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New Proposed Bill Seeks to Eliminate Online Tobacco Sales

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  1. chasingembers

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    Read Here

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    Buy now, cellar broad, cellar deep.

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    I think we knew this was coming... :::le sigh:::

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    And so it begins...

    Keep calm...smoke a pipe.
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    Yep. Load up.

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    I get an error code when I click the link. Can you guys see the article in the OP?

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    LoL! "Cripple Tobacco Industry"
    It might not be good for mail order outlets you'd think it would be a boon to B&M's. Here's another take from Halfwheel.
    https://halfwheel.com/house-bill-would-ban-online-cigar-sales-flavored-tobacco-products-increase-minimum-tobacco-purchasing-age-to-21/298061

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    I can; what's the error, Cos'? Maybe try this way -- https://tobaccobusiness.com/new-proposed-bill-seeks-to-eliminate-online-tobacco-sales-cripple-tobacco-industry/?utm_campaign=1464368_Tobacco%20Business%20-%20April%2018%2C%202019&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Kretek%20Inc.&dm_i=2Y4M

    Prohibits all characterizing flavors of tobacco products, including menthol

    Ah, jeez, this is just too damn much. -growl-

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    Only problem is I don't have enough money at this point to buy and stock a cellar full of all my wants and needs. I would love to cellar as deep as I wanted, but I just don't have the money for it. Hopefully I'll have the time to establish something worthwhile before something like this hits. Of course, I could always go to my B&M and buy it there afterwards to flush it out or buy new tobacco, but I always feel limited.

    "If you can't send money, send tobacco." - George Washington

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    Has there been any definitive answer to the question: How will the prohibition of flavor additives affect the processing of pipe tobacco?

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    It will be interesting to see where CRA and the Trade Groups come down on this.

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    *sigh*

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    you'd think it would be a boon to B&M's

    Some of the prices I've seen in recent years, $30/100g tin, and in some areas $70+/bulk pound, has mostly kept me away from B&Ms.

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    I get an error code when I click the link. Can you guys see the article in the OP?

    It's opening fine for me. Using Firefox. Here's the opening paragraph, though...pretty much sums it up: Energy and Commerce Chairman Frank Pallone, Jr. (D-NJ) and Rep. Donna Shalala (D-FL) have introduced a new comprehensive piece of legislation aimed at address the sharp uptick in tobacco and e-cigarette use among America’s youth.

    It for the KIIIDDDDSSSS...dolts

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    Yeah, but affects us too. You doesn't need to use no elly-funt gun to kill a fly.

    B

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    I can see it on my iPhone but not the computer. If a website (or page) registers itself as "tobacco" in some way, our city's free wifi web service blocks it. This is why I can see smokingpipes.com, but I can no longer ever use pipesandcigars. Yeh, it's censored, but it's free.

    Thanks for checking for me, guys.

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    Ah, gotcha. Yeah, "cheap is good" does sometimes come with limitations.

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    I'll bet the cigar shop mafioso has some play into this also. This would be great for them. Why is it that all of the cigar shops I have been to has a guy with a neck tattoo, and looks like he got to watch the shop for his crime boss by killing an enemy? (rhetorical question) I know, I know... there's nothing wrong with neck tattoos... sorry, I don't mean to offend any fellow forum members that participate in organized crime.

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    I haven't read the entire Act but one part of it stuck out:

    Requires the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) to issue an annual report
    to Congress on the domestic sales, advertising, and promotional activity of
    cigarette, cigar, smokeless tobacco, and e-cigarette

    There's no mention here of pipe tobacco. Have they forgotten us?

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    Frank Pallone, Jr. (D-NJ) and Rep. Donna Shalala (D-FL) have introduced a new comprehensive piece of legislation

    The usual suspects strikes again. It will probably go nowhere in the Senate but If the Democrats ever control both houses again it is likely game over for pipe smokers.

    Make no mistake about it, if passed this would mean the end of nearly all pipe tobacco at B&Ms as well as online retailers. Online sales in the the US constitute an overwhelming majority of all pipe tobacco sold. Of this, aromatic tobacco is likely 90% of the total. If both are effectively ended, most manufacturers will have little profit motive to stay in the US pipe tobacco business.

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    Have they forgotten us?

    No, pipesmokers compared to cigars is like NFL fans compared to freestyle frisbee fans. We just sort of get lumped in with everyone else's laws. We aren't even worth a category.

    When we were talking FDA and comparing it to the crackdown on chewing tobacco, many kept saying we were crazy for suggesting that they would do the same thing to us... but here we go.

    Now that the cheapskates have all put their local tobacconist out of business by buying online... I bet they feel a little panicky now.
    At least the Briary carries a vast collection of tobaccos... all except anything carried by Laudsi.

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    saying we were crazy for suggesting that they would do the same thing to us

    Afraid so, yup. "If you give a mouse a cookie...." It's more than just Democrats too; the GOP's done exactly the same sorts of things when they had full control. Everybody's got an agenda these days; goes inherently with the political game.

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    Now that the cheapskates have all put their local tobacconist out of business by buying online... I bet they feel a little panicky now.

    Less about cheapskate, and more about availability. Not a big selection around here. Not panicky at all, my cellar will very likely outlive me.

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    Man, the one thing that I have heard over and over is griping about prices at B&M's. Whether it is taxes, or god forbid they have to pay bills for overhead... or make a profit.

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    The big guys will have to hire more phone operators. They could have their web sites, people call and place orders. It's how it was before e-commerce.

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    This is not news.

    It's also only the beginning.

    Don't be surprised if soon, in order to keep your private health insurance and/or Medicare benefits, you have to sign that you will not (specifically) use any tobacco product. That's coming down the pipe as well.

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    ^ phone is still not face to face

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    Yeh, with chewing tobacco, it cannot be sold by mail at all... except from the scam sites and Native Americans.

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    I must have it good with my B&M. Nice lounge for smoking, bar, pipes. I walking in last Saturday and an order of Samuel Gawith hit the store. I picked up a bunch of tins for $2 more than online. That was a no-brainer.

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    I haven't read the entire Act but one part of it stuck out:

    Requires the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) to issue an annual report
    to Congress on the domestic sales, advertising, and promotional activity of
    cigarette, cigar, smokeless tobacco, and e-cigarette

    There's no mention here of pipe tobacco. Have they forgotten us?

    Unfortunately, no:

    Extends FDA regulations on the sale, distribution, and use of cigarettes and smokeless tobacco to all deemed tobacco products, including cigarettes

    I know that you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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    I must have it good with my B&M.

    Congrats!!!

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    I have to wonder what banning "flavors" would do to the many flavored blends out there.

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    I’m afraid it would mean an end to online pipe sales as pipes are considered a “tobacco product” by the FDA. If this bill ever came to pass you can pretty much forget about buying a high grade or artisan pipe ever again. Not too many B&Ms are willing or able to invest in pipe stock that may sit in a display case for months or years. Hopefully this dies in the Senate as it may make it through the House.

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    A burning question I have is how would this affect instances of "sales" or trades on a platform such as ours? I mean, obviously the FDA cannot monitor all private messages and control the "trading" that could occur through outlets such as this one, right?

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    In Canada vapes are looked at as a quit smoking tool. We already have the crazy rules that are being suggested in the link provided. This is definitely not good news. Here it is $38 - $60 for a 1.75 oz tin...

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    I wonder how many kids are using their parents credit cards to purchase tobacco products online? Saying it is for the kids is the biggest lie of all.

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    A burning question I have is how would this affect instances of "sales" or trades on a platform such as ours?

    It probably won't matter...because if online sales go away, so will this forum more than likely.

    Saying it is for the kids is the biggest lie of all.

    Who will save the children from the control freaks? Nothing is more damaging to their well being and quality of life...both individually and collectively.

    “Bipartisan usually means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out.” – George Carlin
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    It's not the only bill that seeks to end online sales. There's another one in congress that's going nowhere, and this will probably do the same. But eventually online sales will get banned. Sigh, we'll just have to visit our local B&M like we did before the Age of Cyberspace, assuming they haven't been starved out of existence by online competition.

    As for all you hoarders waiting to make big bucks down the road, you're probably screwed. Dump it while you still can.

    Support your B&M's and pipe shows.

    It probably won't matter...because if online sales go away, so will this forum more than likely.

    This forum? Absolutely. Online advertising pays for it. But, there are other fora that don't rely on advertising.

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    But, there are other fora that don't rely on advertising.

    The Dark Web

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    ^ phone is still not face to face

    Let's use Skype then!

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    Not the upland clover bloom...
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    I don't understand why everyone doesn't just quit smoking.

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    Cosmic's account has been hacked and taken over by the Cancer groups! MODS!! MODS!!!

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    The Dark Web. Now I know where npod found the kinky bondage tape.

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    The response to support your "local" B&M isn't helpful to me when there may be 3 B&M's left in my state.

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    The only way a manufacturer would be permitted to use a flavor in its tobacco product would be if the FDA determined that a flavor would be appropriate for the “protection of public health.”

    Guess we'll be seeing Captain Black Kale shortly?

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    Online makes pipe smoking easy. The more limited online sales are, the more limited pipe smoking will be, even from its present level, the fewer people will struggle to smoke pipes. It would then become necessary to make buying trips to B&M's to buy tubs, for economy, of whatever was left on the market. Focus on flavored pipe tobaccos, prohibiting them, would restrict or eliminate 95% of the pipe tobacco market that supports the rest of the non-aromatic production. Limited availability and high prices would encourage us to smoke less and less, a bowl or two a day, and then every other day, and then twice a week, and so on. Seems like this would reduce pipe smoking by a half in short order, just the inconvenience, and the lack of blends and accessibility would make the market dwindle slowly away, or down to a hardcore of occasional smokers who mostly would grow their own leaf.

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    I started smoking a pipe 10 yrs ago and was always told cellar wide and cellar deep. Glad I listened to those wily old pipe guys!

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    Yeah, will focus more on aro cellar now

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    Thank God I smoke mostly OTC's purchased from my local B&M.

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    Just ordered ~15 lbs of my favorite blends. (15 pounds total, not 15 of each blend. Drool...)

    Real tired of nanny government. Was Orwell a prophet? It appears so...

    “Well, I can’t cure death. This is bad, Morty. You’re trapped in a dead man. Listen, if the situation keeps darkening, do yourself a favor and pop by Pirates of the Pancreas. Obviously I’m biased, but I think it’s great, Morty. It’s a bunch of *belches* pirates running around a *belches* pancreas. We don’t whitewash it, either, Morty. I mean, the pirates are really rapey.” - Rick & Morty
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    Orwell might have synthesised into novel form the very prophetic analysis of Oswald Spengler's Decline of the West.

    We appear to have reached the winter stage in which the government becomes tyranical and democracy is replaced by caesarism.

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    Again, glad to see they’re hitting the Vape industry hard, we really just need some exemptions for Pipes and Pipe Tobacco.

    Addiction becomes a widespread problem when products are readily available and immediately accessible. Pipe Smoking has a steep learning curve and I seriously doubt that even a full de-regulation of Pipe Tobacco would lead to an epidemic of pipesmoking youth.

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    I don't understand why everyone doesn't just quit smoking.

    Okay, I’m a native English speaker, but I’m not sure I understand this sentence. I got the “I don’t understand why everyone doesn’t just,” but the last two words? I looked them up but can’t imagine how they go together in a sentence. I’m flummoxed. Quit. And then smoking? Why... how... okay, so... no. I don’t understand.

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    No Kansans on the House committee for that bill, so e-mailed my congressman re it for all the good it would do. Til 2 years ago he was a practicing OB/GYN and it seems most MD's don't have a nuanced understanding of types of tobacco use. Nevertheless, pointed out that, if the chief intent of this legislation was to reduce the odds of youth getting a hold of vaping materials, it was over-kill to ban online sales of pipe tobacco too which there is little to no use of among youth.

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    Guess I'll take up marijuana...now that's OK here. Kids never smoke that. I'd like to invite y'all to a tea party, but I'll be, that's not a 'right'.

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    Diamondback, I'm not totally a native English speaker either. My native language is Sarcasm. It stems from a small island nation on the great Sarcastic Seas.

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    Diamondback, I'm not totally a native English speaker either. My native language is Sarcasm. It stems from a small island nation on the great Sarcastic Seas.

    ”Le Sigh”

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    It was mentioned here previously, but in Canada, especially in Nova Scotia, there is no longer any flavored tobacco. I tried to buy some Amphora, and found it was on the banned list. Very limited selection. I am using online suppliers currently as a pouch of tobacco is almost 40.00 at my local B&M. The last time I ordered from Smoking Pipes however the duty came to over a hundred dollars, so not much difference.

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    Not a big deal to me, not gonna lie. I am so over tobacco at this point trying to live healthy and go out more instead.

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    Since the bill bans all non-face-to-face sales of tobacco, even phone and mail order would be banned. While this would increase prices dramatically for most of us due to state excise taxes, the biggest hit would be to availability. Yes, many shops might increase their inventory beyond the jars on the counter, but with so many blends available, even in a good shop only a tiny fraction of the options would be offered. Inevitably, this would doom a number of brands which fail to get shelf space.

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    One of my MD Congressmemm is on this committee, John Sarbanes. I sent him this email, which will be read by a staffer and ignored.

    Please do not support this act. We have enough laws protecting minors that most jurisdictions choose not to enforce. Don't create policy that hampers adults from ordering these products. I'm a tobacco pipe smoker. Maryland tax laws on tobacco products have caused long time pipe shops, like Faders, Baltimore and "The Smoke Shop, Annapolis" to close their doors. Mail ordering pipe tobacco is my only recourse. I'd rather spend my money at a Maryland location, but the recent tax law changes have made that impossible. Lets please focus our legislative time on more productive measures.
    Thanks,

    Al

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    So pipe smoking will re-emerge with everyone smoking domestic bag and tub tobacco sold at gov't commissaries like ABC Stores or out of the trunks of cars, along with mostly estate pipes recycled until the bowls disintegrate. Pype dystopia.

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    Looking forward to the P&C, SmokingPipes, etc mail/phone order catalogs. :/

    "If you resolve to give up smoking, drinking and sex, you don't actually live longer; it just seems that way."
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    Looking forward to the P&C, SmokingPipes, etc mail/phone order catalogs. :/

    The bill would limit all transactions to "face to face" only. Mail orders would be out altogether.

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    Duplicate

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    Embers, that is a pile of bull! That would truly suck.

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    They're really trying to cut the industry's throat.

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    It's not a big deal. Tobacco businesses just need to adapt their business models in the name of saving the children...and start producing and selling women's toiletries. Instead of B&M's we can start supporting D&T's...douches and tampons...

    I really have no idea why there are apologists on a pipe smoking forum for the a-hole politicians and their a-hole ideas.

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    Not to be too political, but one party tends to be very anti-smoking. Why any smoker would align themselves with the party of Rob Reiner is beyond me.

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    The bill would limit all transactions to "face to face" only. Mail orders would be out altogether.

    I see a lot of Skyping and FaceTime in the future....

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