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Online Retailers for Canadian Pipe Smokers?

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  1. pipenscotch

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    So as a Canadian, I have to endure some of the most backwards and ridiculous taxes when buying my tobacco. As I'm sure many of you know, or have experienced, a 50g tin of tobacco on average costs me around $32-37 when bought at a local shop.

    I've ordered from smokingpipes.com before, but my package was dinged at the border, and I ended up paying more for the taxes than I did for the tobacco.

    I've heard good things about pipesandcigars.com, but I've heard the best customer service (for those afflicted by horrendous tobacco tax) comes from 4noggins.com

    So have any of you Canadians out there ordered from 4noggins.com, and have recommendations? Or is there another online retailer out there that can provide better service?

    pipenscotch

    “The fact is, Squire, the moment a man takes to a pipe, he becomes a philosopher. It’s the poor man’s friend; it calms the mind, soothes the temper, and makes a man patient under difficulties. It has made more good men, good husbands, kind masters, indulgent fathers, than any other blessed thing on this universal earth.”
    -”Sam Slick, The Clockmaker”
    Posted 6 years ago #
  2. damnyak

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    Hey Pipescotch, I am new to ordering from the US as well, from my "studying" 4 noggins had a fairly high shipping cost to Canada, I've ordered from smokingpipes.com shipipng is reasonable, and got through no tax or duty, I ordered 200g. I have also ordered from Boswell's. Dan was super helpful again I ordered 7 0z, which is is about 200g and it came through without getting dinged. I don't know why? I know buying tobacco here is insane, and stuff going through the boarder whether it gets hit or not baffles me. I have even ordered $400 hiking boots and I didn't get hit.. I think its just luck of the draw my friend!

    -damnyak AKA Double-Goofy.
    Posted 6 years ago #
  3. bigvan

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    Pipes2smoke.com is located in Toronto. Pipes are a bit more high end, but their Compton's line of tobacco is first rate. Give it a shot!

    Posted 6 years ago #
  4. damnyak

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    Bigvan, went to check out the Pipes2smoke website, and it states..."No Canadian sales accepted - as per Section 13.(1) of the Federal Regulations governing the sale of tobacco in Canada."

    Seems kind of moot? No?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  5. nsfisher

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    A Canadian based Company that won't ship to Canada, now that makes alot of sense.

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    Posted 6 years ago #
  6. bigvan

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    Sorry about that... I had no idea.

    Posted 6 years ago #
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    I've had great service through 4noggins. You can choose different shipping methods at different costs, if you can wait awhile it's not very expensive. (Note- I said "if you can wait"...) I've done the expensive shipping option, and it was extremely quick to arrive here in Ottawa. I do the second option now, so it's slower but you still get a tracking number.

    I'd really prefer to support the local B+M's, and I still purchase from them occasionally, but as noted above the prices are so unreasonable compared to online. (Edit- it's not their fault, of course...) Even with shipping charges, I find I'm still ahead of the game.

    "A Canadian based Company that won't ship to Canada, now that makes alot of sense."

    Only in Canada, eh?

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    Posted 6 years ago #
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    Yes I do agree, 4noggins is my favorite. I deal with them exclusivly now.

    Posted 6 years ago #
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    I'm in Ontario and I've bought all my tobacco from the the states, my last pound got hit with duty, but even with shipping, duty and tax added it was still half the price of local B&M prices.

    It's also the first of 16lbs that I've had to pay duties and taxes on.

    Samuel Gawith goes for $26/50g plus HST thats $29.38/50g

    I paid 90.50 for 500 grams of FVF including shipping and exchange, duty and HST at the border were $50.22 thats $140.72 or $14.07/50 grams.

    Posted 6 years ago #
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    Because here in Canada there are different tax rates on tobacco depending on province so shipping between provinces is a problem also I do believe its against the law to mail tobacco sales within Canada so that is likely why the Canadian store only ships to USA.

    Keep your stick on the ice!....Barry....
    Posted 6 years ago #
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    I'm in BC, we just had ANOTHER hike on tobacco, starting April 1st 2018.

    "During yesterday’s provincial budget announcement, the BC NDP announced another tax increase on tobacco beginning on April 1, 2018. The tax rate on cigarettes will rise from 24.7 cents to 27.5 cents per cigarette, which is equivalent to a hike from $49.40 to $55 per carton of 200 cigarettes.

    The increase is forecast to generate an additional $95 million for the provincial government for the 2018-19 fiscal year, which will grow BC’s tobacco tax revenues to a total of $825 million per year.

    This will be the second tax hike on tobacco in BC in six months, with tax rates on cigarettes going up on October 1, 2017 from 23.9 cents to 24.7 cents per cigarette.

    All of this is on top of other taxes, including the federal and provincial sales taxes and the federal excise tax. The average combined taxation in Canada on cigarettes is about 70% of the retail price."

    This quote just mentions cigarettes but pipe tobacco (ALL forms of tobacco) is included as well. Up to $10 more per tin at my local tobacconists. Unreal. Pipe community, feel my pain! Pray for me. And for a consistently custom/duty-free online shipping source.

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    Tobacco in Canada is dead. People should all just stop buying tobacco (from within Canada, you can get a lot of Tax Free cigars in one trip) and wait 10 years for public opinion to open up to the idea of recreational tobacco again.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  13. coldsmoke

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    I use the following stores in order of preference:

    4Noggins.com
    CupoJoes.com
    Smokingpipes.com
    Tobaccopipes.com

    Posted 1 year ago #
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    Rant beginning now ....... I also live in BC. There used to be 8 ( yes eight ) true pipe shops in the Vancouver area. Between tobacco taxes, anti smoking laws, and land lords not wanting tobacco selling stores on their properties, there is only one shop in Vancouver. City Cigar, which as the name suggests is a cigar shop, but also has an excellent selection of pipes, and pipe tobaccos. FWIW including some McClelland's for anyone willing to pay CDN / BC prices. Around $52.00 per 50 gram tin.

    To acquire a tobacco retailers license in BC ( last time I checked ) was a $40,000.00 CDN ( per year ) cost. A wholesalers license was $100,000.00 per year cost. As a retailer you must license or are restricted, by the license, on the size/s quantities you are permitted to sell. So depending on the license you may be limited to selling quantities less than 8 oz, in a single purchase. These figures are from about a decade ago, when I was seriously looking at retailing / wholesaling GLP tobaccos for Canada.

    I suspect pipes2smoke is under similar restrictions, being in Ontario. Plus they ( Maxim ) would need to collect and submit exacting records of all he sold within Canada. For all non Ontario sales he would be required to submit the tobacco taxes for each region he sold to. That alone is a huge undertaking. He would also be required to have an Ontario tobacco retailers license and if it's as costly as BC, that ends that pretty quickly.

    I cannot say for other provinces, BUT in BC, we may not smoke in a pipe / cigar shop. The shop may not allow clients to touch tobacco products. The shop may not legally give a client a free sample of any tobacco product. So no offering even a single bowl / cigar to a good client. `

    The days of the cordial pipe shop, in which one may sit, enjoy a bowl and chat with staff are gone in BC.

    On a side note ... according to our federal governments records .... only 14% of the population smokes. They acquired these numbers through calculation of tobacco tax collection. As I do not buy my tobacco in Canada, I am not counted as a smoker. I know of very few Canadian pipe smokers that purchase their tobacco in Canada!

    Rant off......

    Regards
    Michael J. Glukler - who will now go back into his cave, light his pipe, and gripe about tobacco prices in BC!!!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  15. mikethompson

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    Thanks for the insight Michael!

    Virtually all of the Canadian pipe smokers I've met on this forum buy their tins from the states and not from local brick and mortars or online sources. Its simply too expensive. Now I've seen behind the curtain and know how expensive it is for retailers too.

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    Apparently, Americans are doing something very right, how comes, all consumer goods, prices on fuel, cars, and groceries are all cheaper than anywhere else in the western world' I find that phenomenal and really interesting,

    Paul The Scandinavian'
    Posted 1 year ago #
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    The first pouch of tobacco I bought, 24 years ago, was Brigham Buttered Rum. I can't remember what I paid but it was also the last tobacco I ever bought in Canada. I live in Ontario. As a sidenote, it wasn't a very good tobacco.

    In my opinion, our gov't is stupid because pipe smokers just find better alternatives. I take advantage of the 200 gram duty free limit per person, any time we travel to the USA, or my family travels to the USA. It's simple, just ship 8 tins to wherever I'm staying and bring them back tax free!

    There are also a few online shops in the USA that will send you what you want and accomodate you.

    It's just too easy to find alternatives. All Canada did was kill local business, but, Canada is great at killing business, we are almost experts at it. We live in a global world and if things aren't fair, people find a way to make them fair.

    I understand why Maxim didn't sell to Canadians (I believe he stopped selling period now), it's not worth the hassle and it's illegal to mail tobacco products in Canada. Why bother when there are 390 million people, 90 miles south, that are willing to buy.

    I have a business that sells things online. Even though I'm based out of Ontario, 85% of sales go to USA and international. It's actually cheaper for me to send a parcel to Hawaii, or Alaska, that it is to send a parcel to my next door neighbor, that's how silly Canada is.

    Canada was a really great country years ago. Now it's less great. It's still better than most (to quote Johnny Miller), but we are slowly killing it. Yes, we have healthcare, which I love and which is pretty great, but it's become a country that is un-affordable to live. Housing prices are stupid, taxes are stupid, energy prices are stupid, cost of living is stupid. Pipe tobacco, lucky, is easy to deal with. The guy who makes $100K a year and thinks he has a great job, has a much harder time when the average stick-built house in need of massive renovation costs a million dollars plus... Rant off.

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  18. olkofri

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    Can you bring more than 200 grams when going outside the country? Apparently the duty regulations specify we can bring in up to 5 (five) units of tobacco products, and 200 g of manufactured tobacco is only 1 (one) unit.

    I'll be travelling to Europe within a month, God willing, and I plan on bringing in as much pipe toby and cigars as I can. But guess I should ask you fellow travelling pipers first, lest I run into a situation at the customs till.

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  19. bassbug

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    Straight from the horse's mouth (or, as I prefer to refer to our government, the horse's ass)

    http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/travel-voyage/declare-eng.html#_s8b4

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  20. loneredtree

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    I read the above link. What is a tobacco stick? Sounds like rope. If so, how long is a stick? How heavy? Sounds like a loop hole..Which I doubt.

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  21. bassbug

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    Tobacco sticks are actually closer to cigarettes. The government of Alberta defines them as:

    “tobacco stick” means a product that meets the definition of a cigarette except that at the time of sale to the consumer it is not wrapped in the paper wrapper required for smoking, and where any tobacco stick exceeds 90 mm in length, each 60 mm or less of the tobacco stick shall be considered to be a separate tobacco stick.

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    I feel badly for our Canadian brothers. The US has the stupid Cuban embargo, yet getting Cuban cigars shipped here is simple. If I were a Canadian I would be using any source who was willing to ship to me in nondescript packaging avoiding customs all together. I wouldn't give them one damn dime tax wise.

    Harris
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    One must remember that Canadian tobacco taxes are not designed for revenue. They are designed to stop tobacco use, period.

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    Hey all figured i would throw my 2 cents in the ring here. As a fellow canadian from ontario i have recently been bulking up my cellar before the axe drops. All my tobaccos are coming state side. In the past month i must have brought in at least 4 lbs of various tobaccos from different sellers and still have at least 2 lbs on the way. So far have not been dinged at the boarder for anything. Could be luck...not sure.
    Retailers i use are: smoking pipes, boswell, milan tobaccos, hiland cigars, iwan ries and co., pipes and tobaccos.
    All very good retailers and quality shipping.
    Good luck

    Keep calm...smoke a pipe.
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  25. paulie66scandinavian

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    Now when I hear all this directly from You Canadian friends reminds me much of what our country Finland-Eu has turned into...

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    You ain't seen nothing yet, where Marxism goes, Hell follows suit. Marxism/Hell is paved with good intentions. They all know what's better for you, your family, your health and most importantly, your freedom and happiness.

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    Aro you have an IM.

    There are a few Canadian tobacconists online but the prices are just as outrageous as a physical store.

    like this

    Posted 1 year ago #
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    And with interprovincial shipping of tobacco restriction, it's pretty pointless for a tobacconist to have an online presence in Canada.

    Posted 1 year ago #
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    So I have about two dozen pouches of pipe tobacco I want to part with, an I allowed to sell it? I’m in Ontario, Duty has been paid on the product, but I wonder about the legality of it as I cannot smoke do to health reasons

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    By the letter of the law, probably you can't sell it out of province, but you can certainly sell in-province, and there's lots of pipe smokers in ON who would be interested, depending on what you have. If it's pouches of drugstore type stuff, you may not find a lot of interest.

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    @marty...check your PMs

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    @MikeThopson, seems like Your prices are very close(perhaps only very little higher, though) to prices what we are seeing here up in Scandinavia, Finland, Sweden&Denmark

    Posted 2 months ago #

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