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  1. dethmutt

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    I've already professed my love for Carter Hall. Today I bring you Captain Black. Again I'm amazed with this one right out of the pouch. Lights, burns, and flavorful.

    I'm amazed, I would never have thought Capt Black would be worth smoking.

    Im frightened by the grape. But I will try the others!!

    Dethmutt

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    You've found a tobacco that you like, is inexpensive and readily available almost everywhere. What more could one ask for?

    Carry on and enjoy. Don't even give a sideways glance at the inevitable negative comments you're going to get regarding your tobacco preferences.

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    Smoke what you like and like what you smoke

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    Captain Black White is a favorite of mine. It has a special place for me in smoking early in the mornings with my coffee while contemplating my day.

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    Captain Black is not a bad blend. I smoked it for years until I found the Lane Limited equivalents. The Lane equivalents have less PG in them.
    CB White is Lane RLP-6
    CB Blue is Lane 1Q
    CB Gold is Lane MV-1000

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    Yep, theres a reason its still out there all over the place

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    RLP-6 was the first blend I fell in love with. Still smoke it on occasion and it never fails to give me a pleasant smoke.

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    1Q goes great with coffee

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    I absolutely loved Captain Black, and for years it was my primary smoke. Can't abide it now, because of the chemical aftertaste I didn't used to notice. But I would still recommend it as a great Vanilla aro.

    Likewise with Carter Hall, I smoke Chatham Manor as it's very close to Carter Hall, just without the chemical aftertaste.

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    Wonder if anyone is cellaring CB...

    Not the sweet, new grass with flowers is this harvesting of mine;
    Not the upland clover bloom...
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    I liked cb white but for otc where i live it is over $8 a pouch and carter hall is just over $3

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    I love CB Dark, but don't be afraid of the grape. A bit like grape soda.

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    Wonder if anyone is cellaring CB...

    I have a few cans.

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    I like a number of OTC and also pouch tobaccos less known to U.S. smokers. Among OTC special favorites, Sir Walter Raleigh Aromatic has a nice balance with a burley base, Virginia as a condiment, and flavored with three liqueurs. If it were difficult to buy and expensive, it would be one of those unicorns. Embers put me onto Mixture No. 79, which is a joke punchline, but also as he pointed out, pretty good.

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    thanks Ray for the equivalents.. Ill have to check out RLP-6 for sure!!!

    mso Last time I tried SWR aro it was very chemical. But It may be time to try it again... I still have a pouch somewhere.

    never tried Mix 79. Ive heard horror stories and good things.. LOL

    The more I get into smoking a pipe, the more (it seems) the dimestore blends had it right to begin with..

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    The more I get into smoking a pipe, the more (it seems) the dimestore blends had it right to begin with..

    Please, continue to believe this. Leaves more Gawith & Hoggarth for the rest of us.

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    "Don't even give a sideways glance at the inevitable negative comments you're going to get regarding your tobacco preferences."

    Good advice, there. I'm with Jesse; that chemical taste (and high moisture from the PG) is pretty off-putting. I still enjoy it once in a while, but those two things keep it from being a staple for me.

    Negative comments about the tobacco you prefer are one thing. Negative comments about you preferring it should be ignored as the BS it is.

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    It is generally agreed that aging is not beneficial for aromatic tobacco, so very few cellar the CB blends or their Lane equivalents.

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    Granger that's been aged is absolutely fabulous

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    Wonder if anyone is cellaring CB...

    I have a few cans.

    Me too. I still like it, still keep an open 14oz tub of the white label around. At a slow burn, this stuff smells great.

    Chatham Manor’s a pleasant staple as well.

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    Olkofri,

    Cant say. My intro into Lakeland arrives tues. But ill be sure to let you know.

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    It is generally agreed that aging is not beneficial for aromatic tobacco, so very few cellar the CB blends or their Lane equivalents.

    That's in comparison to blends that change with aging. Aros when stored airtight will often taste exactly as they did when jarred.

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    The more I get into smoking a pipe, the more (it seems) the dimestore blends had it right to begin with..

    Please, continue to believe this. Leaves more Gawith & Hoggarth for the rest of us.

    When you can find it with its ever increasing price. I can still get a 14 ounce tub of CH, PA, SWR, or CB locally for under $30.

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    I can still get a 14 ounce tub of CH, PA, SWR, or CB locally for under $30.

    This is why drugstore blends are still around - not because they are better, but because they are inexpensive and easily available. They are the MacDonald's of the pipe tobacco world. If you like them, smoke them by all means.

    The closest I get are Lane Ready Rubbed (formerly a drugstore blend as Edgeworth), a couple of Amphora blends (the brown used to be in drugstores), and the occasional old time MacBaren blend, which also used to sold in drugstores.

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    1Q goes great with coffee

    1Q goes well with tea too, especially the floral type Oolongs and Pu-erhs. I'm having it as I type with a nice, aged sun-died Qianjiazhai black & flower tea from cake.

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    I actually enjoy the taste of SWR aro, some of the Captain Black, HGL, and other Sutliff offerings. Unfortunately, my mouth gets very sore and tacky feeling after I smoke anything with heavy amounts of PG.

    I keep a tub of SWR regular in homage to my grandfather, it's ejoyable every so often and doesn't tear up my mouth.

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    SWRA is some really good stuff. I've also gotten to like CB Copper quite a bit. It's almost like a cleaner, more straight tobacco-forward CBW. I've put away many cans of each in the last couple years.

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    Okay, this is as good a place as any to confess this:

    I actually like Captain Black Grape.

    The tobacco component is of reasonable quality, it's not goopy, and the favoring isn't as sickeningly sweet as one might expect. If you like Grape Nehi or the Tootsie Pops with the blue wrappers, and you have a sense of humor and like to try things just for the hell of it, I actually recommend you give the grape a try.

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    The Captain was the first pipe tobacco I ever tried. I haven't had it in a while but it isn't bad. As far as drug store blends go; I occasionally mix a half and half mixture of Five Brothers and Smokers Pride black cavendish, when I'm in the mood for something sweet.

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    Captain Black white was my first pipe tobacco. I prefer the royal better. I have a couple Masson jars and recently got a tub of it when it went on sale. It came wit a $10 P&C cash. I put that towards a pound of 1Q. I just saw they have $20 P&C cash if you buy a tub of captain copper.

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    Been on an OTC kick lately. Mixing Five Bros. 50/50 with CH. Easy mild smoke with a decent nicotine kick.

    "May my last breath be drawn through a pipe, and exhaled in a jest." Charles Lamb
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    I used to be quite a fan of several of the OTC brands in the US.

    CB, BR, CH, SWR, AM...

    I just took up the pipe again after many years and going to start off with Orlik Golden Sliced as my first foray into tinned flake tobacco

    The old Amphora was my favorite OTC of all that I tried, so I bought a pouch of the Full Aroma and put it in a mason jar just the other day. The pouch note did not smell anything close to the old blend so we will see how it fares when lit. I'm quite skeptical about it but heard good things about the Black Cavandish. I have 2 pouches that arrived today!

    Always have some Borkum Riff Bourbon Whiskey around if there is a pipe in my house as I like to 50/50 it with Captain Black Original...it's my "Black Whiskey Blend".

    It's going to be interesting to see if I still have some fondness for these old staple OTC blends after I smoke some tinned up yummies!!

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    You can buy Lane for $25 a pound.

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    I see that and will be trying some serious blending soon!

    Anyone know off hand who makes an eqiv. or better in bulk similar flavor profile toBorkum Riff Bourbon Whiskey

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    Anyone know off hand who makes an eqiv. or better in bulk similar flavor profile toBorkum Riff Bourbon Whiskey

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    Yaddy:

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    I'll second the Chatham Manor and the Prince Andrew as well. Never lets me down

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop smoking my pipe
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    Stopped into Walgreens today for toothpaste and Biotene. they had Capt Black! 2 pouches.. I asked for both.. Holy hell they were 12$ a piece!!! I think Ill order online from now on!!!!!

    Olkifro. just smoked ennerdale. and loved it!!!!! Got bright, and some bogie.. Sorry you now have competition for it..

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    and yes I bought both.

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    Always fun to see pics of Esoterica's manufacturing process.

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    Oh hush Embers,,, Its a nice quick smoke. I have good tobacco for the weekend. during the week I just want a fast smoke.

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    Oh hush Embers,,, Its a nice quick smoke. I have good tobacco for the weekend. during the week I just want a fast smoke.

    I was talking about Esoterica, not yours.

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    The only OTC I've tried is SWR and I enjoyed it.

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    Likewise with Carter Hall, I smoke Chatham Manor as it's very close to Carter Hall, just without the chemical aftertaste.

    Hoping your right. I just bought a tub from P&C. Seems to get good reviews and most say they like it better then Carter Hall. The wait now begins.

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    Gonna have to check out Chatham Manor.. although Id hate it to be better, as I have about 10 buckets of CH in the closet.. Its so nice with Perique added in!!!!!

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    I used to do a lot of OTC smoking some years ago, but once I found the more expensive stuff I basically stopped. I only smoked a bowl every couple days so the extra cost averaged out to only a buck or two a week. Now I'm smoking a couple bowls a day and starting to like bulks more than the pricey tins. I did get a Carter Hall pouch recently and it was OK. I had the last of a few samples of stuff from the local Tinderbox, maybe a bowl's worth each of 4-5 blends. I mixed all that and the CH together and it was a tastier mix to me. Never did like many of the flavored OTC blends though. Too artificial tasting.

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    I really like many of the "old codger" OTCs for the most part; and, Prince Albert is my go-to all-day smoke. While I will usually have a morning and evening bowl of something like: Mixture 965, Presbyterian, Haunted Bookshop, Philosopher, Sherlock's Choice, or Revelation, everything in my bowl begins, ends, and revolves around Prince Albert.

    By my pallet, here's how the OTCs and I got along:

    1. Prince Albert - My main tabak; I am one with the Prince, and I buy him buy the tub.
    2. Carter Hall - Not too dissimilar to PA, a tad bolder than PA, but is missing something in PA which CH does not exhibit.
    3. Mixture 79 - Bolder still, and a very interesting "collision" of multiple tastes with a woody-earthy flavor.
    4. Half & Half - Works, but not really a fan. Smoke tastes better than the strong pouch note (which reminded me of Mennen SpeedStick).

    - Sherm Natman

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    Mac Baren - Amphora Original Blend is the best of the modern OTC tobaccos. No chemical taste and a very nice flavor.

    In France you get a good selection of OTC like Mac Baren - Amsterdamer (Amsterdamer Blends), St.Claude and Caporal. In Italy you have, Italia, Comune, Golf and Forte. Some are very natural tasting with enough strength.

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    The term OTC doesn't mean much where I live as the newsagents and supermarkets round my way seem to stock less and less pipe tobacco but if they can still be classed as an OTC then Condor Long Cut gets my vote and I'm waiting on a delivery of Walnut/Original Flake which I have heard good things about.

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    For financial convenience I’ve been smoking a 50/50 mix of Prince Albert and Carter Hall for quite a long time now. It’s okay but doesn’t satisfy like the Latakia blends I love.

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    I owe the reason why I smoke a pipe today to Captain Black (White)... I personally don't like it myself but the aroma of it while someone else is smoking it is just divine, it's intoxicating. It's the entire reason why I've decided to try out smoking a pipe. I also like several OTC's, mostly the European kind but I can dig Velvet and Prince Albert from time to time, they are good 'dumb reaches'. I'll probably get some CB from time to time to smoke it around my daughter to give her fond memories of her Papa, although these days, that's probably considered child abuse.

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    Hawky, yes it is child abuse. Send all your Condor and St. Bruno to me to be disposed of

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    mostly the European kind

    What are some of the European OTCs? Can any be had in the US? Would any European pouch (e.g. John Bull) qualify?

    I read in the G&H description of their Scotch Mixture (a new love) that it's "the most popular Latakia blend in Europe", which had me scratching my head, mostly because it's not cheap. If that's a European OTC, then I for sure want to try more of those.

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    I think St Bruno is a European OTC: it used to be the 'working man's blend' if I'm not mistaken. Amphora is probably another. Yes, you can order both from SPC.

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    I have a great fondness for Captain Black. That's another post all together.

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    After trying through quite a number of the OTC pouches, I settled on SWR as my one pouch blend I like to keep. RLP-6 is my aromatic, but I used to put some mcclelland turkish ribbon with it...I have some of the ribbon but it suddenly got more precious? Anyone got a bulk oriental they can recommend for blending?

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    C&D makes a blending oriental here:

    Izmir Turkish

    I ordered some and smoked a bowl straight up and it's excellent, however I haven't tried blending anything with it yet. Get's good reviews but probably won't compare to McClelland.

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    The Prince (original) and a cob?

    The simple pleasures are bliss.

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    I keep making my way through all the codger blends I can get looking for the one. The one I always want on hand. I haven't nailed one down yet but it has been a fun journey.

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    Diamondback - That specific combination - PA + MM - is one of the consistent root joys in my life. I would say also, that it is likely one of the best starting points for someone looking to be introduced to pipe smoking. - Sherm Natman

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    I love OTC tobaccos, I guess because it's all I ever smoke and if it was alright for my grandpa then it's alright for me. I like searching around gas stations and pharmacies for blends I haven't seen or tried. I can imagine that smoking OTC is like smoking phille blunts and when you smoke good stuff for a while and go back it makes you wonder why you even smoked it in the first place. Still love OTC

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    Captain Black is mainly all I have available to me at the local tobacconist. Great price. Tin/pouch note, flavor - no tongue bite. Pleasant room note. What more could you ask for! 1Q and RLP-6 are my favorites.

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    Aside from St Brunos&Condor Some Most Popular and good quality OTC's here on the old continent,Mc Barens Scottish Mix,Golden Extras, All Amphoras brands,various Orlik brand offerings, Borkum Riffs and Clan Original,moreover there are many locally produced names which aren't exported anywhere out of native'production country, especially in France, Italy and Germany.

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    I'm a big fan of Granger! Could smoke it all day...

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    Finally pulled the trigger on St Bruno. meh wasn't impressed.. it was a good smoke I think I was looking for something that wasn't there... (I had heard Lakeland like) but its a solid smoke!

    I also got a tub of Capt Black Grape. I cant explain it.. It has become my after work smoke. loaded up in a cob, its a quick smoke, with strangely a great flavor. It burns fast which makes it great for an after work quick smoke. Late nights I peek into the cellar. O.o

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    Need to get some Grangers later,love that tub' Art

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    Yes I do, but I grabbed a pouch of Prince Albert today while visiting tobacco shops. Grainger is next on the list!

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