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  1. goodkat

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    I just finished watching

    The Wild One
    and realized just how cool Lee Marvin was. Marlon Brando was excellent but Lee was absolutely superb for how small his part was. So I thought I`d start a thread dedicated to the guys who epitomise manliness.

    Lee Marvin:

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    Charles Bronson:

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    havent heard of marvin or brando in a while, wish we would. there are in cowboy heaven. they new to you?
    think you like em now. watch a few more. for me, they were all good, i really like them.
    a tribute yeah. those old westerns, hell, the new ones are getting better the more they make.
    the older good ones have to be in black and white just the way they were made and stars were born. you would see regular horse trot gallup and the sound effects sounded like pasofinos. (smoking aniversary kake and cant put it down, must be one of those learned habbit acquire thingys :crazy:)

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    they new to you?

    No and yes. I didn't see them in the theatres but I have fond memories of watching Wayne, Brando, Marvin, Coburn, McQueen and Bronson with my dad. My Dad was cool and rented the current Stallone splatterfest for us but Sly or Arnie weren't as cool. The old guard didn't have to gut anyone to look tough.

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    thats what made them so gooood. in real life they were just as good as any man alive today. everything else was just hollywood hype.
    john wayne was a big man. ever notice the relief on the horses face when he'd get off? he and dan blocker are my two favorites for coboy fight scenes.
    too bad those non filtered cigaretts took his life. i started out on luckys, phillip morris, camels, pallmall, and old golds. in my early thirties started looking for a filter i liked. not such an easy thing to do.

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    i started out on luckys

    Anytime I cross the border I look for Lucky Strikes. They`re not as common as I hoped. The cashier usually looks at me like I slapped them when I ask for a pack.

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    not as many people smokin non filters anymore. pipes and cigars are about all there is now non filtered, and even at that, more people are smoking those little filtered cigars since they are so much cheaper than cigs.
    glad i layed down those white nails. just a pipe now and acouple times a year i might smoke a cigar ot two.

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    Tou gotta love Clint and Clyde:

    http://youtu.be/gHeRaAy3cWQ

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    Gotta toss Steve McQ and Clint out there with the tough old guard, hats off to Lee Marvin though-miss his acting.

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    Robert Tessier was a true bad-ass.

    "To seek freedom is the only driving force I know. Freedom to fly off into that infinity out there."
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    Now maybe not quite in the same leage as Wayne, Brando, Marvin, Coburn, McQueen and Bronson... Robert Mitchum was pretty cool.

    As an example to others, and not that I care for moderation myself, it has always been my rule never to smoke when asleep, and never to refrain from smoking when awake.
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    gotta mention have gun will traver, bananas-think they are all gone but hop sing and the man who played adam, wanted dead or alive. the lone ranger and tonto. charlton heston, jimmy stuart, henry fonda. rorey calhoon.
    james garner, lone dove series, robert mitchim, robert duval. chuck conners. believe tommy lee jones started out in westerns. there was one that came out in the fifties and i think it was streets of larado? one of the charactors was named reese that i distinctly. can picture the charactors but aloft to their names.
    sam elliot past and present. rawhide. so very many to remember them all, but, all remembered were just plain excellent.

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    I agree on Mitchum.

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    I must add Gary Cooper, Ward Bond, and Robert Duvall. They all played on some great Westerns.

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    When I was in we trained 23 hours a day, now they have dropped it down to only 21 hours a day of hard training.
    We had to go on with only one hour sleep a night, and sometimes zero hours sleep....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzg3_LC3bGU&feature=related

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    007!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SEAN CONNERY

    It is impossible to tickle yourself
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    Bogart was always among my favorites.

    Mason

    And though it is much to be a nobleman, it is more to be a gentleman. - Anthony Trollope
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    More Army Rangers....my opinion of Icon's of manliness. BTW/ in case you are wondering...Delta Force are Army Rangers.
    We also were underwater qualified.

    Peace out...Ranger6

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGIB34V7nSs&feature=related

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    Chuck and Bruce .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqzQ2qrtBeg&feature=related

    “There was an awful suspicion in my mind that I'd finally gone over the hump, and the worst thing about it was that I didn't feel tragic at all, but only weary, and sort of comfortably detached.”
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    My old boss Red Adair .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIlD3_Z92wM

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    I can not believe this thread has gone this far and no one has mentioned The Duke.

    Igloo: Didnt John Wayne play Red Adair in a movie? I actually saw a set up in an antique store today full of Red Adair memorabilia. All proceeds went to his charity.

    Also Patton and Eisenhower and "Juan Cabrillo" (Clive Cussler fans know who Juan is)

    Glenn
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    I toss my hat in for Tom Selleck and George C. Scott. Yul Brynner also. Let's not forget Jimmy Stewart. Gregory Peck needs a mention.

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    I can not believe this thread has gone this far and no one has mentioned The Duke.

    3rd post.

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    Eddie Albert, earned a silver star or navy cross, (don't remember what one anymore) @ tarawa pulling wounded marines off the beach...

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    Audie Murphy was another one in the bio pic "To hell and back". Did a lot of westerns after that.

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    Didnt John Wayne play Red Adair in a movie? [quote]

    Hellfighters, he played a character based on Adair. If I remember correctly, Red Adair was technical advisor for the movie. Also starred Jim Hutton.

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    Professional figure skater, Johnny Weir

    “Judging others makes us blind, whereas love is illuminating.”
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    claude akins. who could forger audei murphy in the classic shane

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    Audie Murphy is such a man. John Wayne...Clint Eastwood. I would kill a room a bunnies to shake any of their hands.

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    Charlton Heston NRA past president, and Tom Selleck past NRA president. Both great actors and not Girly men!!!!

    It's good sportsmanship to not pick up lost golf balls while they are still rolling---Mark Twain
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    Always been a fan of Edward G. Robinson. Didn't do westerns but was a great gangster,

    Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly.
    (Robert Kennedy)
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    Alan Ladd starred in "Shane."

    Was EGR worried that someone was going to steal his slippers?

    A man without a shillelagh is a man without an expedient.
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    I always liked the persona of James Arness as Marshal Matt Dillion in the long-running TV series. It wasn't
    the most sophisticated script, and you never doubted Marshal Matt would have the upper hand, but given
    that, Arness did a convincing job. Unlike many actors, he was an actual combat veteran and had been
    wounded at Anzio early in World War II while the U.S. military was on a learning curve with combat landings.
    My uncle was in the Pacific landing at Tarawa which was a particularly miserable "dress rehearsal" for
    amphibious landings. He figured out you didn't have to take each load of fuel drums to the beach and line
    them in in neat little rows, but could just ride them in on the tide. It saved a lot of lives and he earned
    the Bronze Star (landing craft officer was his role).

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    Without question:
    Both
    Indiana Jones
    Han Solo

    - Jason
    "Lost in thought and lost in time... While the seeds of life and the seeds of change were planted... Outside the rain fell dark and slow... While I pondered on this dangerous but irresistible pastime..."
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    Lee and the Duke in Donovons Reef

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    I'm going with Glen Ford and Steve McQueen

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    I'm not buying into Hollywood actors as being icons of manliness!

    They didn't come more manly than good ole Gen George Washington or Gen Thomas Jackson.

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    Conan. Just sayin. Lol.

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    Let me put General Douglas MacArthur.

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    John Wayne in The Quiet Man.

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    If I name Kevin, will I get automatic purple status?

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    I didn't notice James Coburn, Charles Bronson, Randolph Scott or Joel McCrea on this list yet.

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    I'm not buying into Hollywood actors as being icons of manliness!

    They didn't come more manly than good ole Gen George Washington or Gen Thomas Jackson.

    One man James Steward. Good ole Jimmy was drafted into the military during WWII and failed for being underweight, he then bulked up and enlisted, the man flew from WWII to Vietnam.
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    James Stewart is a good choice. If an actor actually saw combat on the front line, then I do find them acceptable as an icon of manliness. Earnest Borgnine comes to mind.

    "During his naval service Borgnine rose in rank from seaman to gunner's mate first class. Upon his discharge in 1945, he was allowed to wear the American Campaign Medal, the Good Conduct Medal, the American Defense Service Medal with Fleet Clasp, and the World War II Victory Medal."

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    Gen George Paton,
    Gen Douglas McArthur,
    American history, even world history is full of real manly men.
    sorry but hollyweird freaktards will never measure up to any of the rough riders, of war vets, or mr.Crispus Adix that's the first man to stand up to the English army here in America. He was a black business owner, and he was killed in the sparking of the American revolution.
    Gen George Washington crossing the Potomac river in John boats with ice flowing on Christmas eve night to face the Hessians on the other side.
    Martin Luther who nailed grievances to the front door of the almighty church knowing it was his death warrant.
    His name sake who came later, Martin Luther King Jr. Who stood up for civil rights in the Jim crow south and did so knowing he would be killed eventually.
    real men who stood with strength and courage through out history.

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    I used to have a poster of Lee Marvin as his character in "The Wild One" on the wall in my office. A placard below read "Lee Marvin - Patron Saint of Office nnnn". He was waaaaaayy cooler than Brando.

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    Lee Marvin is a great pick. Served as a sniper in WW2 and was shoot several times in the butt at Iwo Jima.

    I'll add Ted Williams.

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    All good picks, but manliness is not just sticking your chest out during combat, Men who take care of aging parents, and kids with disabilities, Manliness can take many forms, Being a good man and doing the right thing in a world of slings and arrows is my definition of Manilness. Oh by the way McArthur boggled out and left Wainright to show what Manilness is all about.

    The Old Cajun
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    Prometheus of Greek mythology.

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    Hugh Hefner

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    Bradley is correct. A real man is tough and gentle, and does right even when it hurts to do so.
    One who does right and stands for what's right even when its a friend who is wrong.

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    I'm with Bradley on this one too. I routinely operated for 72 hours straight in the Nav, Gulf 1, Somalia. I've owned my own Krav Maga school ant trained with many of the great MMA fighters and being manly to me is taking care of my wife and son, and being the best role model to my son as possible. I do not want him to feel the need to be able to fight like I felt.

    That said, my icons are defined by my experiences: Admiral Horatio Lord Nelson, John Paul Jones, Admiral Nimitz,, and Admiral Robert Copeland (turned his destroyer into a vastly superior Japanese surface fleet, ensuring its doom, but by doing so emboldened the other destroyers in Taffy 3 to follow suit and caused the Japanese to withdraw thus saving the Leyte Gulf landing).

    Better men than I.

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    I am the captain of my soul."
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    This is obviosuly an American discussion. I find it interesting to see the definitions of manliness being proffered; in Europe one of the most popular actors is Vincent Cassell, who often plays a tough guy, but he is almost always a tough guy with something extra, usually very articulate, stylish and prone to philosophy, with a sense of the un-necessariness of his situation. Ken Watanabe is a great Japanese tough guy, almost autistic but with a strong moral sense in an often terrible world. But I'm sure we all agree that Manliness is almost by definition a term which deliberately limits itself. For me, at least when thinking of American icons, Robert Redford is everything a man should be, the embodiment of a better time; never a coward, always hardworking, measured, courteous and civilised but with an independence and dignity few possess.
    Thinking of today's ideals of masculinity, I can understand how young men beginning to make their way in the world can be confused or even perverted, surrounded by a new breed of "musician" whose only contribution to society seems to be to brag incessantly about what they've taken from it. Turn on MTV any day of the week and one can be forgiven for wanting to give up on anyone under 25 year old. Right now we have so few examples of integrity, from any sphere of life, be it business, politics, sport or "culture", that it is no wonder the membership is forced to look back to their father's generation for examples of how to live.
    So I would say that, right now, someone like Moby would be a decent example of manliness; intelligent, articulate, creative and productive, with a sense of his responsibilities.

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    Thanks to everyone who posted. It was a good trip down memory lane.

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    Lee Marvin/Clint Eastwood- Paint your Wagon.. It's a must see.
    For me would be "The King of Hollywood" Clark Gable!

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    "Paint Your Wagon" is absolutely one of the best ways to spend an evening with the family. Two of the toughest screen personalities in a musical. Singing? Marvin and Eastwood? "I was born under a wondering star . . . " and Marvin pulled it off!

    Icons? I'd love to spend an evening with James Garner. His politics aside, Korea service, Rockford Files and, I think one of the best movies ever made "The Americanization of Emily" would make for interesting conversation. Ah, who am I kidding, I'd love to engage him in a bit political repartee also.

    James Caan would be another. "Gardens of Stone" pretty much summed up what was happening in America during the war in Nam. If you are too young to remember and want a really unbiased overview of the mixed emotions of the Country, rent it! Then settle in, no distractions, and watch it closely.

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    Nick Offerman

    Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
    -C. S. Lewis, English essayist & juvenile novelist (1898 - 1963)
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    Okay, think outside the box with me for a minute. It could be Susan B. Anthony who stood down nearly all the men
    of the U.S. and most of the women, when she went to register to vote, was hauled into court, found guilty, and fined $100 for
    voting (U.S. versus Susan B. Anthony) and announced she would never pay the fine, and never did. That's some
    two fisted macho crap that went down there.

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    +1 MSO. Demonstrated intestinal fortitude in the face of adversity. That gets my vote every time.

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    My personal favorites beeing; Clint Eastwood and the Duke....but wanted to add a few new names to the list;

    William Holden
    Sven-Ole Thorsen
    Kirk Dougals

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    Allow me to submit for your consideration Major Jack "Mad Jack" Churchill. A WWII British Commando officer notable for bowhunting Nazis, carrying a Scottish broadsword into battle, escaping from Sachenhausen concentration camp, winning two DSOs, and taking up surfing in his retirement. He also had a couple of small film roles...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Churchill

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    My vote is for General (then LTC) Hal Moore. His actions in Viet Nam were amazing.

    Another vote for Hugh Hefner, I think we all wanted to be like Hef at one point or another.

    I would also like to offer up an Honorable mention, Oskar Shindler. What he did and scarificed for the Jews working for him so they would not be sent to concentration camps, to me, is very manly. Shame he was pretty much a piece of crap for the other portions of his life.

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    Chuck Yeager.

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    Beck Weathers. An American mountaineer caught in a disastrous monsoon blizzard on Everest in 1996. He'd had some early, experimental eye surgery, and since nobody had ever taken eyes that had undergone that procedure to those altitudes, nobody knew that he'd go blind above 27,000 feet until he lost his sight. Then the storm blew in, and he basically spent 26 hours frozen into a snowbank high up in the death zone on Everest. An expedition doctor found him so deep in a hypothermic coma that there was no point in a rescue attempt; he later said that Weathers was as close to dead as he'd ever seen a live human being.

    A few hours later, Weathers says, he suddenly remembered that he had a wife and kids back home in Texas, woke himself up out of his hypothermic coma (which is exceptional; I have never heard of anybody doing this, ever), and started staggering back down the mountain, his arms frozen above his head. He made it into an upper camp, and was eventually rescued. He's still alive and well today, and later said that he'd realized that his climbing obsession had taken a real toll on his family, but that the rapprochement he'd had with his family as he recovered from Everest made the whole ordeal worthwhile and that he'd do it all over again.

    And then there's Anatoly Boukreev, a Russian climber who'd summited Everest without oxygen earlier that day. When the storm blew in, he suited up, scrounged some oxygen cylinders from the Sherpas, who were refusing to go outside (when the Sherpas are wiggling out you know you're in trouble), and headed back up the mountain looking for climbers to rescue. He did this three times, bringing three other climbers back down the mountain in appallingly bad weather conditions. He died on K2 a few years later.

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    I met Beck Weathers many years ago, my boss was his personal attorney. An Unbelievable story and an amazing guy.

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    Team Hoyt began in 1977 when Rick asked his father if they could run in a race together to benefit a lacrosse player at his school who had become paralyzed. He wanted to prove that life went on no matter your disability. Dick Hoyt was not a runner and was 36 years old. After their first race Rick said, "Dad, when I’m running, it feels like I’m not handicapped." After their initial five mile run, Dick began running every day with a bag of cement in the wheelchair because Rick was at school and studying, unable to train with him. Dick was able to improve his fitness so much that even with pushing his son, he was able to obtain a personal record of a 5k in 17 minutes.

    As of April 2012, the Hoyts had competed in 1,077 endurance events, including 70 marathons and six Ironman triathlons. They had run the Boston Marathon 30 times. Also adding to their list of achievements, Dick and Rick biked and ran across the U.S. in 1992, completing a full 3,735 miles in 45 days.

    They also compete in triathlons. For the swim portion of the triathlon, Dick uses a rope attached to his body to pull Rick sitting in a boat. For the cycle portion, Rick rides on the front of a specially designed tandem bike. For the run portion, Dick pushes Rick in his wheelchair.

    Rick turns 51 in 2013 and Dick 73. As they speak and travel more, they are racing less. At the beginning of their career, they participated in 50 races per year but now aim for 20-25 races per year. They still say they don't see an end in sight yet.

    A bronze statue in honor of the Hoyts was dedicated on April 8, 2013, near the start of the Boston Marathon in Hopkinton, Massachusetts.

    The Hoyts did not finish the 2013 Boston Marathon. They had about a mile to go when two bombs exploded near the finish line, and were stopped by officials along with thousands of other runners still running the race. They were not injured. A bystander with an SUV gave them a ride to the Sheraton hotel but they were temporarily separated from Rick's wheelchair.

    "Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong." - Corinthians 16:13
    "Let us be English or let us be French . . . and above all let us be Canadians." – Sir John A MacDonald
    "The world was to me a secret which I desired to divine." - Frankenstein, Mary Shelley
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    I'm jealous; Weathers is definitely a personal hero of mine, both for being about as indestructible and resilient as a person can get and in terms of his personal growth after he came back down the mountain. I'd love to meet him one day.

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    I heard an interview with Truman Capote by Johnny Carson (c 1972) the other day. Capote, after saying that all actors are stupid, said "Marlon Brando is so stupid it makes my skin crawl". Carson said "but Jill St. John has a 140 something IQ." Capote:"That is why she can't act." I photographed actors for a living for over eleven years. Whereas I am not ready to agree that they all are stupid, an awful lot of them were.

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