I don't think I've ever seen any quite like either. They both seem to be a bit differently turned than most.
But I didn't post just to say I don't know, I just wanted to add that I wouldn't take everything the Leo D. Titanic stunt double says for truth. Altho there's some real info there some of it is just made up and not accurate at all.
Anyway why are you asking? As I'm sure others are wondering. I mean I imagine your looking to acquire them but I don't assume and why these in particular?