I saw a post on CL today for some meers and decided to check them out. I met a nice older lady who was selling her husbands old pipes. He had suffered a strok last year and decided to quit the pipes. while he had a bunch I didn't have much money so I only picked up a few. On older Kaywoodie Saxon, a ROPP Deluxe(I really wanted a pipe that would sit flat when I put it down)and two new and unsmoked PAYKOC meers. One is larger but they both seem to have smaller bowls. Either way, I felt I did pretty good and look forward to trying these tonight. Hopefully this pic works.