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Hey all so iv been jarring tobaccos but I'm curious if some of my sealed tins need to be jarred. I saw in a thread that kingfisher should be jarred? Is it the same for pelican? Even the new tins? Also my C&D blends or my g l pease blends, should they be jarred or will they fine for the next couple years?
Cheers!
Gunnar
hhmmm good question, Ive never had an issue with any of my tins (including Pelican of which I have one thats about a year old right now) .... but now you got me wondering now :/
Curious to hear if there is a trick to seeing if a tin is not properly sealed.
I also have a question pertaining to this topic if I may. If you put a new tobacco in a jar that has had a different brand/flavor will it effect the new tobacco? Do you give the jar a good wash first?
Hmm I don't know it will be interesting to see if someone knows. That question pertains to another question I h e concerning tobacco pouches with latex lining. Do you clean them out before putting a different tobacco in or does it matter? Also can I jar aeromatics such as boswells?
As far as the jars go... If im going to place a different tobacco in it, I always wash it.
In regards to the latex pouch... I use a snack size zip lock baggy and that goes into the pouch.
I'm curious if some of my sealed tins need to be jarred.
I inspect every sealed tin I get to see if it is ... well ... sealed ... when I get it. If in doubt, I jar it.
If I'm getting the tin at a B&M, I'll simply grab another tin if one of the tins I am picking up is suspect.
Some tins are not sealed by design, such as Solani Silver Flake 100g tins and if the plan is to cellar such tins, and not smoke them within 3 weeks or so, I jar them.
It's very rare, in my experience, to get a screw-top (round) tin with the vacuum seal broken -- only happened to me once in the last 20 years.
Except for the obvious, such as the Silver Flake I mention here, some tins, particularly the "pop top" rectangular 50g tins, such as Peterson University Flake, Dunhill Flake, Erinmore Flake (you get the idea -- the small thin rectangular tins) are more subject to losing the seal. This happens when the UPS gorillas played hockey with your tin, or you dropped the tin on a hard surface, etc.
Properly sealed tins, if left alone and undistrubted, are fine stored in the cellar (any relatively cool, dark place). All opened/unsealed tins, unless smoked up within a month, should be jarred.
If you put a new tobacco in a jar that has had a different brand/flavor will it effect the new tobacco? Do you give the jar a good wash first?
Yes, flavors can meld, which is not always a good idea. I'd take a whiff of the empty jar that had another blend in it. If the previous blend was an aromatic or a blend with a pronounced casing/topping or some other smells that can ghost the "new" tobacco blend you're going to fill that previous-used jar with, I'd wash it in hot soapy water (including the lid), then dry it very carefully and completely before putting tobacco in it.
In regards to the latex pouch... I use a snack size zip lock baggy and that goes into the pouch
I'm with the Captain on this. My Peterson pouch had a latex lining and the tobacco often stuck to the latex -- very annoying. I've been using a zip lock bag in it for years. The latex started deteriorating about 10 years ago, so I just cut it completely out of the pouch.
If you aren't picky, then there is no real harm in storing one tobacco blend in a jar that once held a similar blend. (ie. Orlik Golden Sliced in a Dunhill Flake jar)
I would not do that, however, because it is easy to avoid any flavour/contaminant transfer whatsoever. Wash the jar, dry it thoroughly, and replace the lid each and every time. That way you will never have any taste crossover and you can use a jar that just held a balkan without infusing other blends with smokiness...
Roth has the rest pretty much covered.
Kingfisher/Pelican/Penzance are notoriously bad tins, so if you are going to directly jar any of them, then they are the ones to jar...
The completely unsealed tins (ie Solani) are also a no brainer.
The rest are hit or miss - results vary, but the risks should be minimal as long as they are properly stored and handled gently. Again as roth notes, some tins are probably DOA due to turbulence in transit.
If you aren't picky, then there is no real harm in storing one tobacco blend in a jar that once held a similar blend. (ie. Orlik Golden Sliced in a Dunhill Flake jar)
As Simenon says, as long as the blends are much the same or quite similar, like the virigina blend examples he gives here, it just boils down to how fussy you are. I personally do not wash empty tins before filling them as I've had no issues with discerning any carry over of flavors from the same type of blends.
If in doubt, I wash it -- same as the vacuum seal -- if in doubt, I jar it.
Ok thanks! I have a tin of kingfisher from 2001 should probably jar it... Also have a tin of pelican from 1999.
A related question: any reason not to just stick the whole tin inside a glass jar?
Let's say I have a tin with a few years of age already, and I'd rather not open it, but I would like to ensure that it lasts another few years. Would the tin-in-a-jar method hurt? One thing that concerns me is rust--will that give an off flavor?
A related question: any reason not to just stick the whole tin inside a glass jar?
I suppose you could, but if the sealed tins look fine, it's not necessary. If you live in India or a rain forest, or somewhere with very high humidity, the tin may rust, but if your cellar is relatively dry it's not likely rust is or will be a problem.
So to answer your question -- no, I would not put an unopened, properly sealed tin in a jar.
gunnar,
I don't know if you've already done the deed yet but I would not jar that aged tobacco.
As far as I am concerned, aged tobacco is meant to be consumed ASAP after you open the tin.
If you open that tin up now, the aging process will be finished and you would benefit most from smoking through the contents fairly quickly. I hear that aged tobacco goes downhill pretty fast...
If there's a problem with your Pelican/Kingfisher tins, then it is a moot point now because they've been stored in them for 10 years already. If they were ever going to rust or lose their seal, it'd probably happen by now so there is nothing to gain by transferring the tobacco to glass at this late stage...
I assumed (somewhat wrongly, it turns out) that you were dealing with fresh tobacco. (Or in the case of Kingfisher, a recent tinning that's about 1-2 years old)
PS to Lyle: Rust will render a tobacco unsmokeable if it penetrates the interior. I sure wouldn't want a metallic tang in my smoke! It's probably not the healthiest, either...
I don't know what the solution is when dealing with aged tins. It's more of a luck of the draw thing. Jarring, though, should be done as soon as you acquire new stock so that your risks of tin failure are minimized. A small percentage of tins will probably always be flawed, but that's the risk we take. It helps to buy in multiples as savvy wine consumers know. It is heartbreaking to hear of someone who selected a single bottle of expensive wine to save for a special occasion only to find out 10-15 years later that it was corked! The only insurance policy is to buy a case. (I know that is not relevant in Gunnar's particular case, but it is a disclaimer to everyone else: if you only have one tin of something you treasure, you'd better hope that tin is in immaculate condition or you may be very disappointed down the road!)
Thanks for the replies, guys.
I recently bought a few tins online that have either come from some old stock or were grossly mistreated because they look old and have what appear to be emerging rust spots on the outside of the tin. I guess I'll just keep an eye on them. I've never had a rusty tin before, so wasn't sure what that could mean.
My Pelican tins have held their seal and they are 10+ years old. The Kingfisher tins of that age I jarred just in time, I was able to pop the lid with any assistance. Another year or so and they probably would lost the seal. Penzance was the worst though, I probably had 30 or so tins loose their seal. I have had a couple Pembroke tins rust thru after about ten years and some McClelland tins rust thru after 12 years or so. But those were a definite minority and not something I would worry about jarring up.
As for tobacco pouches, I tend to keep the same types of tobacco in then them without any issues. I have one pouch for VAPERs, one for English blends and one for aromatic VA's like Ennerdale Flake. Even when putting in something like Dark Flake or Dark Plug didn't really do anything to effect the St. James Flake or 3P's I throw in there.
gunnar, one thing you can do is periodically check the seal. Try to remove the lid with just your hands and without much effort. For the Pease type tins, especially the older 2oz tall tins as well as McClelland tins, you can feel around the tin for soft spots. If you find one, then you should jar it up. Otherwise, you should be good to go. Definitely jar up that Kingfisher though. 
For the Pease type tins, especially the older 2oz tall tins as well as McClelland tins, you can feel around the tin for soft spots. If you find one, then you should jar it up. Otherwise, you should be good to go. Definitely jar up that Kingfisher though.
Hmm.. do you mean the 2 ounce tins with the aluminum pull-off tops? I ask because I always thought that those type tins were as "sealed" as it gets, unless for some reason the "ring" opening key is pulled up or the like.
I did get a P&C tin of Manor Heights (here I am bashing P&C again, but it is what it is) where, right after opening the sealed 2 ounce tin, I noticed the bottom of the inside of the tin was rusty. I did jar the tobacco right away and it smoked fine though -- I was lucky I caught it when I did.
Thanks! I haven't jarred any of my aged tins yet. Ill be checking seals and jarring tomorrow if need be! Ill be jarring the kingfisher tomorrow as well.
I dislike jarring my tins because I usually buy the tin because of the tin art. Haha I'm a bit of a sucker for it. Oh well jarring opened tins and the kingfisher for sure tomorrow. I'm getting everything I have in storage with bootcamp right around the corner
-rothnh The Pease tins I am referring to are the tall 2 oz tins he used to have before going to the current "squat" tins he and C&D uses. I've had a fair number of those taller tins develop rust from the inside and dry the tobacco out. It takes awhile, the tins were all 8+ years old when I discovered the problem.
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