training....the general public just doesn't hear about it.

    We used to train HARD for 23 (TWENTY THREE) hours a day....and we would have a mission to accomplish, if we didn't complete the training phase for that day, the training continued on into the next 23 hour period...so that would of course mean 47 hours of training in two days with one hours sleep.....this went on for over two Months.....you are running on complete exhaustion ... so death can come very easily...especially with the extreme training we had to endure.

    I believe they have cut down the hours to 21 hours a day of training now.....still 21 hours a day of extremely hard training for two Months will kill, or disable many people.

    Posted 10 months ago #
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    ranger, welcome home brother. I can't help but think if We could get all the world leaders to come togeather and smoke pipes maybe thay could fight over what is the best tobacco and no one would ever see war again, but I know that's just a silly dream of mine, but all in all would be nice.

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    if We could get all the world leaders to come togeather and smoke pipes maybe thay could fight over what is the best tobacco and no one would ever see war again,

    Now that's the only fighting I will agree to, there is way too much violence in the World, I know I've seen enough of it, and I'm tired of it all.
    I don't even like the petty arguing over nonsense anymore, it is all so foolish!

    Thanks for the welcome home Ace, it is good to be welcomed home...after almost one year of solid training(s), and a tour of Nam...to come home and be spit upon by people who's necks I could break in a nano second, it's feels good whenever anyone today at least shows some respect...it was long overdue, and feels so damn good.

    I'm glad at least the troops of today have the home support....we sure as hell didn't....we had to serve a double hell....one over there, and another one from the people at home.

    edit: trying to figure out how to do the quote from other posters...guess I goofed.
    Edit: Just highlight what you want to quote after you paste it in, then click the "quote" button.
    Lawrence (fixed it for you)

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