New Zealand Wants Smokefree Military

What a Crock of Shit, you can take a Bullet , but not a Cigrette, this Frigging World is gonna PC its self to Death, and with that I stumble to my old porch, coffee in hand a loaded pipe and Grunbling F;/"! the World.

It's all about the child soldiers.

Perfect response Bradley! Here's to the anti-tobacco arsholes.... :nana:

Why this isn't tobacco in my pipe. It's the sweet souls of plants drifting gently toward the milky way.

I think bullets are a far more danger to a soldier's health and well being than tobacco.

Sigh...I am not surprised, this 2025 smokefree plan has been in place a long time in my dear homeland, I remember the smokefree posters when I was very young. WInston Peters is a great guy to have in parliament, I dont agree with everything he says, maybe not even half but he sure calls people on their bullshit and I appreciate that.
Isaac

...he sure calls people on their bullshit...

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That's a full time job all by itself.

I can READILY understand gettin' rid of the Damn BUTTS...
Data's Calabash here...as a lifelong hater of anything to do with those "damn butts", if what New Zealand's military plans to do was STRICTLY limited to cigarette prohibition, I'd be 100% in favor of it.
The U.S. military, from the Revolution through the Civil War era, was more-or-less strictly clay churchwardens and stogies (pipes more-or-less constant through the whole period, with cigars coming in by 1861) and if it were to do the same, that would be a huge plus for the Department of Defense — and END one of the greatest causes (from cigarette self-pollution) of avoidable disease in military veterans, period.
Natural tobacco was the prevalent reality of smoking pleasure before 1865 (think about it, crude oil wasn't pumped out of the ground on a commercial basis ANYWHERE in the United States before 1859) before toxic petrochemicals arrived in "butt-stuffins" very shortly after the Civil War's conclusion...even today, for those of us who rightly choose natural-leaf-ONLY, hand-made cigars, and naturally-sourced, hand-blended pipe mixtures; simply avoiding consumption of any form of hard liquor "at-or-around" the time we're lighting up (as I don't touch that "hard-stuff" stuff in any way!) and staying away from those "damn butts" for my entire life as I've always done, can keep one from being harmed on the whole.
And I do remember speaking many years ago (1980s) having a very pleasant conversation in Braintree, MA with a USMC corporal from South Carolina who was enjoying his briar, and living south of Boston while he was serving at the now-closed Aouth Weymouth NAS, and had never touched those "damn butts" himself...I hope he's still with us (never caught his name, though)...I also hope he's been able to enjoy them ever since, and will still be able to enjoy his briars in the future, although he's most likely retired from the service by now.
If OUR servicepeople in uniform want to enjoy a pipeful or cigar in an appropriate situation and timeframe, they should CONTINUE to be able to enjoy them...if the Federal government simply wants them to be "damn BUTT-free" while still freely allowing them to enjoy a briar or stogie from time to time, though, that's just that much better.

While I truly appreciate your hard-on against cigarettes, how do you feel about chewing tobacco in the military? That also seems to be fairly common.

Makes perfect sense to me. Some people in New Zealand do not want their soldiers to do anything that could possibly harm them. I also understand they are trading in the Steyr AUG Bullpup 5.56 for the Nerf N-Strike Retaliator. :crazy:

Soon there will be no personal freedoms to make fighting for one's nation worth the bother.

Surely enough it is much better to be smoke-free and healthy when you catch a bullet.... :crazy:

Research shows the NZDF to be all voluntary. No "compulsory service" so the members can live with the rules or depart. The savings in property maintenance will be substantial for base housing. Many landlords all over the world prohibit smoking to improve their bottom line by reducing expenses. I smoke smokes and enjoy it. But, were I a landlord, I'd not rent to smokers or pet owners. Too damned expensive when they leave! Of course if the rental market fell off I'd rethink my position.
And, I cannot think of a reason why the Government should permit the sale of cigarettes/tobacco on a military base. Vendors outside the gate will benefit from this through increased sales.

I got understanding that not so long ago cigarettes/Tabac were give to soldiers free as daily ration, at least in French the professional military(brands:Scaferlati Caporal fine cut/ Gauloise cigarettes) moreover, here in Finland our government just announced they're forseeing the whole country as a smoke free zone till the end of 2025,but I can't believe they are seriously planning this,better do consider this like somekinda childish advertisment.

I would think this policy would hurt their recruiting numbers (If they actually do recruit people).

So in order for me to join the military, I have to quit smoking? Hmmm... NOPE!

I didn't read anything in the article prohibiting the members from smoking, particularly off base/fort. I suspect they'd be very happy if smokers do not volunteer and they can still still meet staffing requirements. It is only a "defense force" not an army designed for overseas service. If they can meet the needs without smokers, I suspect they will prohibit tobacco use altogether. I see no downside either to smokers nor the NZDF.
If the NZDF can meet their needs with healthier, non-smokers, keeping health care costs down, housing refurbishing costs, etc... more power to them. Many employers avoid hiring smokers. Many employers prohibit such on company property and in company owned vehicles. If we choose to smoke, we limit our employment possibilities. It's the way the world is going. I empathize with the younger smokers but, I'm really too old to care. I was born at the right time, they weren't. Life's a bitch, then you die.

Warren, that's the most eloquent way of saying, "I got mine; fuck you" I've ever heard! :rofl: Every word of it absolutely true, though.

Thank you.