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Mac Baren Acquires Brands from Imperial Tobacco

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    Breaking News Right here:
    Mac Baren Acquires Brands from Imperial Tobacco

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    There are some stalwart brands included. Consolidation is the name of the game. Not all bad. Thanks for the news.

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    So, Three Nuns everywhere soon... maybe I should try it someday. (Scribbles on "To Do" list.)

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    I wonder if this provides any hope that Three Nuns will again return to its roots and include perique in the blend. I assume MacBaren will have access to the original recipes.

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    St Brunno available everywhere too? Awesome news!!

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    I wonder if this provides any hope that Three Nuns will again return to its roots and include perique in the blend.

    My thoughts exactly.

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    I'm concerned MacBaren may use they own tobaccos, and not the ones Imperial had been sourcing for those blends.

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    With Mac Baren's price hikes, I've kind of given up on them.

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    chasingembers,

    I guess we fund the cost for the acquisition of these brands.

    I'll await the more intrepid reviewers' input here when/if the products arrive.

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    chasingembers,

    I guess we fund the cost for the acquisition of these brands.

    I'll await the more intrepid reviewers' input here when/if the products arrive.

    Bought from them for nearly 2 decades, and even with moderate price increases, I stood by their products. Their newest price hike was far too ridiculous for me to abide, however. The bulk of my spending is now Mc Clelland, C&D, and Two Friends.

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    The MacBaren price hike was a bit of a shock, but really it just brings them in line with other premium blenders.
    We're just not used to comparing MacBaren with Dunhill instead of Stokkebye. I will concede that until Escudo jumps $7 in price Three Nuns probably isn't going to move any stock.

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    The MacBaren price hike was a bit of a shock, but really it just brings them in line with other premium blenders.

    Like who? I have never paid more than $15 for Dunhill, Pease, McClelland, or C&D tins. The only tin that I ever pay more than $20 for is the ocassional Solani Silver Flake, but ODF? Used to get those for under $13, but now $20+?

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    How intriguing. I haven't followed acquisition of specific brands and blends that closely. I can't quite understand how that kind of cherry picking pays off. But these are big boys in the business, so they know exactly what they're doing or think they do. Let's see how it shakes out. I think it is difficult for any new owner to source the product the same way, so the named blends may or may not turn out the same/worse/better than before. Blends are such a moving target from year to year, never mind from blender to blender or corporation to corporation. If they can put the Perique back in Three Nuns, that would make a hit and might carry other blends, and make them some money. I doubt it would be the Nuns of yore, but it might taste real good.

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    http://www.smokingpipes.com/tobacco/by-maker/cornell-diehl/moreinfo.cfm?product_id=66107
    http://www.smokingpipes.com/tobacco/by-maker/mac-baren/moreinfo.cfm?product_id=70216

    These are probably two comparable products. When 7 Seas Regular was $25 a bag it was a good deal, now it's priced normally.

    http://www.smokingpipes.com/tobacco/by-maker/mac-baren/moreinfo.cfm?product_id=169566
    http://www.smokingpipes.com/tobacco/by-maker/dunhill/moreinfo.cfm?product_id=177

    Vintage Syrian now cost $2.52 more than a tin of Nightcap, it is a price hike, but not something out of line with the rest of the industry (just so this makes sense in the future, the current price of Nightcap is $9.25 and Vintage Syrian is $11.77, in 50 gram tins. And then there's Delux Navy Rolls at $14.20 for a 50 gram tin, MacBaren has a ways to go).

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    The $20 ODF's are 100g btw......but the news that St Bruno will be available in thew US just made my day.

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    Will be interesting to see how this all plays out. No mention of a timeline in the article?

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    I didn't read that St - Bruno, or Walnut, will be available on the US market? And, if Amphora is also available in the US, that will be good news as well.

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    The $20 ODF's are 100g btw

    Those were the one's I used to get for under $13.

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    This is HUGE news for worshippers at the alter of St. Bruno.

    Good because it probably means we'll see it over here again,
    in tins instead of pouches and cheaper than UK prices...

    ...but like Jim,

    I'm concerned MacBaren may use they own tobaccos, and not the ones Imperial had been sourcing for those blends.

    I also fear that it will somehow not be the same due especially to leaf variation, Mac Baren doesn't seem to have a firm grasp yet of making blends on the more full-bodied side it seems --- hopefully the flavor will be pretty close as I'm sure they'll get all the process sheets and recipe.

    Exciting but sketchy at the same time.

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    chasingembers:

    Those were the one's I used to get for under $13.

    And?
    Your comparison was with 50 gram tins. Expecting to get twice as much for nearly the same price doesn't make any sense.

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    And yet, that's how much they used to be. That's why most of my cellar is Mac Baren.

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    Note the prices of these hundred gram tins.

    http://m.smokingpipes.com/tobacco/by-maker/mac-baren/moreinfo.cfm?product_id=185

    http://m.smokingpipes.com/tobacco/by-maker/mac-baren/moreinfo.cfm?product_id=184

    Mac Baren's 100 g HH series used to fall into this price catagory, and last year, all of them were just under $13. The $7+ price jump in the past couple of months though, just kind of put me off of them.

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    I'm sorry, if you want me to go on you'll have to pay for another five minutes.

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    No argument here. Just irritated at such a price jump.

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    FCW wins the debate.

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    I also fear that it will somehow not be the same due especially to leaf variation, Mac Baren doesn't seem to have a firm grasp yet of making blends on the more full-bodied side it seems --- hopefully the flavor will be pretty close as I'm sure they'll get all the process sheets and recipe.

    I am going to cross my fingers and try to be hopeful due to the fact that ODF is so spot on

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    FCW wins the debate.

    What debate? Just spoke my annoyance at a price hike. Been smoking a pipe for twenty-four years, and have never seen a jump like that over night.

    Saw Gold Block on that list. Had a sample of that back in the mid nineties. Good stuff. Hope it translates well, and is affordable.

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    Just irritated at such a price jump.

    More regulation in industries without necessarily shared resources means more price. Applies to tobacco, healthcare, and lots of other things!

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    I'm also happy to hear we might be able to get St. Bruno stateside. Now, if we could just get Rich Dark Flake and Condor...

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    More regulation in industries without necessarily shared resources means more price. Applies to tobacco, healthcare, and lots of other things!

    Absolutely.

    Embers, I agree that was a jump, but if you look, it is happening across the board from groceries that cut the size of containers by a 1/3 and raise the price by the same fraction, to pharmaceuticals. A box of cereal cost more per pound than steak?

    Hopefully there will be an upside to the acquisition in availability here.

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    If they can do justice to Gold Block, I may forgive them.

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    I agree that was a jump, but if you look, it is happening across the board from groceries that cut the size of containers by a 1/3 and raise the price by the same fraction, to pharmaceuticals. A box of cereal cost more per pound than steak?

    Our currency has been rapidly decreasing in value at the same time the newspapers have been promising an economic revival. In journalist-speak, greater number of dollars is always higher value

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    OK, let me get it straight...
    One European company buys rights to produce few mixes, some of which they where making already, correct? Where does it say that those mixes will show up in North America?

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    OK, let me get it straight...
    One European company buys rights to produce few mixes, some of which they where making already, correct? Where does it say that those mixes will show up in North America?

    It doesn't, but it is implied because Mac Baren is usually quite wise with their marketing,
    why shouldn't they broaden St. Bruno's customer base back to North America?

    It has been missing over here for far too long,
    a sad fact that Imperial never seemed to give a flip about.

    St. Bruno has been contracted out by Imperial to Scandinavian Tobacco Group (formerly Orlik) to be made under the brand owners specification - this has been the case for a long while now.

    Now, STG will no longer make it.
    Whatever profit they lose from losing the contract is miniscule I'd suppose,
    in the grand scheme of things,
    so it doesn't really hurt them too badly.

    STG will forfeit the manufacturing process data, along with the "special sauce" recipe,
    and Mac Baren will now start making it.

    These sorts of brand turnovers have happened many times in the past,
    and most well-seasoned pipesmokers know that it ain't always a good thing,
    because more often than not, the brand characteristics get altered dramatically,
    almost into an unrecognizable form from what it once was.

    I wouldn't doubt that Mac Baren just might tone down the overall strength and body a wee bit, because their main expertise is in mild baccy, and plus it makes good business sense to make the new blend as widely appealing as possible.

    Many Americans find the traditional British baccies to be strange and foreign,
    often likening their profiles to "soapy", and other such stuff.

    So,
    what we may end up getting from MB in the end is a neutered St. Bruno,
    something more like a St. Brunoette.

    I wouldn't doubt it one bit.

    But I got my fingers crossed too.

    I guess we'll see.

    Unless, that is,
    we don't get to see,
    and I'm reading too much into any implications that St. Bruno just might return to these shores.

    Waiting...

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    Whatever profit they lose from losing the contract is miniscule I'd suppose

    I wish we had figures on that. I wonder how much any particular brand sells.

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    I wish we had figures on that. I wonder how much any particular brand sells.

    That would be interesting as hell to see.

    Back in the old days...

    This document from 1949 of the American Tobacco Company brands is highly interesting because they show precise quantity sold numbers as well as a very broad range of different blends, for instance, I would have never guessed that 5 Bros. outsold Tuxedo or English Curve Cut because those 2 brands were heavily advertised and 5 Bros. was not...

    ...Half & Half took the cake though.

    http://legacy.library.ucsf.edu/tid/tqt85f00/pdf

    Half & Half - 6,952,652
    Genuine Bull Durham - 6,169,023
    Cutty Pipe - 1,748,265
    Five Brothers - 1,564,931
    Peerless - 543,478
    Liberty - 495,289
    Walnut Mixture - 275,924
    Ivanhoe Long Cut - 250,565
    Standard (Adams) - 239,177
    Honest Long Cut - 199,952
    Ivanhoe Fine Cut - 162,891
    Bigger Hair - 130,705
    Veteran - 128,052
    Weyman's No. 1 Cut & Dry - 112,182
    Blue Boar - 110,060
    Tuxedo - 107,290
    Mayo's Cut Plug - 71,778
    Buckingham - 68,472
    Home Comfort - 42,110
    Old English Curve Cut - 30,749

    Compare those to their top 2 selling cigarettes!

    Lucky Strike - 91,814,953,740
    Herbert Tareyton - 5,789,448,560

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    The MacBaren price hike was a bit of a shock, but really it just brings them in line with other premium blenders.

    I just can't think of Macbaren as a premium blender when their prices used to be so cheap. It's like budweiser raising their prices to the same as craft beers or imports, and then buying budweiser instead of a much better import or craft beer for the same price.

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    Still haven't been able to find a copy of this magazine,
    seen it exactly only once,
    and wasn't able to grab it...



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    I think Peck hit upon a key point. If MacBaren could not alter the recipe for Three Nuns due to its ownership by Imperial... then a perique version may no longer be out of the question. No intention here of starting yet another debate about the relative merits of each incarnation of the blend, but the idea of having two versions of Three Nuns for us to enjoy would surely appeal to most?

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    ...and Capstan Full.

    Hopefully they bring back Capstan Full too!

    http://pipesmagazine.com/forums/topic/willss-capstan-navy-cut-a-short-salty-survey-image-heavy

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    This breaking news posted on PipesMagazine by Kevin has been linked to in a few different international pipe forums,
    their takes are interesting,
    reproduced here with the aid of google translate...

    Italy:

    The two saints (Bruno and Claudio) have for years been the main fuel of my pipes. I do not know if they were already included among those actually prepared by McB for third parties. If anyone had any information could maybe update. The news of a change in the production alarms me, not always these operations leave uncut products. Let's hope so, I touch just the two fundamental tuttogiorno,
    are worried the hell!

    France:

    Thank you for the info, my dear Nicolas. The taste of those tobacco will therefore certainly a change. For good or evil? The future will tell.

    Spain:

    I prefer smaller company clusters to huge cigar brands. If they get cut costs by sharing raw materials and production chain, the end will be all same mixtures.

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    I would have never guessed that 5 Bros. outsold Tuxedo or English Curve Cut because those 2 brands were heavily advertised and 5 Bros. was not...

    Thanks for posting that. There's a mystery there (and I say this as a diehard Five Brothers fan!) as to how this quality tobacco sold so much with so little press/advertising.

    Maybe people back then were just better at thinking for themselves.

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    I've tried to leave a question on the Mac Baren forum, about St. Bruno Flake specifically, asking if there are plans to import it to the USA, but there seems to be a glitch and it won't let my post go through.

    Is the problem on my end or is their forum just messed up?

    http://mac-baren.com/forum

    It's very easy to register there and Per Georg Jensen is good about answering questions.

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    I've tried to leave a question on the Mac Baren forum, about St. Bruno Flake specifically, asking if there are plans to import it to the USA, but there seems to be a glitch and it won't let my post go through.

    I wish I read that some days ago.. I met Per Jensen (and Brian Levine) at the Inter Tabac last Saturday.. And I saw all their newly acquired blends.

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    To quote Arte Johnson;
    "Interesting.......verrrry interesting"

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    'There is no arguing about tastes and colours.'
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    Looks like Mac Barenboim is preparing themselves to eventually monopolize the tobacco industry.

    Because straight is the gate and narrow is the way which leadeth unto life and few be there that find it.
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