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  1. ashdigger

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    However your tobacco arrives: tins, cans, bags, zip locks, cylinders, pouches, the empty skulls of your enemies or dropped by the tobacco fairy.....

    Open the "container" and place it in a "Ball" or "Kerr" style jar. Bigger jars are not better jars. Make sure the rim of the jar is clean, then place a new lid on jar and tighten it down with the ring.

    Fill it to whatever your hearts desire. The more the better though.

    Fill out some form of label with the date. You can make it extremely simple or you can get extremely carried away. They are yours. Do as you will.

    Place them in a temperature controlled DARK area.

    Be patient. You'll be rewarded.

    I've just answered all of your questions about long term tobacco storage.

    But, don't forget to overthink this simple primer, like you are right now.

    Ubi Ignis Est?
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    You must own stock in Ball

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    But what type of jar is the manliest?

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    But...but...what about rotation? I mean no good cellar is complete without a well thought out established excel table that tells you when you should rotate the front to the back, the side to the middle, the middle to the bottom, and the bottom to the top...

    "If you can't send money, send tobacco." - George Washington

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    What rotation?

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    You gotta rotate them or they'll spoil! Like fruit, you know?

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    I heard a rumor that they are going to stop making Ball and Kerr jars as of 2020, something to do with the FDA.
    Better stock up while you can...JAD anyone ?

    Keep calm...smoke a pipe.
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    You gotta rotate them or they'll spoil! Like fruit, you know?

    In thirty years that's the first I've heard that one.

    JAD anyone ?

    Bring it on, my cellar is complete!

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    ~ “But what type of jar is the manliest?”

    Balls, of course.

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    I bet the percentage of jars used for tobacco is similar to the number pipe smokers as a percentage of the population. Not even a drop in the bucket.

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    I have a question!

    The words "cool" and "dark" are often used in cellar advice, but you said "temperature controlled". Does this mean any dark area of a normal 65-75 degree home will work and is there an optimal temperature, i.e. is 65 better than 75?

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    I don't put that much thought into it. All of my tobacco is in my living room closet, some has been there for a couple of decades with no ill effect.

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    I don't put that much thought into it. All of my tobacco is in my living room closet, some has been there for a couple of decades with no ill effect

    Duane, does your closet smell of tobacco from your 'sealed' tins?

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    I've got 3 to 4 dozen 4oz mason jars each with 2oz or less of a different blend in them which is what I smoke out of.

    My cellared tins are in individual sealed (non-vacuum) mylar bags each with a small silica absorber packet in it for long term storage.

    I'm not intending anything for extreme long term storage on purpose, it just kind of worked out that way. I buy and store based on what's on sale and how much free money I have. All of my cellared tins of SPC PP SR could theoretically last me until I die but if they go on a really good sale, well, I might end up with a few more. In my mind, it's not about a "tobacco-pocalypse" but rather I can afford it now so I don't have to worry about things like losing my job, being placed on disability, and other possible future woes. Anything happens, I'm good with my cellar. Anything that benefits from aging is just a bonus.

    Also, long term storage, non-vaccum, mylar bags and silica packets are really cheap. Especially if you buy 250 at a time.

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    Duane, does your closet smell of tobacco from your 'sealed' tins?

    If it did, I'd be worried, but most of it is jarred.

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    Arrrrr, shiver me timbers! International Talk Like a Pirate Day is September the 19th!!!
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    At this point it would surprise me more if we're not related.

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    I just couldn't help myself

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    Le Parfait jars

    How do you guys feel about bale type jars?
    Price is pretty reasonable buying by the case.

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    I've had tobacco dry out in bail top jars.

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    Bale losing tension over time?
    I tweak/adjust everything first for a tight and plumb seal.
    The wife liked the way looked “cute” so I have 3 dozen to use!
    Only have a few months in them so far but they are doing well to date.

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    Bail style jars are not suitable for long term storage.

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    But, can I use Tupperware? Is that OK?

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    How about bags... plastic bags? Maybe space aged mylar... or paper bags?

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    Can I store them in the trunk of my car, how about burying them?

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    My favorite question from over the years is the guy who said he was in a country with no glass jars, who asked if he could use banana leaves to hold two metal bowls together to hold his tobacco and bury them in the dirt, ha ha.

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    My favorite question from over the years is the guy who said he was in a country with no glass jars, who asked if he could use banana leaves to hold two metal bowls together to hold his tobacco and bury them in the dirt, ha ha.

    You have to be kidding. I literally can't stop laughing.

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    But what type of jar is the manliest?

    Yes, exactly.

    Which jar is the most masculine?

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    People will go to great lengths to give us reasons they can't use the very simple Mason Ball jars. He even said that they didn't have jellies or anything for sale in jars there. It just surprised me that they would have internet access with such a remote location, wherever it was. But, I guess there nothing to prevent hunter gatherer tribes from coming here to put their two cents worth in on tobacco storage. I just wonder what these tribe's opinions would be on rinsing pipes with water.

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    Jeesh, some of you guys need some serious masculine affirmation.

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    I literally can't stop laughing.

    Some of you guys tend to forget how lucky you are.
    There are countries where people can't get their hands on
    one hundredth of one percent of the stuff you can easily get.
    In the capital city here there is a grand total of just
    TWO kinds of pipe tobacco available for purchase.
    Try to imagine a place where folk have NO TIME, NO SPACE,
    and - most important of all - NO CHOICE.
    And just what the hell is a mason jar?

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    what the hell is a mason jar?

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    Obviously, you have no idea where Javan is living.
    Where is this that you live, Tony?

    If I lived somewhere, where I had no access to... lets say... hmmmm... fish. I wouldn't take up fishing as a hobby. It's interesting what draws men from around the world to this hobby. Glad to have all of you here though. And, my heart goes out to you guys who live in places that suck.

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    Embers in for the dry humor post. You do know that he was being facetious, right? Ha ha.

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    You do know that he was being facetious, right?

    As was I. Plus that's my after breakfast smoke so I figured what the hell.

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    Gotcha!!

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    what the hell is a mason jar?

    So long as no one asks what a Ball jar is...with some of you guys, I don't think I'd like the images provided...

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    So long as no one asks what a Ball jar is

    Too late.

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    Damn, Neal, is that your cellar?

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    I just wonder what these tribe's opinions would be on rinsing pipes with water.

    Uhhhhh, I’m pretty sure those guys are in tune with their spiritual side and it doesn’t take a genius to know that the gods frown upon that type of cleansing! Duh!

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    I've got some Dark Birdseye in a bail jar that is going on 18 years now with no ill effects. But, that seal is everything and they do wear out with repeated use.

    One way to tell is to put a little water in one and seal it. Shake it and if any water comes out, you know it will not be useful for long term. For tobacco that you smoke, bail jars will work unless you have a bad seal. Otherwise, Ball jars are the way to go.

    I used to have a couple dozen bail jars but moved everything over to Ball jars years ago. They are just easier to use and more reliable in terms of the seal. Plus you can stack them if you need too.

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    All of my tins stay as they are until I decide to smoke them. I would never take tobacco from a sealed tin and put it in a jar. I have enough jars from my bulk blends and really dislike having to use those. Jars take up way too much space.

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    Harris, I have a shitload of tins too that I'm not fucking with. The reason I posted this is for all the new people that have been incessantly asking the same question about "aging and storing tobacco"

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    Too late.

    Oh sweet jesus...Thanks Neal! Appreciate the visual!

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    ash, I hear you and get what where you are coming from but jars are fine for bulks but for new tins, no freaking way. Keep the tins at a consistent temp and humidity and they should be fine. Plus whenever you decide your tastes change or want to sell some tins, jars won't get a fraction of the resale value that a tin has.

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    I would never take tobacco from a sealed tin and put it in a jar. I have enough jars from my bulk blends and really dislike having to use those. Jars take up way too much space.

    +1

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    The only issue I've seen is folks that had problems with some tinned blends. I'm not saying they might have stored better by being jarred from the tin, but I would think that if some jarred up blend did start to go bad, then at least you'd be able to see it. Just what I've seen from others.

    I agree that I wouldn't really want to open a sealed tin to jar it, but what I'd hate more is to open a 15 year old tin of something and it went bad due to the manufacturing somehow. We've seen this with a few blends. Either way, it's up to you how you want to keep it, but if I jar something and my tastes change, I'd rather get something for it than taking a chance that the blend was perfect all that time. Just me.

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    Carolina, what about the jars that develop leaks from faulty seals from lids that might have a small piece of tobacco trapped between the lip and seal? You can't exactly "see" the tobacco drying out. IMO, there is a chance of either choice failing. I had rather keep my tins in tact. Jars are ok, and I have bunches and bunches, but there is something about popping a tin open that surpasses any joy that popping a clunky glass jar will give me.
    I know, I know, Greg Please is telling people to put tins in jars... Or, at least that is what I get from posts lately about jarring tins. But, if one tin corrupts on me, it is NOT the end of the world. I have already thrown away a pound of Haddos Delight that I had jarred up, and a couple of pound of jarred moldy Esoterica Black Pool. It's not the end of the world. It's a risk I am willing to take. YMMV... however, I feel sorry for someone who's world would end at the loss of a few tins. It's probably not worth it to start a cellar, if one was in that position.

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    Oh I agree Cosmic. Either way there's something that could always happen to your jars OR your tins. In the end it's just up to you.

    Personally I'm only buying tins of stuff I can't get in bulk, for now. Odds are, nothing will happen to most if not all of them as long as they're kept in a temperature controlled environment. Same for jars, I'd assume. They do take up more room, but much more practical for me at the moment to buy jars, buy bulk blends I like and jar away, stacking them neatly in the closet until I have a better place for them.

    It's just more economical for a guy just starting a cellar to buy in bulk and jar up even if the blend is available in a tin. That packaging might be worth it, but I can buy more tobacco the other way around. Once I have a nice start to it, then I can see about buying more tins.

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    Ok so I have a legitimate question, apologies if someone covered it (I didn’t want to slog through the chatter line by line)... I have all of my blends in mason jars straight from the tin. If I open them once a week or so for literally 10 seconds (I like to smell them all before I choose a smoke sometimes...), will that affect the aging process? Not trolling here, serious inquiry.

    “There is no excellent beauty that hath not some strangeness in the proportion”.
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    will that affect the aging process?

    Yep, it disrupts the developing microenvironment within the jar.

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    If I open them once a week or so for literally 10 seconds (I like to smell them all before I choose a smoke sometimes...)

    I am exactly the same way. I figured out my own method to prevent disrupting any aging that might occur. You just have to keep your primary want-to-age jars separate and don't open them. If you actually intend on aging some, I would buy your bulk or tins and jar as you like, but don't disturb those. I keep those jars stashed away.

    For my usage, I'll stuff some larger jars I can pull from to refill my 4 oz jars I keep and load my pipe from. This method works for me. I don't touch any jars that I want to age the tobacco in.

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    Interesting... good to know. Thanks!

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    Aging doesn't change a blend enough for me to invest much interest. Every jar and tin in my closet is fair game, and if any significant aging occurs, it's just because I haven't gotten around to smoking it yet.

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    I cellar to have the blends I enjoy on-hand when they disappear for good. I could care less about "aging" anything in my cellar whatsoever.

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    Obviously, you have no idea where Javan is living.
    Where is this that you live, Tony?
    If I lived somewhere, where I had no access to... lets say... hmmmm... fish. I wouldn't
    take up fishing as a hobby. It's interesting what draws men from around the world to this
    hobby. Glad to have all of you here though. And, my heart goes out to you guys who live
    in places that suck.

    Thanks for your commiseration. I'll be 80 in a few weeks and recently had the urge
    to return to a habit I began when I was 16 - Ah! The good old days! - but had to drop
    after moving to Tokyo since there's practically no pipe tobacco available here.
    But with the advent of internet shopping and pipe tobacco becoming readily available
    (even though we are hit with around 100% customs fees when it gets here!) I thought
    I'd like to enjoy my remaining days remeniscing about the past (which seems now to have
    been so wonderful even though I could only afford 1oz of tobacco a week) while puffing
    once again on some good tobacco in a good pipe. So that's the story in a nutshell

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    And, my heart goes out to you guys who live in places that suck.

    Seriously man, this place just wouldn’t be the same without you!
    All of my tins stay as they are until I decide to smoke them. I would never take tobacco from a sealed tin and put it in a jar. I have enough jars from my bulk blends and really dislike having to use those. Jars take up way too much space

    Amen, brother. And not to mention you are totally disrupting the aging that’s already taken place in the tin before you bought it. Keep your tinned tobacco in your tins, everything’s else in jars... that’s my motto.

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    I cellar to have the blends I enjoy on-hand when they disappear for good. I could care less about "aging" anything in my cellar whatsoever

    When I first joined up on this forum I was very much in agreement to your above statement and I was very vocal about it too, but I have since witnessed several blends that do in fact get much better with age. When Full Virginia Flake turns black, it’s absolutely amazing, and with St. James Flake, I won’t smoke it unless it has two years of age on it now, the same goes for a lot of other blends like Dunhill Flake and other straight VA’s. However, I do prefer a lot of Tobaccos straight out of the tin but aging them is just gonna happen because I buy now to smoke later. Stonehaven is one I don’t really even notice a difference, I can smoke some from 2012 and some from 2019 and it tastes pretty much the same to me. Other blends tend to go downhill with over 5 years in my opinion, especially certain VaPers. For me, the Perique fades too much and the blend gets too lite for my palate. I’ve also had some blends with 10 years of age bite the hell out of me where their fresh counterparts don’t nip in the slightest. Overall it’s a slight gamble to cellar but one I think well worth playing.

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    I heard a rumor that they are going to stop making Ball and Kerr jars as of 2020, something to do with the FDA.
    Better stock up while you can...JAD anyone ?

    There is nothing on the FDA website about Ball jars, so I'd say that's a false rumor.

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    Ohhhh.... Tobacco storage...I just started putting all my pipes in jars.... Guess it pays to read the whole post...

    "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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