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  1. uberam3rica

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    Baccy is expensive, and I have a bank account of around $1. Granted I was at school so I couldn't make money, but I got things I gotta pay off, so it looks like I wont be getting new baccy or pipes for awhile. My dad told me the other day that I have caviar tastes on a burger budget, which is true I like expensive things that I cant afford. Does anyone else share this plight?

    As long as I got a pipe full of baccy and a nose full of snuff, I'm a happy camper
    Cigarettes are an addiction, cigars are a hobby, pipes are a religion
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    My parents are poor too, so it's not like I can say "Hey dad can you loan me 40 buck for some baccy?" I heard about this guy who mad a website asking people for a dollar. He made a considerable amount of money, although I don't know how long it took

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    I used to work 2 jobs, one part time at the gas station and full time as a line cook. I recently got a job as an assistant manager at the gas station, and I gave up being a line cook, and seeing as how my roommates were a bunch of meth heads, I moved back in with my folks for the time being. When I was living with the meth heads, I built up a good pipe collection from Ebay and some cheap but quality pipes from online e-tailers. I am now sitting at 40 some odd pipes. As for tobacco, I never had a big cellar when I lived away from home, but now that I am back, I am using this opportunity to build a cellar up before I head out again. I make pretty decent money as an assistant manager and am pretty responsible with my finances, so I wind up doing OK in the long run. It helps that pipe tobacco is a lot more cost efficient than other forms of tobacco use.

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    My problem is I live in a small town with few jobs. The closest town is almost 20 miles round trip and the job outlook isn't much better. I work parttime at mcdonalds, and its very hard to become full time. Its the only place in town where teenagers under 18 can get a job, so they have a lot of employees. ALso its winter, so things tend to slow down and everyone gets less hours

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    ALso its winter, so things tend to slow down and everyone gets less hours

    I hear you on that one, brother. I get lucky because at the gas station, I am forced to cover shifts when someone calls in, so my problem is that I wind up having a ton of hours for a two week period and don't get enough time to smoke or do anything else that I would like, but I have some extra cash for tobaccos. My girlfriends hours are getting cut as well as my moms and dads, and they are cutting back all the part time people at the gas station too. Hang in there man. Itll get better.

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    I know it will. I'm in a dying town in the middle of nowhere. It cant get much worse

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    When I worked in a convenience store, every one of us smoked and we were allowed to smoke behind the counter. I smoked nails back then, but a pipe would have made for a nicer shift.

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    Yup, Im a college student...anything else to say, I get alot of my stuff from my club, i get decent discounts

    Congress seems to believe that 'Children are our future' is a phrase coined by tobacco advertisers.
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    When I worked in a convenience store, every one of us smoked and we were allowed to smoke behind the counter

    The nature of the work and the weather outside doesnt make for optimum smoking conditions during a shift. The one time I tried, I got a bunch of dopey looks from a bunch of local teenage stoners. What a bunch of shcmucks. That being said, snuffing while at work makes my nights a little more manageable.

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    Yep it's tough all over. I have been unemployed for nearly a year now and nothing promising in sight. No Mercedes-Benz or Dunhills in the future for me either!!!

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    And I live in Michigan which is in pretty bad shape as a whole

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    Dunhills? We don't need no stinking Dunhills!....OK, I lied. I would really really like a Dunhill.

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    Right now I'd like just about any pipe. I've got PAD, but no money. Oh and this is off topic but DID the deal for the pirate cake go through with adam?

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    Always think, there is always someone worse off than you somewhere.

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    My Dad used to say the same thing about me.

    And I still have this tendency. I've become smarter about it though.

    Be happy with the pipes you've got, buy in bulk online, and you should be okay with even a small budget.

    "Under all speech that is good for anything, there lies a silence that is better. Silence is deep as eternity; speech is shallow as time."

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    This is the way it goes my friend. What are you going to school for?

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    Oh and this is off topic but DID the deal for the pirate cake go through with adam

    The Pirate Kake is indeed spoken for. I had another offer that got lost in the shuffle. I am currently in the works to trade some more tobacco though, so stay tuned. I will definitely keep you in mind once I get things sorted out.

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    Im going to school for the culinary arts

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    Sweet. Cooking is cool. Does your schooling offer you some kind of job placement help after graduation?

    I always wondered how chefs were able to get their jobs at fine restaurants. It seems like they would need a portfolio of sorts of their cooking experience. No restaurants hiring in your area eh?

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    Yes they place me. THere arent any resurants in my area really. The closest is big boys and a steak house. bothr are a 18-20 miles away round trip. and i have no car

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    No mass transportation in your neck of the woods?

    "I was born to lose. So I'll die to win." -Breaking Benjamin
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    In Italy it's impossible to send and receive tobacco by mail for many reason that I don't know.Anyway if you think there's no problem with american custom i could try to send you some italian tobacco.Of course i must not include in the bag the name of the sender due to italian law.Not sure if the bag could arrive to you with a similar shipping but if you agree simply PM to me your complete address an I will do
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    Been working since I was 15, counting "real jobs".

    Have worked two jobs, and even 3 at times.

    Some folks make a lot of money, some folks don't. Can't be mad at either one.

    You have a pipe or two. Stop collecting them. Start buying tobacco. Buy it faster than you smoke it. Eventually, you will have a bit of a cellar going, and you will be on your way.

    "To seek freedom is the only driving force I know. Freedom to fly off into that infinity out there."
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    No mass transportation in your neck of the woods?[quote]
    Nope. I live in like a 3 square mile town.

    [quote] You have a pipe or two. Stop collecting them. Start buying tobacco. Buy it faster than you smoke it. Eventually, you will have a bit of a cellar going, and you will be on your way


    I can stop buying pipes for now. I always want more, its how ive always been, but I can be happy with the pipes I have. I haven't finished a tin of baccy yet, though i have finished some otc pouches when I first started. I want to work on my cellar, I just need to get some money. I wont be back to work till next week or so due to schedule problems

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    See if any backy sites do student discounts? Worth a shot!

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    Thats not a bad Idea. it would certainly be nice

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    There is always a way... Just keep at it and set reasonable goals. Most of the pipes I own were purchased for less than 50 dollars. The majority of them are from great makers, Sasiniei, GBD, Peterson, Savinelli etc etc, you just have to shop around. I have been collecting for 14 years, and when I was starving as a 18 year old I was not buying pipes, or anything else for that matter. You are young they will come, keep your head up!

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    Your in MI right? Go shovel some driveways or sidewalks. When I was your age and living outside of Chicago the winter months were easy to earn extra cash.

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    Great idea, Baskerville! I'd definitely pay someone in tobacco to shovel my drive!

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    The driveway shoveling thing is not off base at all. Sometimes you have to hustle until you can get something steady. In Texas it's lawn mowing. I have a friend who turned a gas can and a lawn mower into a lawn care business with 2 full crews.

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    If he were down here I would give him a few tins to rake the leaves and pine needles from my lawn that I was to lazy to rake this fall!!

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    That's no joke. You can make freakin houses out of pine needles down there.

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    It's all about how BAD You want it.

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    SHoveling snow is a good idea, exceot there has been no snow. We have about an inch of snow at the most

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    My friend,you got a roof over your head,I assume food in the fridge,and good health...YOU ARE BLESSED.

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    I wrote a book on how to teach yourself to read Tarot cards and it's only $10. In 2 weeks you can be making money if that's what you want to do. I also wrote one about homebrewing and bootlegging, but you know, that's illegal and stuff.

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    ace57 is the voice of experience ... how often does it come down to a battle between desire and apathy?

    uberamerica, is your plan to be a chef in a certain type of restaurant, or open your own?

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    I have always worked since about 15 . I have washed windows ,cleaned and painted houses etc etc. Anything for extra money . You have to go door to door and ask for work . You know so few young men are willing to do chores in this day and age . I always give them something to do and pay them more than what they are worth . The solution to any problem is to work harder . I am so happy you are going to school and wish you all the luck in the world .

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    I prefer to bake. The dream would be a cafe/bakery, but that would be quite sometime down the road. before that I dont really care as long as Im cooking or baking and it isnt in a seafood restaurant. I hate seafood, no matter how much they were paying i couldnt deal with smelling like seafood all tthe time. happiness is worth more then money

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    uber, almost every single post of yours I've read always revolves around $'s ... someone puts up a pipe for sale, "I wish .... but I don't have any money" .... it's like you can't make a post unless the word money is in there.

    I left home and school on the same day when I was 15yo and moved into a house full of junkies/heroin addicts - best thing I ever did, because I quickly realised I did NOT want to be like them and so never did drugs (except a bit of green stuff, but quickly grew up and out of that BS too).

    YOU are the only one who can pull yourself up by the bootstraps and make money for yourself, it ain't gonna fall out of the sky and people aren't going to simply give it to you. I hear you about living out the back of beyond in an isolated, godforsaken hell-hole with nothing within cooee, but there are always options.

    HOWEVER, there are always old people who need a helping hand and only have pennies to pay for a kindness - that's double edged, you get a few bucks and a warm feeling in your heart that you did something to help someone, especially the old - they'll have the tools, ladders etc. you need to help them out. Crikeys, the price tobacco over there, it's not like you need a damn fortune, it only costs pennies (you pay $7 for what we pay $50 for!!!)!

    Also, go to yard sales, auctions etc - pick up old junk (with the money you've earned from odd jobs) and buy crap - polish it up, fix it, give it a lick of paint and sell it for a modest profit - soon enough you'll have enough capital to buy baccy and more junk to support your habit, and that's all it is, a habit - no-one forced you to smoke a pipe so stop being so down in the mouth that you don't have enough, do something assertive about it!

    eBay, people go crazy over anything old, vintage, antique, from zippos to padlocks to egg-whisks to cowboy boots (I used to buy cowboy boots in USA for around $15 a pair second hand and would often get $150 plus here).

    Also your "thrift shops" over there are incredible - heaps of things be bought for a song and sold for a lot more ... many, many 1,000's of women do this full-time & re-sell on ebay. I went to USA Thrift stores for 10 days, spent $5k on kid's clothing, bought it back here & sold it for around $35k in my store.

    Up here's for thinkin', down there's for dancin'!

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    Keep your head up! Buy some cobs! When you do smoke meditate on the positive! Borrow some uplifting books from the library! Smoking is such a meditative activity, it can change your world, but hard work is required as well! Pm me and I will see what I can do to help. Remember to sow seeds of kindness and generosity, they will return to you!

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    Good thoughts from Aussielass, friend Uber. And might I suggest this is a good time, when you have some money, to explore the American Classics, aka codger burleys? You can get a lot of 'baccy for $5.

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    You know what? Aussielass is right, it seems as if you are always whining. Man do something about it! I suggest going into the service! If you don't want to see fighting then join the Navy or Coast Guard! The Navy did me good. A steady paycheck, travel, and adventure!!

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    I used to give to everyone until I had nothing left to give, UNTIL I heard the saying ....

    "Give a man fish, and he'll eat for a day ...

    Give a man a fishing rod and teach him how to fish, he and his family will eat forever".

    How very true that saying is .... people rarely appreciate anything that they didn't have to earn themselves - I know that only too well from first hand experience, I created a monster narccisist daughter trying to compensate by giving her everything I never had.

    I've made 59 loans through Kiva.com, a microfinancee not for profit organisation that lends money to 3rd world people struggling to get ahead in their tiny businesses. I haven't lost a penny, had a single default but I've sure helped to give 59 people fishing rods so they can fish for life, and I'll keep doing it until my last breath.

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    I have been blessed with at least 15 years without unemployment. Now, my job, mortgage underwriting, has unlimited work, also going to be treasurer of my church, (volunteer), taking another class for my MBA, continuing my woodturning side business, and raising two teens with my beautiful wife. I still find time to do other things I enjoy. Even do the 70 miles of daily commute. It is all about priorities.

    But the danger of giving a list like this is the next guy will honestly tell you that if that is all he did, he would feel he was on vacation. NEVER complain about long hours to someone who is self-employed.

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    I’m torn... on one hand I have several jars of tobacco which I don’t smoke much anymore so I could easily donate them to someone more in need. But on the other hand, I have the feeling I would be encouraging (and rewarding) the attitude of “complain long enough and someone will give you what you want”.

    I’ll have to think about this.

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    Think real hard bigvan, I think thats just what he is after!! I have seen it before on other forums.

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    "Think real hard bigvan"

    C'mon Baskerville! It's the weekend!

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    You know what? Aussielass is right, it seems as if you are always whining. Man do something about it! I suggest going into the service! If you don't want to see fighting then join the Navy or Coast Guard! The Navy did me good. A steady paycheck, travel, and adventure!!

    There you go! I know a guy who was a Baker in the Navy he put in his 20 retired with a nice little pension and healthcare. He has a good life with his pension and working as a baker a couple days a week hunting and fishing the rest of the time.

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    Uber, I suggest you try to get a copy of 'Riding the Rails' from the library. It is a history of the estimated 250,000 young people aged 9 to 17 who were forced to leave home during the Depression because of poverty and rode frieght trains across the country in search of work and their next meal. Read that book and then ask yourself if you have it so bad afterall.

    Take a look at my vintage railroad postcard collection at http://www.railroadpostcards.blogspot.com!
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    Uber,

    I thought long and hard before writing this.

    You're doing fine ! You're going to school, you're trying, don't get discouraged. You're doing a lot better than many of the 16-23 year olds I'm a life coach for. So hang in there, you'll make it.

    I'm not going to tell you my life story.. it's boring after all I'm also not going to be as harsh as some others. But here are a couple of pieces of wisdom. Close the post if you don't feel like reading them

    1) It is unlikely that in this lifetime you will always be able to afford what you want. Unless you win the lottery or make it big, there will always be items one can't afford. Get used to not getting every material thing you see, want or like. Sure, right now you just want that nice used estate. But once you have more money, you want that nice new one, then the next nice one, then the thousand dollar Dunhill, etc.. it's starts small, but you will end up feeling never satisfied. And then, when (when.. not if) things go less well, money get tighter or you lose a job... that's when people jump of buildings because their material world collapses.

    2) I heard you say you have a pipe. I saw you post on a question about English blends that you've tried many tobaccos,

    Penzance, Countryside, Balkan Luxury Blend 957, Mississippi Mud, and any of the Frog Mortons

    Dude, you're trying and smoking more tobacco's than many here on the forum ! I'm not going to repeat what your dad said. It's not gonna help. And even though I wasn't going to share my life story, here's one comparison. At 19 I had two nameless pipes, a pack of RYO papers and usually a pouch of Drum, Ajja or Amphora in my pocket. I'd scour bars for matches or a cheap Bic lighter. When the pouch was empty and I couldn't afford one, I'd get the little stubs or dottle out of my ashtray. Gross ? Sure.. did it smoke and allow me to sit back and relax. You bet. It didn't get better for me until I was about 23-24 and had a steady job. And just like you, I went to school, busted my chops and had all the frustration you're having right now. But hang in there, it will get better.

    In the mean time, I'm sorry to say, but it's going to be a "deal with it" kinda world. Just like your topic said: "One of lives sad Truths" Sure someone may send you something to help you out once in a while. We all need a helping hand once in a while. But don't count on it. Unless you want to live the rest of your life depending on the hand-outs of others. Right now, you have a pipe, you have tobacco. Enjoy them. Work hard to get a step up. I'm living proof it's possible. As are many others on this forum.

    In the mean time, feel free to PM me if you'd like someone to just talk to, vent or commiserate with.

    Hope this at least was able to encourage you a bit.

    "The fact is, squire, the moment a man takes to a pipe, he becomes a philosopher. It's the poor man's friend; it calms the mind, soothes the temper, and makes a man patient under difficulties. It has made more good men, good husbands, kind masters, indulgent fathers, than any other blessed thing on this universal earth."
    -"Sam Slick, the clockmaker" aka T.C.Haliburton
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    I'm not asking for handouts, and I dont expect them. I'm just saying it's a down economy, I'm broke, and that for me baccy is expensive. And I asked who was in my position. I'm sorry that I wine about money a lot. Being poor isnt easy for me. My family was very well off, and in just six years we went to poverty level.

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    I'm not going to tell you my life story.. it's boring after all I'm also not going to be as harsh as some others. But here are a couple of pieces of wisdom."

    Who's been harsh, prey tell? Wisdom comes from experience, far more than so than anything else imo, so here's another snippet of my life story, err "wisdom", sorry to bore ya'll, but my wisdom tells me to inspire and/or enthrall this kid instead of simply giving material things after reading his posts...

    Uber, I was living on a small farm with my fiance and my 13 week old baby. We had demolished the tiny farmhouse cottage and were renovating it - it had no windows, no doors and virtually no roof and no kitchen ...we were blissfully happy and my wedding dress was being made. Saturday morning we went to my Dad's farm to test ride a quad bike for him - David never came back from that ride, it crashed off the bank down into the creek below that was about 4' deep, landed on top of him and he died after 40 mins of CPR whilst the ambulance got lost 3 times.

    Now, I had absolutely NO money, not a single cent, a house that was just a shell, exposed to the elements and no-one to help, no-one to turn to, no insurance and no income. I borrowed $7k from my dad and went to every junk and salvage shop buying old windows and doors for a song dragging them the 100 miles home, a fry pan instead of a stove and a year's supply of tissues. I left the baby in her rocker, got up on that roof and drilled in every tech-screw myself and siliconed each one once it was in. All the while the sun kept moving and that baby was fried until I would climb down and move her again and again, howling and sobbing the whole time.

    After 6 months when the house has at least semi-weatherproof, I went and started a wheelin' and dealin', buying and selling business with a girlfriend, but I was still howling and sobbing all day every day for my lost love and always over the real cruel fact of life and the cards it had dealt me. We made more money than we could spend, we 2 x single mums who were doing it tough, real bloody tough ... hell, we could even eat real meat again a couple of times a week!

    Fast forward 21 years to now ... my best friend, ex partner and father of my 11 yo son who lives in the apartment next to me has just been having bone marrow tests and such (only something they do when they suspect a critical medical condition). All we have, besides a massive mortgage, huge credit cards debts etc. is health insurance, hallelujah for that at least!

    Moral of the story - when the going gets tough, the tough have got to get going, pull their head out their ass no matter how hard and hopeless things seem, to be and do whatever it takes to get ahead of the wolves wanting to take a piece of them and what they work for.

    Look forward to your future instead of allowing yourself to get trapped in this overly obvious "poverty mentality" .... you have your whole life ahead of you, but you sure as hell never know how many hours, days, weeks or years that may be given to you. Every day you spend miserable and wallowing in self-pity for whatever reason is a day that brings you closer to death, and you never get that miserable day back to turn it around. Money is the VERY LAST reason anyone should let themselves get down and out about - it's out there just waiting to be made, you just gotta find the inner strength and then use every ounce of energy & wherewithall to go after it. Are you man enough?

    That ain't harsh or tough, it's fact, and it's life (not a sad fact at all), live it boy, live it!!!

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    In the last six years the majority of this nation has gone to poverty, you are not alone Uber!!! Times are tough all over.

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    The hard truth is that it is our human nature to want more than what we have. Getting stuff won't help.
    If you are going to be content, that has to come from something within.

    Read I Timothy 6:8

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    The restaurant world needs great bakers but starting out means long hours slave wages and extremely difficult standards of production. My suggestion is ply your trade. Bake your ass off and hustle your wares to anyone who will buy any time of day. Now is the time to make a name for yourself and turn your situation into a positive. If you're underemployed, you have time! Sleep when you're rich or dead!

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    I feel you on the money. It sounds like you are on the right track by going to school. There are few people who have said that should join the military, which is a good option, but there are a lot of things you can do if you don't want join the military. There's the Peace Corp, Church missionary groups, Americorp, etc. Many of them will give you experience in your field. It doesn't sound like your asking for handouts or whining to me, sometimes you just have to get things off your chest, just grab a pipe and enjoy the tobacco while you have it, because before you know it it will be gone for good. Goes for life as well.

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    Uber,
    Sorry your family fell on hard times. I really mean that. The fact that there's 1,000's like that doesn't change a dime on how you feel. As aussielas said, most of us have been there, done that.

    Focus on something else. You're on the right path, keep trucking, hang in there just like we all did at one time or another. You'll make it.

    The point I was trying to make was quite astutely summarized by Philip

    The hard truth is that it is our human nature to want more than what we have. Getting stuff won't help.

    Cheer up old chum'." Light up another bowl of whatever you have and enjoy it. And one day you'll sit back, remember and give another young lad a piece of advice.

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  60. harrumphicus

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    If you don't want to see fighting then join the Navy or Coast Guard! The Navy did me good. A steady paycheck, travel, and adventure!!

    I would agree if this was still the "old Navy" (not the store). Two points to make that I've noticed in my last 3 years: 1) The level of bureaucracy when I joined 3 years ago was about 1/3 of what it is now, and from what I've heard, two years before that was less than 1/2 as bad. I wish I had some figures to show, but I'm sure our paper bill rivals our fuel/energy bill. 2) We're getting away from the "cruise" lifestyle with all the piracy running mad and "endangering" trade routes. I'll bet with Iran trying to close down the straits they put a hassle on any American ship near there. Combat may be seen for a few of those ships over there.

    And most importantly, you can't smoke inside the boat anymore!

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