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Point of Diminishing Returns for Cellared Tobacco?

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  1. coyja

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    Alright, so a few legit questions here regarding the both physical feasibility of storing tobacco in original tins, and questions on ideal aging of tobacco, if such a thing exists.

    The situation: I'm about to have a baby boy, my first, at the ripe old age of (almost) 43. I enjoy pocket knives so I started out with the idea to purchase something unique from this year to store away and give to him at some future milestone that has morphed into a bigger idea to essentially put aside a small box of his old man's favorite things/vices as a time capsule for him to open down the line. In addition to the pocket knife, things like a good bourbon that will only age for the better, a silver dollar from the early 1900s I've had myself since I was kid, etc. are in the mix.

    Considering the closing of McClelland, I'm also considering tossing in a tin or two, since McC's closing coincides very closing w what will be his birthday (due date is the 6th).
    I'm assuming I wouldn't pass this on to him before his 18th or some further on date (college grad, etc), so lets just work on the assumption that I'm talking about 20 years of storage here.

    With this in mind, I could use some advice on the following:

    -Is there a point of diminishing returns for particular leaf/blends of tobacco? Meaning, is there a time period beyond which the aging is possibly degrading? And is any such concern specific to the leaf (i.e. Virginian. english, etc)?

    -Do I need to concern myself with transferring from a tin into a jar? (i.e. will the tin pop due to fermentation over time?)

    Basically, is there a particular tobacco that will truly get better for that long of a period of time, and if so, does it need to be transferred out of the tin ahead of time?
    I definitely don't want to time capsule something that could possible get worse by the end...or pop sometime along the way and I wouldn't know it.

    (FYI, some of the possible tobaccos in the mix are 40th, FMC, FMotT, Deep Hollow, Virginia Woods, Dark Star, and Cajun Dark. Also HH Vintage Syrian)

    Edited by jvnshr: Title capitalization (please check Rule #9)

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  2. sablebrush52

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    You'll be fine leaving these in the tin. The Virginias will continue to ripen for decades, but the Latakia will fade out over time. So smoke your Vintage Syrian, FMC, and FMotT, and put a McClelland Virginia in the time capsule. You'll be glad that you did.

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    Okay thats a big part of what I needed to hear... cause I was concerned it was actually the opposite!
    Thanks!

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    Nothing to add to what sable said because he’s spot on of course , but I did want to say congratulations! My first son just had his first birthday...

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    Thanks much!

    I was mostly worried about fermentation issues w the sugar in VAs, and the ability of the tins to hold up.
    If those are not issues, and I am cleared to smoke my English blends (which, selfishly, I'm good with, lol), then we've quickly covered the necessary bases!

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    I recently was fortunate enough to obtain some 10 and 15 year old 5100. I really couldn’t tell the difference between the 2, both are superb. If pipe tobacco is anything like cigars, the better the tobacco, the better it will age. I would bet the 40th Anniversary will hold up to aging exceptionally well.

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    Thats my thoughts.. the 40th. He can find his own Dark Star, lol.

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    coyja, if I were picking some others, I'd say the Blackwoods Flake and St James Woods. If you have a tin of McCranies Red Ribbon and/or Red Flake, I would think those would age superbly as well. They already have age but given their vintage crops, they should hold up to aging well.

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    40th and any Vintage of Christmas Cheer will be amazing in the coming years.

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    First of all congratulation on your first child.
    About your question I agree with what has already been said you should orient toward Virginia for long time cellaring. An idea I would give to you is getting something unusual such as a plug, I am thinking at Full Virginia Plug as it is something very rare in USA (you have to buy from Europe as it's not imported in the States). Just tonight I had a first bowl of a 10 yo FVF, it was absolutely amazing, I can't think how it would be a 20 yo FVP. A 250 gm brick of FVP would be definitely something unique in your time capsule.

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    I know it isn't one of your interests/vices but a nice idea might be to enclose a decent newspaper or two from the day he was born. Re the bourbon: spirits don't really age once they are bottled, so best to store something which is a little rare and will only get rarer over the years.

    Mike

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    First off, congratulations on your new child. As a side note, I saw this idea a while back, I forget where, but I like it. Open up an e-mail account in your child’s name, then send them messages periodically about how you feel about fatherhood and about them as they grow up. On the kids 18th birthday, give them the address, I know this would have meant a lot to me, to get my fathers thought on being my father as the years went on.

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    God willing in 18 or 20 years you will enjoy sitting with your son and smoking pipes and sharing your tobacco knowledge.

    I am glad we have a good admin and responsible moderators.

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    As far as tins constitution holding up over the long haul, I think the McClelland style tins shouldn't be a problem at all. They're sealed with a fair amount of room/air to grow.
    Mike Mcniel said that aspect is key for long term aging.

    I suppose it's possible that a particularly sugary Virginia could explode after 80 years but I feel like it's a rare occurrence.

    @philobeddoe that's a great idea

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    Congrats!

    I'd forget the booze and put in a decent to excellent newly carved pipe, that would obviously be his birth year pipe.

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    "things like a good bourbon"

    Sadly, once bottled ageing ceases. Spirits only age in the barrel.

    A chap who lives in the manor house up the road bought his first born son a brand new Rolls Royce. He had it delivered and instructed the gardener to brick up the barn where it was carefully placed.

    On his 21st birthday the father just gave the son a hammer and chisel! True story is that.

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    sable' got it. Virginia's ripen. Burley keeps well, and some say it ripens, but not as notably as Virgnia's, maybe. But if we're talking McClelland, we're talking Virginias.

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    [Open up an e-mail account in your child’s name, then send them messages periodically about how you feel about fatherhood and about them as they grow up.]

    I like the idea but way better done in the old style. Buy a leather covered journal with hand made paper and a fountain pen and write it down your memories every day. I have one from my dad and it's priceless.

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    Don't forget to throw in some tins of Escudo, that stuff gets "awesome-r" with years on it.

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    Thanks for all the well wishes and advice... he'll be here any day now!

    -I really like the email option, thats genius, as well as the journal...

    -Interesting to know re: bourbon.... I always thought it at least smooths out more over time.
    Anyhow, I'll still put some in there, lol.

    -Escudo, I nearly bought some yesterday, but I know where it is and can still get it...

    -I'm certainly NOT getting him a Rolls, lol!

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    Do you really think email will still exist in 20 years

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    Alright, really going deep there on this one. LOL!
    I like the journal idea better, in the end.

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    [I like the journal idea better, in the end.]

    Look at this link, they have beautiful journals, expensive but worthwhile for a time capsule.

    https://epica.com/

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    I recently opened McClelland 100 gr. tins from 1986 and 1991. Solid. Storage conditions are the read variable. They can rust from moisture and condensation just like any other metal tin. Inside is out of your control. I’ve opened a whole bunch of McClelland tins over the last 30 plus years. Never a problem but have seen the very beginning of possible problems. All in all, you’re pretty safe with storing this maker for a long time. In my experience.
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    Never opened up any McC cans that hasn't been wonderful

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    This is a wonderful idea. My kids are adults now; wish I'd thought of doing something like this 30 years ago.

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    At the rate prices are already skyrocketing, I might as well just put aside 5 tins of 40th and it'll pay for college!

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    A chap who lives in the manor house up the road bought his first born son a brand new Rolls Royce. He had it delivered and instructed the gardener to brick up the barn where it was carefully placed.

    On his 21st birthday the father just gave the son a hammer and chisel! True story is that.

    "Damn, Dad; this car's two decades old. Whot th' hell??"

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    "Damn, Dad; this car's two decades old. Whot th' hell??"

    It certainly beats a tin of tobacco.........

    "Hey Dad, why did you give me a tin of tobacco....isn't that something folks did in the olden days?"

    Regards,

    Jay.

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    LOL! I just ordered an 8oz tin of Oxford Flake. Thinking of maybe using this as the one... nice amount and from LJP nonetheless.

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    My dad gave me a 1970 Ford Maverick and I wrecked it within 6 months. I wonder how the Rolls Royce made out.

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    -Interesting to know re: bourbon.... I always thought it at least smooths out more over time.
    Anyhow, I'll still put some in there, lol.

    Not in my experience - there are a few craft distilleries that sell un-aged bourbon which you can then age in your own micro-barrel. That would be awesome to be able to crack open a 21 year old bourbon.

    "There's something that doesn't make sense. Let's go poke it with a stick."
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