How soon will it be before you are either denied treatment or coverage because of nicotine in your system. I say the odds are real good.
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If this health care bill passes
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You can get healthcare, but not a job to pay for it
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Amen Brother.
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It is simply a way to raise taxes as they stole all the money from social security and will not be able to pay all the people who are about to retire . The waste of the federal gov just boggles the mind .
“There was an awful suspicion in my mind that I'd finally gone over the hump, and the worst thing about it was that I didn't feel tragic at all, but only weary, and sort of comfortably detached.”Posted 2 years ago # -
Welcome one and all to the American Socialist Movemnet...Enjoy!!!
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Again, I'll keep my mouth shut... I seem to get into trouble...
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It's ok Phil we all know where you stand.
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Phil.
"Again, I'll keep my mouth shut."I won't. USA aka United Socialist of America.
I've always been crazy but it's kept me from going insane.Posted 2 years ago # -
How soon will it be before you are either denied treatment or coverage because of nicotine in your system. I say the odds are real good.
If that would exempt me from the mandatory coverage, I'll take it.
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Well if they deny coverage because of nicotine.
They will fine you for not buying the coverage.
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We're screwed.
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Pstlpkr, You understand it the way I understand it. If you don't have coverage the IRS, (yes the IRS!!!) will fine you until you comply with Federal guidelines. It looks like it's going to be a catch 22 situation. I was hoping and praying it wasn't going to pass, but it looks like it is. As if this wasn't a big enough intrusion in our lives, I'm afraid this is only the beginning. But health care is the gold ring. Once they control that, they control every facet of our lives.
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Better get ready gents, It looks like those pesky @#$$#@$* are going to get this BS pushed through. It blows my mind that such a measure could possibly be passed with there being so many people who don't want it. HMM.. I should run for office.
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looks like i found my new home! you guys are all so right. i can't believe people want the government controling our health care. isnt it bad enough they control our businesses too? welcome to the U.S.S.A.!
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Well I guess I'm screwed all the way around, I can't afford health Insurance for my family at $1200.00 a month, let alone pay the IRS their fines... SO... what to do... It seems like your screwed if you do, screwed if you don't...
So, where are they going to house all these people that don't have insurance when they throw them in jail?
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Scotty, most people don't want the government controlling their health care but that doesn't matter to the socialist/fascists now running the country.
As for the fines, I'll refuse to pay, go to jail and the government can support me in jail and my family on the outside. That will cost them a hell of alot more than it will cost me.
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I'd have to say this got out of hand....
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That will cost them a hell of alot more than it will cost me.
It's a shame that doesn't matter at all to them. There's been talk of some states trying to mediate on behalf of people who refuse to pay. I hope so, because I feel the same way as you.
Phil,
I've read about the incident from two other sources and the one you linked is the first to actually spell the words out.
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The media has become PC that I wanna PUKE!!! The N word indeed!
If at first you don't succeed you are running about average.Posted 2 years ago # -
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I can understand a "SHAKEUP" but damn, there has to be a better way than this...
It seems as if the American people are like "sheep" being led to slaughter, willingly...
I guess the rest of us are too, even if it's unwilling...
I now see how and why some of the third world countries people act when they are unhappy with "choices" that their elected officials make or how they govern the people...
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Hey! What's the matter with having the government run health care? What, don't you schmucks think the Fed does a nice job with the Post Office, and Amtrak, and Social Security, and Medicare, and public education, and the air traffic control system, and the Transportation Safety Administration, and FEMA after hurricane Katrina, and Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac managing the housing "bubble", and the Criminal Justice System, and...
doh!
I find myself sitting idly on the line dividing past and future,
as if I could kill time without injuring eternity. -- ThoreauPosted 2 years ago # -
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A person almost can't talk (debate) this without throwing religion & politics in the mix...
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Last night former President Bill Clinton spoke at the "Gridiron Club".
"He said that when Obama appeared recently on Fox News the president was "keeping his word about meeting with hostile leaders without preconditions.""
LOL!
Bill Clinton on FoxPosted 2 years ago # -
I'd have to say this got out of hand....
I reckon there's two sides to every story. While I'm never surprised when people act like assholes, to the same extent, I'm not shocked when they lie.
I wish I knew what to believe...
I'm not a Tea Party goer nor a 9-12er, but I was disappointed to hear this might have happened. I can respect them much more than the people stirring up trouble for the sake of smearing capitalism. Even if the slurs were said, they've been much more peaceful than some of their counterparts on the other end of the spectrum in recent years.
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IT PASSED!
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Well I don't know about everyone else, but I feel like I've been bent over and had something stuck in my ASS, HARD and with out lubrication!
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I have emailed my Republican Representatives and asked that they wear their "Old Glory" lapel pins upside down until travesty has been repealed.
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Anthony Weiner has been doing a lot of talking saying the GOP is "a wholly owned subsidiary of the insurance industry".
What's that about three fingers pointing right back?
At least the bright side is that there will be a regime change shortly, good or bad, it'll be exciting. Of that, I'm fairly confident.
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Lawrence, maybe I should go outside and change the flag on the pole to show that we a under "Duress"... I think I'll get a small flag and fly it upside down for mt 1000 mile drive next week!
DURESS:
1. "The use of force or threats to make somebody do something"
2. "Illegal force or coercion, as used against a criminal suspect or a prisoner in lawful custody before trial"
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Go for it Phil.
When I wear my suit to job interviews, (if there will be any more) I will wear my Old Glory inverted.I am truly depressed over this theft of our liberty, through coercion, bribery and lies.
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The Amreican public deserves a big kiss.Because we have just been royally SCREWED!!
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Look for my next "BLOG" it will tread where we all should not go...
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Found this interesting: "Rep. Joe Cao (R-Louisiana) was the only Republican who voted in favor of the bill."
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Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all employers that self-insure!!
Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill: THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.
Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!
Page 42 of HC Bill: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC benefits for you. You have no choice!
Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non-US citizens, illegal or otherwise.
Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to individuals' finances & a 'National ID Health card' will be issued! (Papers please!)
Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access to your bank accounts for elective funds transfer. (Time for more cash and carry)
Page 65 Sec 164: Is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions & community organizations: (ACORN).
Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the 'Exchange.'
Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans -- The Govt will ration your health care!
Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. (Translation: illegal aliens.)
Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups (i.e. ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.
Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. (AARP members - your health care WILL be rationed!)
Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid eligible individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. (No choice.)Page 12 4 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt monopoly.
Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical Association - The Govt will tell YOU what salary you can make.
Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan. (NO choice!)
Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part-time employees ANDtheir families. (Employees shouldn't get excited about this as employers will be forced to reduce its work force, benefits, and wages/salaries to cover such a huge expense.)
Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option will pay 8% tax on all payroll! (See the last comment in parenthesis.)
Page 150 Lines 9-13: A business with payroll between $251K & $401K who doesn't provide public option will pay 2-6% tax on all payroll.Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.
Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay.) (Like always)
Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of the GOVT HC Admin.. will have access to ALL Americans' finances and personal records. (I guess so they can 'deduct' their fees)
Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." (Yes, it really says that!) ( a 'fee' instead)
Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors. (Low-income and the poor are affected.)Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors: It doesn't matter what specialty you have trained yourself in -- you will all be paid the same! (Just TRY to tell me that's not Socialism!)
Page 253 Line 10-18: The Govt sets the value of a doctor's time, profession, judgment, etc. (Literally-- the value of humans.)
Page 265 Sec 1131: The Govt mandates and controls productivity for "private" HC industries.
Page 268 Sec 1141: The federal Govt regulates the rental and purchase of power driven
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Come November I have a feeling the majority in both houses will change. If not completely change then the socialist morons will be seriously hampered . I just hope I am not thinking wishfully on this .
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"Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" --Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Convention, March 23, 1775
Yes I put it in two places... I figured that it fit both...
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