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Penzance vs Margate....

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    I honestly just can’t figure out what the fuss is over Penzance. Margate just seems like a far superior smoke to me.

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    So, not a problem.

    I know that you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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    So, not a problem.--

    Sorry; duplicate.

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    Haha, was hoping someone could educate me on what I should be experiencing from the Penzance.

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    I like both but there are fairly different to me so I can understand why some folks would prefer one over the other.

    If you like Margate you may also like Pembroke which is Margate that has some cognac added. Again, some folks prefer Pembroke over Margate and some the opposite. I would suggest you revisit these a few times over an extended period before writing off Penzance

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    There is no problem, you're missing nothing. Different strokes. Penzance is not the Holy Grail. Enjoy the Margate and be happy it is way more easy to obtain.

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    Jf Germain just released a new product called 1820 Flake; they say their 1820 Blend is the base for Penzance. Looks interesting and reviews for it so far are very good

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    Margate to me has more of the church incense thing going on than Penzance. It also strikes me as having a briny, almost olive tin note at first. Interesting stuff!

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    Jf Germain just released a new product called 1820 Flake; they say their 1820 Blend is the base for Penzance. Looks interesting and reviews for it so far are very good

    From what I've read on other forums, not even in the same ballpark.

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    Jf Germain just released a new product called 1820 Flake; they say their 1820 Blend is the base for Penzance. Looks interesting and reviews for it so far are very good

    A UK on line shop made that statement. I have smoked 1820 and fail to see any resemblance. Could it be more like Penzance if in Flake form? Well, I suppose all things are possible. But my understanding is that it won’t be available in the US. The only guys I know who have any just got it recently from trades with UK friends. They got pouches, and the flakes were all broken up. Reviews from them aren’t all that favorable.

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    My understanding is that Penzance is pressed Margate. Sure there will be some differences from the pressing but in the end they are essentially the same blend. If you like Penzance better but happen to have Margate on hand buy a noodle press and voila! You now have Penzance.

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    My understanding is that Penzance is pressed Margate.

    It's not. While both are blends Germain's created for private label use, they're different blends from that catalog.

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    It's not. While both are blends Germain's created for private label use, they're different blends from that catalog.

    There was just a recent post by Premal that confirmed that it is. But who knows, maybe he got it wrong too.

    Premal,

    "As far as I knew, Penzance is Margate with something to keep it held together because of the double cut just like Krumble Kake is Our Best Blend.”

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    Looking forward to trying the 1820 Flake as I like Penzance but price wise Penzance is cheaper for me. Availability vs price I suppose...

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    "As far as I knew, Penzance is Margate with something to keep it held together because of the double cut just like Krumble Kake is Our Best Blend.”

    And I've heard it differently from several other sources, including Greg Pease. Steve Richman requested some changes to the Germain's blends that he was offered, so each is a little different.

    There has been this suggestion that the Esoterica blends are a copy of the Smokers Haven blends that has been contested by knowledgeable people on both sides.

    In the end, it doesn't really matter. Margate doesn't taste the same as Penzance.

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    I agree, Margate IS better than Penzance. That being said, I never pass up an opportunity to grab an "unobtanium" when I can at regular retail prices. If for no other reason than I can use it for trade later, or, if I don't need anything at the time...smoke it.

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    I love Margate. I also love Ramsgate. I walked into my B&M and walked out with 2 8oz bags of Ramsgate and one 8oz Margate ($44 each) not 2 weeks ago. Also a tin of HH Vintage Syrian (2016). Since it's become unobtanium, I didn't mind paying the $20 for the tin.

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    Stop wasting money on Penzance and start buying GL Pease Quiet Nights. You can thank me later.

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    In the end, it doesn't really matter.

    Agreed.

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    Some people say cucumbers taste better pickled.

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    I always thought Penzance was the C&D Captain Bob's Blend to Margate's Captain Black Grape? Was I misinformed?

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    Some people say cucumbers taste better pickled.

    Pickles taste nothing like cucumbers! No way pickles could have started out as a cucumber, they’re not even in the same league. Gah!

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    Pickles taste nothing like cucumbers! No way pickles could have started out as a cucumber, they’re not even in the same league. Gah!

    I have heard from multiple reliable sources that pickles used to be cucumbers. All pickles are made by the same farmer that makes cucumbers, they just have a different name now that they have been re-marketed.

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    I love GLP Quiet Nights. My B&M just ordered me and 8oz for my cellar.

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    I have heard from multiple reliable sources that pickles used to be cucumbers. All pickles are made by the same farmer that makes cucumbers, they just have a different name now that they have been re-marketed.

    Ahhhh people are a funny breed. Pipe smoking people are an even funnier breed. Gotta love it.

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    Penzance is pickled Margate.

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    Will people soon be trading Penzance for “vintage” Orlik Nightcap? I know, I’m being a wisea$$.

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    Pickles are just pressed cucumbers with a little latakia added.

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    Mmmm.. pickles and Latakia!

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    Pickles are just pressed cucumbers with a little latakia added

    I think this might be what is in lakeland essence. Mystery solved.

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    To each his own. Funny though, I enjoy all those tobacco’s mentioned but Penzance is my favorite of the bunch.

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    Premal Chheda recently told my friend and co-author Mike Zicha that Penzance is Margate pressed into a crumble cake. My guess is that this is based upon the fact that Smokers' Haven's Krumble Kake was their Our Best Blend (similar to Margate) in crumble cake form. I laid this out in an article in the June 2019 issue of The Pipe Collector, entitled A "Spirited" Battle of English Blends where we examined whether Smokers' Haven Cognac and Esoterica Pembroke were actually the same tobaccos.

    Those of you who follow Marty Pulvers' fantastic estate pipe site, pulverspriorbriar.com, will likely soon see Marty roasting Mike and I over our findings. Marty is a smart and witty fellow. His writings are always fun and interesting and well-written, making regular trips to his website well worth the time, even when he's having fun at my expense.

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    Steve Richman specifically denied, in my presence and that of others at the first show where he distributed samples, that any of the Esoterica blends were “identical” to the Smokers Haven blends. All he ever claimed was that some were “similar.” My memory is that he said that Germain, while not doing business with SH at that time, respected their Intellectual property interest in the development of the recipes and would not make exact duplicates for anybody. There very well might have been some degree of “tweaking” that GLP and the other initial tasters contributed.

    The few shops that I recall who really supported Esoterica in the 1990’s sold at least as much Margate as Penzance. Stonehaven moved slowly. After a few years, very few if any shops carried the full line, though if you wanted a bag of St.Ives they would order it. Steve and, later, Mike Butera were pretty flexible with minimum order requirements or so I recall.

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    Why does this matter so much? They all are whatever they are and they are all fantastic blends. When I get upgraded to first class I don't ask questions about how it happened. I just get on and enjoy the ride.

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    We cracked open a 10 year old tin of Stonehaven today at a Boswells get-together. I'll take Stonehaven over Penzance 10 ways from Sunday. That medicine/menthol flavor doesn't do anything for me.

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    Why does this matter so much? They all are whatever they are and they are all fantastic blends.

    It really doesn't, except for that 1% who have an interest in the history of pipes and tobaccos. If I had to choose between Premal and GLP for information in this particular instance, I'm more inclined toward GLP for the obvious reason that he was involved in the process as a taster/crash test dummy, and Premal wasn't involved. The people who could answer any of these questions are Germain's, and they aren't talking.

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    Pretty tight lipped, those Brits on the Isles. And they don't like folks faffing about with their products!

    Steve Richman would be another solid source, but even if some Esoterica blends were exact matches to some of Smoker's Haven's, it might have been prudent to not say so.

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