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64alex

Part of the Furniture Now
May 10, 2016
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Unfortunately regulation are going soon to be enacted n the city where I live which is going to ban smoking in apartment building. It's a total tragedy as I do enjoy smoking the pipe sitting relaxed in my chair reading a book. Smoking outside at least for me is losing 80% of the experience.
While I understand the need of respect of others it makes me mad that the regulation not only prohibit smoking or delivery of smoke in common areas, which is agreeable, but might ban smoking altogether in the unit even if there are no common walls (as in my case) and even if care is taking care of having the smoke not going outside of the unit.
And even worse, and this drives me really craze, it looks like there might be provisions for exemption of use of medical Marijuana. In other words I might not be allowed to smoke in my unit even if I take care of avoiding smoke going outside of it, but I have to accept that others might puff on me “medical Marijuana”, this is totally stupid and shows how crazy is going this society.
However, given Medical Marijuana could be given an exemption, why we don't try to make a case for the use of “Medical Pipe Tobacco”? Let's try to build up a list of beneficial effects we could submit to our stupid legislators. I would start with

1. Relaxing effects of pipe tobacco.

2. Pipe enhances meditation without the need of Yoga.

 
Chasing Embers

Chasing Embers

Captain of the Black Frigate
Nov 12, 2014
43,450
109,383
Most of the tobacco war is already lost, and most of the world will not hear any reason behind tobacco being beneficial. Tobacco is the Devil. Tobacco BAD! A lot of us cellar beyond rational thinking because of the tobacco banning storm on the horizon.

 
warren

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
11,733
16,332
Foothills of the Chugach Range, AK
I can think of no medically known benefits. There have been some supposed for the nicotine component but, I've not seen serious scientific support for such. "Big Pharma" has been exploring such for years.
As much as people like to conflate "pro-tobacco" arguments with comparisons to marijuana, it's apples and oranges.
While smoking regulations may cause inconvenience, they are hardly a tragedy. Although your header does attract readers so, not a bad idea, I suppose.

 
Chasing Embers

Chasing Embers

Captain of the Black Frigate
Nov 12, 2014
43,450
109,383
Here's a study that shows some positive aspects of nicotine, but the anti tobacco juggernaught will not be swayed.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/health/study-finds-nicotine-safe-helps-in-alzheimers-parkinsons/2175396
A study of Alzheimer's patients showed that those who wore nicotine patches were better able to remember and pay attention than those who didn't. Another study showed that nicotine boosted cognitive function in older people who didn't have Alzheimer's, but were showing signs of age-related mental decline.
Nicotine also seems to protect against Parkinson's disease, in which the death of cells in a small area of the brain results in tremors, impairing movement and as well as cognitive difficulties.
Click to expand...

 
nevadablue

nevadablue

Lifer
Jun 5, 2017
1,192
4
I would ignore the 'rule' and do what I wish. If there is no common wall/air movement, nobody will know the difference. Use an air purifier. I use one and I don't smoke inside. They do work.

 
mso489

mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
41,210
60,459
Real estate, rentals, and owners associations are always a problem of intrusiveness, and always have been. I think rules and regs for elderly housing is of particular concern in terms of lifestyle choices, which would include smoking and companion animals, though that barely scratches the surface. If you remove basic pleasures, one by one, it certainly shortens lives and makes final years exceedingly grim, a prolonged near-death experience.

 
drydock

drydock

Starting to Get Obsessed
Nov 27, 2016
179
32
The nursing home my grandmother ended her final years in, installed a beautiful, enormous aviary & began to allow service pets to make regular rotations through the rooms of patients who signed up. You would not believe (or probably you would) the incredible, uplifting response this got from residents. It suddenly made the entire environment alive again--with color and sound, purring and wagging tails. Small things in the end make an enormous difference. I wouldn't want to deny simple pleasures to someone I loved.

 
warren

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
11,733
16,332
Foothills of the Chugach Range, AK
You gotta make sure the kids love you enough to keep you out of the "homes" and institutions. Or, make them promise, a blood oath perhaps, to select a facility which allows smoking. I have my eye on a place in up-state Illinois, small 1 bdrm. bungalows, 9 hole golf course, a fully equipped wood shop, crafts, widows, everything a widower could ask for. Oh, and weekly bus trips to the casino. One purchases a bungalow, no rent. Gonna have to check the smoking policy in a couple if years I suspect.
Can't leave such decisions to the kids. Gotta make plans for the unforeseen.
My intention is to be convicted in a paternity suit at age 95, by a jury of course, after a long and rather lewd trial. Hopefully the media will find the event to be front page worthy. The lady bringing the suit will be 22 or 23 year old, nubile, care giver with loose morals. At least that's how I envision it.

 
saltedplug

saltedplug

Lifer
Aug 20, 2013
5,194
5,101
I don't own a gun, or guns, but the scenario of the sheriff knocking at my door intending to take them away calls to mind him being hit by a hail of bullets even in the approach. Did he come for my pipes or come because I had been smoking in my apartment, my first reaction would be to react similarly, which of course is uncivilized and ridiculous behavior. But I've trained my landlord to use due caution approaching my door, and even if such regs were put in place here, I don't think he would try it.
What low, tawdry BS!

 
mrharris

mrharris

Might Stick Around
Dec 2, 2015
51
0
Indiana
I'd like to quote the late great Chuck Brown and Chuck (not really a "Chuck" but kind of close...) Heston and say "Good grief..." and also "They can have my pipes when they pry them from my cold, dead hands."

 
warren

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
11,733
16,332
Foothills of the Chugach Range, AK
I suspect you guys are just joshing or over overstating to make a point.
Why in the world would anyone wish to take someone's reeking, old pipes? Well, unless they were collectors of used pipes. Or, an eBay dealer wanting to make a killing, selling a $2,000.00, one of a kind, barely smoked, "Yellow Bowl."
If the landlord enters, at your request, for a repair or other legal reason or, as provided in your lease, and you live where smoking is prohibited in a rental, and he detects evidence of a violation, I suspect he would do the repair and then start eviction proceedings or, seek what ever relief is permitted by law. Why in the world would anyone want to "dispipe" someone of old, used pipes? It's no crime, yet, to be in possession of a tobacco smoking pipe.

 
skypilot

skypilot

Might Stick Around
Aug 15, 2017
52
0
Probably need to follow the money. Figures from 2015 (latest) show total Fed/State tax revenues on tobacco sales at around $17 billion annually....flat, to even somewhat declining over the prior 20 years. Estimates are that a fully developed marijuana market will net total Fed/State tax revenues that approach $30 billion annually. Need I say more?
My thesis is that it's barely a health issue at all. It's a tax revenue issue. Very similar to the CAFE standards that mandated higher mpg for vehicles. When the mfgs responded, and built cars that got 30+ mpg, (not to mention electric vehicles) you began to hear cries for annual taxes based on miles driven, rather than higher gasoline taxes. Of course, gasoline taxes won't be lowered. It's just that revenues will increase. The little diagnostic port on all new cars will probably be the means of collecting. You'll have to have an annual "read" from that port, which will then be added to your property tax bill, or sent as a separate billing, and will then have to be reported on your 1040.
Grrrr! :crying:

 
mawnansmiff

mawnansmiff

Lifer
Oct 14, 2015
7,426
7,368
Sunny Cornwall, UK.
To the OP. Imagine you bought another house for the sole purpose of raising rental revenue. You are also anti smoking so impose a clause in the rental agreement that no smoking shall take place in your property.
You then let out said house to Mr. Joe Bloggs who claims not to be a smoker. However, upon performing your annual inspection you find that Mr. Bloggs had fibbed to you and had been smoking like a chimney in your house. You know this because being a non smoker yourself you are able to detect the meerest whiff of tobacco smoke and now your house stinks. What would you do?
Regards,
Jay.

 
jpmcwjr

jpmcwjr

Moderator
Staff member
May 12, 2015
24,744
27,339
Carmel Valley, CA
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I remember when tragedy meant a fine person of good moral standing who met his end (as in killed dead; gone, gone, gone; expired; finito) through some "tragic flaw". Now it can mean a cat gets run over or a fire burns out a house.

 
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