Mystery Shilling Dunhill
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According to an old Estate pipe listing on SP.com, "The Dunhill Shilling received its name from a customer remark that a particular pipe had grain that was so tight and concentric, that it appeared as though the pipe were made from a stack of shillings."
Earliest I saw while searching was a 1996. Doesn't mean anything in regards to when they started but they were being produced that far back.
Earliest I saw while searching was a 1996. Doesn't mean anything in regards to when they started but they were being produced that far back.
Looks like a mid-to-late 90s Shilling ( Ring Grain Cumberland ), possibly a Quaint shape. The shape stamping would usually be on the bottom of the bowl, which, of course, doesn't show up in any of those pics.
Rodrigo told me that what you see in that photo is all there is, no shape code or grading.
And thank you!! I had no intention of buying a pipe, but that shape and color I'd not seen before and It spoke to me. There something about it that makes me think damn that's a handsome pipe.
And thank you!! I had no intention of buying a pipe, but that shape and color I'd not seen before and It spoke to me. There something about it that makes me think damn that's a handsome pipe.
I should have done a bit more research before posting......
BUT
I looked up some things on the Shillings we have sold on SPC and the huge ones bear XL and/or HT (hand turned) stamps, the normal sized ones bear no stamping except this one piece in shape 4202 from 2001. They range from 1996 to mid 2000s. We listed them by shape...apples, dublins, billiards etc.
I'd call yours an apple, looks very much like the 101 shape.
BUT
I looked up some things on the Shillings we have sold on SPC and the huge ones bear XL and/or HT (hand turned) stamps, the normal sized ones bear no stamping except this one piece in shape 4202 from 2001. They range from 1996 to mid 2000s. We listed them by shape...apples, dublins, billiards etc.
I'd call yours an apple, looks very much like the 101 shape.
No idea. The Collector pipes don't have shapes either, and the Quaints don't say "quaint" anywhere on the pipe, or have a shape, just the group number in a circle......
Yes, Nate, so much to learn, so little time! I might email Dunhill, since I have my own questions too.
OMG STAN!!! BRILLIANT IDEA!! thru a connection I have, I was able to get the email address of someone at Dunhill. I received the most wonderful and most thorough response! Brilliant!
Here's the email...
"Dear Mr. Allen,
Thank you for contacting Alfred Dunhill and your questions concerning your White Spot pipe.
A SHILLING pipe is by definition a FREEHAND (or HAND-TURNED) pipe in CUMBERLAND finish. That is why you don't see a 4-digit code, which would define one of the standard pipe shapes. However, your pipe should have a stamping either indicating "HT" for "Hand-turn" or "HT XL" for an "Extra-Large Hand-turned" pipe. The HT or HT XL stamping might be left of the dunhill logo (which your photos did not show).
As for the year of production, it is defined by the small 2-digit date stamp immediately following the MADE IN ENGLAND.
Your pipe shows those markings, but unfortunately they are not clear enough to recognise what those two digits are. Although we were not able to define the exact year, the other stampings allowed us at least to define a period of production.
First we thought we recognised a 22, which would have put your pipe into 1982 as year of manufacture, but since in 1982 our pipes were stamped with DUNHILL (in capitals) and not the dunhill longtail logo in an elliptical circle, it meant that your pipe was manufactured either in or after 1995, the year the logo changed.
As we now know that the two digits are not a "22", but there are definitely 2 straight lines recognisable, it meant that the two digits were UNDERLINED. In the year 2000, we changed our date code from being underlined to date codes without underline.
That means that we can accurately place the period of manufacture for said pipe in the 5-year period between 1995 and 2000.
We hope we could answer your questions satisfactorily and wish you a lot of enjoyment with your White Spot pipe.
Sincerely yours"
Here's the email...
"Dear Mr. Allen,
Thank you for contacting Alfred Dunhill and your questions concerning your White Spot pipe.
A SHILLING pipe is by definition a FREEHAND (or HAND-TURNED) pipe in CUMBERLAND finish. That is why you don't see a 4-digit code, which would define one of the standard pipe shapes. However, your pipe should have a stamping either indicating "HT" for "Hand-turn" or "HT XL" for an "Extra-Large Hand-turned" pipe. The HT or HT XL stamping might be left of the dunhill logo (which your photos did not show).
As for the year of production, it is defined by the small 2-digit date stamp immediately following the MADE IN ENGLAND.
Your pipe shows those markings, but unfortunately they are not clear enough to recognise what those two digits are. Although we were not able to define the exact year, the other stampings allowed us at least to define a period of production.
First we thought we recognised a 22, which would have put your pipe into 1982 as year of manufacture, but since in 1982 our pipes were stamped with DUNHILL (in capitals) and not the dunhill longtail logo in an elliptical circle, it meant that your pipe was manufactured either in or after 1995, the year the logo changed.
As we now know that the two digits are not a "22", but there are definitely 2 straight lines recognisable, it meant that the two digits were UNDERLINED. In the year 2000, we changed our date code from being underlined to date codes without underline.
That means that we can accurately place the period of manufacture for said pipe in the 5-year period between 1995 and 2000.
We hope we could answer your questions satisfactorily and wish you a lot of enjoyment with your White Spot pipe.
Sincerely yours"
Heh. I've been tempted—at few and odd times—to insert a white spot into a stem or two of some of my less reputable looking pipes.....
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