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  1. smittyd

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    I am me, and have been reading a lot of comments on everyone's tobacco cellar. Not to sound dumb, but is that just aging or is there more to it

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    Taking advantage of sales has greatly increased my cellar and aging is a bonus. With all the concerns with the FDA, Dunhill going away, other blends availability issues, internet tax issues, ducks, etc. tobacco isn't going to get any cheaper.

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    Aging, plus ensuring availability, due to both normal market changes and also the upcoming FDA "deeming" rule changes.

    It's never going to be less expensive nor more available than it is now.

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    You're cellar is basically all the tobacco you have on hand, whether it be 10 tins, or 1000 tins. Some of course have much more than that, believe it or not . Anyway, to explain the short version... Some have a cellar of their favorite blends, that has just accumulated over time as they try more blends. Some cellar for the main purpose of aging their blends, especially the Virginia smokers, and some cellar like a mad man to hopefully beat the terrible oncoming doom of the Tobaccopalypse, the Armageddon of blends, the Ragnarok of the pipe blenders, the Mayan calendar of tobacco blends manufactured after a certain date....... or a combination of everything I said above

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    You will need a place to keep your tobacco that is out of the light and in a temperature that is fairly constant. You don't want it at 45 degrees in the winter and then 80 in the summer. Some tobacco ages better than others. Things like Va, Vaper and Vabur flakes age really well for decades. Other blends don't age as well. Lastly you need money and lots of it. If you want to get your cellar built before the shit hits the fan, buy as much as you can now as prices will never be lower and blends are going to start disappearing at a high rate.

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    Thanks for all the advice. Guess I will re-do the monthly budget

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    All good advice. Tobacco will only get more expensive and blends will become more difficult to find. I have a number of blends in my pile that are no longer available, such as Motzek Strang and Bringham Klondike Gold, that I really like and that weren't on the endangered list. You rarely get any warning that a blend is going to disappear, it just does. Add to that the benefit of aging and there's little real downside to cellaring as long as you provide a good storage space.

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    I think I read another recent thread where you are currently working to determine what your tastes are.

    I've been smoking pipe now only seven months, so I'm no expert.

    I grabbed a bit from each "category" early on (English, VaPer, VA, Burly, etc) and then began just following the sales of the ones I like.

    If I get tins, it's one for now and one or two for the cellar. If I get bulks, I jar 3/4 and smoke up the rest.

    It has bitten into my budget a bit, but I feel better now facing the FDA crap, having at least a few Easter eggs in my basket.

    Anything brought to market after a date in 2007 is at risk of disappearing from the market soon. The best case scenario is that you find things you like that have been around longer than that. If you find you really like some newer stuff, try to cellar some.

    I am a strategic tightwad. For instance, I've found that I really like Peter Stokkebye's Luxury Bullseye Flake and also MacBaren's HH Old Dark Fired.

    Since PS LBF has been around before the cutoff date and ODF has not, I'm cellaring ODF and not as worried about future availability of the LBF. (although I'm still cellaring some LBF for the other reason--everyone assures me that it is much tastier when aged)

    Without a crystal ball, we are all just speculating. But, like a gun or a fire extinguisher, it's better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it....

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    Jesse, I got lucky with the Klondike Gold in that once Peck told me about it, I went balls deep cellaring that one as I knew I was competing against him. I was ordering 25 tins at a time from SP and PC and got plenty before the axe fell. My other favorite that disappeared(Rotary Navy Cut) I knew was going to disappear as it was the only blend that Rotary sent to this country and I knew it was not long for the world. I have others that I believe will be disappearing sooner rather than later but those are gut feelings, much like the Rotary.

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    Thanks Jaytex 969 for the good advice . I am going to try some different things this weekend and see what i like so i can stock up before the impending doom.

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    Seeing what fits your budget and cellaring that amount every month is a great idea and a good plan. When I built mine I tried to cellar what I most liked and what was representative of what I'd always smoked. Good luck!

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    Yes, I work tobacco into my budget, like utilities and insurance. I am allotted $300 a month, sometimes I spend more, sometimes when things are tight, I spend less. This has given me the ability to push up to almost 500 lbs of tobacco in storage. I have just now started to taper off my buying as some of it reaches 5 years in age.

    Unfortunately, you are coming to this as companies are starting to dissolve and men are taking the heard mentality into buying up all that remains of disappearing companies. Moooo! Prices are rising (but still the cheapest form of tobacco usage) and lawmakers are penning ways to stop the industry as a whole as we speak.

    I have had a room built with my last additions to the house, and I keep all of my tobacco at a constant 65F year round. But, Pipestud posted once that he has a client that swears by storing his in the sun. Some swear by colder temps. I don't think there has been any real scientific studies to show what significantly shows improvement, nor do we all agree what the word "improvement" means, as some guys don't even like the effects of aging. So... you'll just have to find what suits you and your situation and hope for the best.

    However, if you are curious about what the effects of aging does on certain blend types, you can purchase aged tins from Pipestud (Steve Fallon) and try for yourself. You do pay for the age, but to me it's worth it to try things you will never be able to try otherwise. YMMV

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    That's commitment to build a room just to cellar your tobacco!

    Save what you can afford and what you like in the space you can.

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    I went about starting my cellar relatively late in my pipe smoking adventure. I had tried various blends, but in a haphazard way, without documenting them with my notes on those I like and the ones I didn't.

    I went to SP and had a look at their best selling bulk and tin blends and ordered 10 from each category based on what I remembered I like about certain tobaccos I had tried before. From there I started taking notes diligently and found that I was veering towards a particular tobacco, namely, Orientals, Virginias and Scottish/Balkan mixtures.

    With the rumors about Dunhill, I bought up 10+ tins of the blends I liked by them, particularly Aperitif, EMP, Royal Yacht and Dark Flake. From there, I continue to use the method of buying 2 at a time for new blends I came across, one for now and one for later, as described above by others. For bulk stuff, I kept my orders small, until I found one I liked. Then, I got a pound of whatever that blend was and promptly stored it in mason jars.

    Since there are a multitude of blends to be sampled out there, I am continually finding new ones that I like. What is important to keep in mind are the FDA regulations that are looming. If the blend you are looking to cellar is on the chopping block, then you would obviously want to buy as much as you can. One easy way I've found of verifying this is to look on tobaccoreviews.com for a review prior to 2007. If there are no reviews that far back, start buying that blend now before it's gone.

    Here in NYC, space is at a premium, so I do not have the luxury of a smoking room/office or even a front/back porch or garage. I have a modest pipe cabinet where I keep my pipes and jars/tins, with some other hidden spaces throughout the apartment to house the overflow. As long as it's dark and the temp is consistent throughout the year, you should be fine with storing.

    Good luck. If there's one hard fact I've learned this year with my cellar, it's that TAD is just as addictive as PAD!

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    That's commitment to build a room just to cellar your tobacco!

    and pipes and all of the other tobacciana stuff. I have been wanting my own wooden indian for a loooong time. But, we took in a foster child last weekend, and all of the stuff in our extra room has been piled into my pipe room to make a new bedroom. So now it's also full of boxes of tax records and old guitars and photography equipment. Oh well...

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    Boy, I feel like a piker compared to the mass hoarders posting here. I'm not buying for investment, just to have what I enjoy smoking available to me when I want it, so the 120 or so pounds, based on my level of consumption, should be more than ample for 20 years.

    Harris, congrats on all of that Klondike Gold. I have a small stash, but twill do. The point is, I have it to smoke when I want it while it's no longer available in the US.

    Having what I want when I want it is my main reason for cellaring.

    Some are investing in tobaccos for future very profitable sales to smokers who didn't cellar. It's probably not a bad move, but time will tell.

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    I just buy under the assumption that pretty soon, we won't be able to any more. Judging by the stars, the way the chicken bones lay, and the writing on the wall, I'd say that betting against that, is a sucker's bet. YMMV

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    Damn cos 500 pounds, how old are you? I have almost exactly half of what you do and I smoke around 11-12 pounds a year. I am 60 so if I live long enough to smoke all of mine I would be amazed. What I don't smoke my kids can sell at a really nice profit.

    Jesse, I actually don't know how many tins I have of the Klondike Gold. I know I have 92 tins I bought from SP as I can see my order history. I have no idea how many I bought from PC because they lost my order history when CI bought them out. I am happy to know I have the 92 and whatever I have over that is just a bonus. One of the reasons I went after it so much was the fact it was aged 2-3 years before it was sold. It smoked so great ( fresh) I was smoking a bunch of it. It was a great seller for Brigham, no idea why they pulled it.

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    When my pipe tool app stopped working, I had just tipped passed 300 lbs, and I wasn't counting any of the pipe tobacco that I had grown myself. Then I binged bought for the last four months. I don't have an exact number, but estimating 4 oz per jar and 10 tins to a pound, I am pretty close to 500 lbs, and I wouldn't be surprised one bit to be past it. But, I have had a steady budget of $300 a month to play with. I am not rich, by any means. I just know how to make a budget and stick to it.

    Whenever I get some free time, Ha ha, I will make up a spreadsheet, but at this point, it would be like taking inventory of a whole store by myself. Not something I would look forward to doing.

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    Buy blends to smoke or because you love collecting and want a stash. Don't buy it for investment purposes - there are far easier and more efficient ways to make a healthy profit than buying pipe tobacco.

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    Don't buy it for investment purposes

    Because when the ax falls, and you can no longer sell online at ALL, you'll never sell it for as much as things are going for on eBay now. How would you, run an ad in the newspaper?

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    Not to hijack this thread, but I thought you can't sell tobacco on eBay?

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    cos, there will always be a black market for things like pipe tobacco. Cuban cigars are illegal to bring into the US. The law states that importing Cuban cigars is an act of trading with the enemy. It carries a fine of up to 50,000.00 and no one I know who had shipments seized ever got a fine or got arrested. US Customs sends out a letter asking you if you want to appeal their keeping your cigars. Of course you just ignore the letter an move on. I know people who have 5-6 letters framed in their smoking rooms. Where there is a will, there will always be a way, that I am positive of.

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    but I thought you can't sell tobacco on eBay?

    That is correct - but only if you get caught.

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    can't sell tobacco on eBay?

    Ohh, you poor rule following guy.... just like you cannot solicit prostitutes on Instagram or twitter, or use Snapchat for porn.

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    So you just list as 'unopened tins'?

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    You can't sell tobacco on eBay but you apparently can sell collectible tins that happen to be sealed and full of tobacco. How stupid is that?

    Having been a short sighted fool 12 years ago when I quit cigarettes and sold off my cigar, pipe and tobacco collection (i quit smoking everything for 6 months), I have been buying like crazy since I started pipe again in November. I see no down side. Being a mcclelland Virginia fan, I bought as much 5100 as I could find along with many of their red Virginia baded blends. Assuming that other companies may also eventually experience problems with quality red Virginia leaf, or even see the quality of their blends lessen, I've stocked up on many of those as well. Thanks to my Director of Tobacco Purchases, Harris, I've found some rationale deals on already aged tobacco and some he simply insisted I buy. And will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. I have three of the large, plastic stackable tubs full now stored in my basement and the next orders that come in will nearly fill a fourth. I'm guessing it must be over 70 lbs in bulk and tins combined.

    My goal is to have a minimum of 150 lbs cellared by the end of the year and over 225 by the end of 2019. I'm 62, so that should provide a reasonable safety net. I figure I smoke 10 to 12 pounds per year. If nothing bad happens to the industry, great, I'll enjoy aged tobacco the rest of my life. If I die, my children can take up pipe smoking, sell it, give it away or throw it away. I don't care, I'll be dead.

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    Mark, here are the plastic tubs I keep a bunch of tins in. I have 6 of them under my bed. I also have my night stand draws filled with tins. I have 3 big drawers per night stand.



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    As you can see I have a highly sophisticated system of putting my tins in order.

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    Buy blends to smoke or because you love collecting and want a stash. Don't buy it for investment purposes - there are far easier and more efficient ways to make a healthy profit than buying pipe tobacco.

    True enough. In fact, no one has ever claimed to have made money investing in tobacco. Well, no one has posted same in response to similar statements over the last few years.

    I know that you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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    You can't sell tobacco on eBay but you apparently can sell collectible tins that happen to be sealed and full of tobacco. How stupid is that?

    According to eBay rules, you can't sell a collectible tin that has tobacco in it. You're supposed to show a picture of the interior of the empty tin. Pipestud got his hand slapped by eBay, so he actually does better with his own site.

    eBay does a crappy job of policing their sites. They don't want to spend that kind of money. But the hitch is that you can sell a tin of tobacco and get screwed by an unscrupulous buyer if they file a complaint, because you're selling banned items. You can end up with nothing. So selling on eBay carries an element of risk.

    If you're going to buy as an investment, something that I don't do, you can sell your holdings at pipe shows or through an online dealer (for now). Support those pipe shows! They may become more important to the community in future, especially if internet sales get banned.

    Buy blends to smoke or because you love collecting and want a stash. Don't buy it for investment purposes - there are far easier and more efficient ways to make a healthy profit than buying pipe tobacco.

    Truer words were never writ. I stock what I like to smoke. The only exceptions are Penzance and Germain's Balkan Sobranie. The Penzance is to share or gift on occasion, or for the occasional trade. Can't abide the stuff myself. The Balkan Sobranie I bought before I was aware of what a bad rendition it is, before it became unobtanium. Eventually I'll get rid of it.

    Harris, the sad thing is that your storage system looks depressingly like mine...

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    Harris, the tubs I purchased aren't as long as yours are but deeper. Keep in mind, I'm putting quite a few mason jars in mine so they have to be deeper. However, I like what you have a lot better for tins. They're cheap, so I'll find some of what you have for tins and keep the blue tubs for mason jars.

    I'm not going for the tins in the drawers. If there is an intruder some night, I feel safer defending myself with a pistol versus throwing a tin of tobacco at them.

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    I'm not going for the tins in the drawers. If there is an intruder some night, I feel safer defending myself with a pistol versus throwing a tin of tobacco at them.

    Just make sure it's a Lakeland tin you're throwing and you shall prevail!

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    Mark, I buy those long ones at Walmart, they are cheap.

    Jesse, I have never bought a blend that I don't smoke and plan on smoking when aged nicely. I joke about making money off of pipe tobacco but the thought of buying tins like Nightcap or others I don't smoke is never going to happen. One day when I am gone, my kids will have some tobacco and pipes that they can sell for whatever they are worth. I am sure my bags of Stonehaven are not going to go down in value. The only money I made on pipe tobacco was a bunch of Murrey Dunhill, Penzance and some Gl Pease blends. I had bought them all in 2002 and after I lost my taste for English blends I ended up selling them in 2012 through 4noggins. My 5 dollar Dunhill tins went for 50-60 on his site, I made a few bucks and was happy as I just spent the ,money on more tobacco.

    Yes there are much better investments than pipe tobacco, private lending being one of them.

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    [quote]Just make sure it's a Lakeland tin you're throwing and you shall prevail!

    LOL I might lose in the ensuing civil suit though for cruel and unusual punishment. Just think, if I threw a tin of Royal Yuck at the intruder, I might be labeled as a terrorist!

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    [quote]Yes there are much better investments than pipe tobacco, private lending being one of them.

    Harris, can I borrow $5M? Oh, and you might know the answer to this. This question is for a friend. If the friend came into some huge sum of money, or even say they were trying to not be found by someone very mean, and was trying to leave the country, do you think there would be problems exiting the country with a large trunk containing pipes and tobacco?

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    The most important thing is to make sure the foundation is above the water table.

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    Mark, your wife has already warned me from helping you leave the country with all your pipes and tobacco. Sorry buddy but she is a lot prettier than you.

    seacaptain, that is a very good recommendation. Here in Florida we have no basements so no worries for me on that one.

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    As I read this thread I wondered: should I have not gotten into this hobby?
    Will I soon be unable to buy pipe tobacco?
    Can someone direct me to the literature that announces this "end of selling tobacco online" doomsday?

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    fredo, there is no literature stating that buying tobacco online is going away. All we have is that a couple of states I believe Wisconsin is one that does not allow their residents to buy tobacco online so the online retailers will not ship to those states. Many of us believe that is going to happen to all 50 states. Pipe tobacco is under siege from the FDA, there are all kinds of articles about that. If you live in one of the low tax states, buying locally is an option.

    Here in my state of Florida they put an 85% wholesale tax on pipe tobacco making it ridiculous to buy at my local tobacconist, as I would have to pay more than double of what I do online. If you are going to get into this thing of pipes and tobacco, you might want to think about loading up on tobacco before you load up on pipes.

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    @fredo, true Roll Your Own tobacco can't be shipped across state lines. There is a huge loophole that allows "pipe tobacco" to be sold that is really meant to roll cigarettes. You see bags of it in convenience stores and also at the major etailers. There is also a revenue loss to the government, which may or may not actually be as significant as the anti tobacco folks think it is, but the do gooders introduce a bill every session of Congress, it seems, to close the "loop hole." In addition to being restricted from interstate shipping, true RYO tobacco is subjected to a higher tax than pipe tobacco.

    That is a long winded explanation, but a scenario that I think is at least as likely to happen as state by state ban. That the anti tobacco crowd hasn't managed to sneak this into some continuing resolution passed in the dead of night is only due to the diligence of a few Congressmen from tobacco producing states.

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    Okay, so just too wrap up the question of legalities portion, because I'm trying to understand it too...
    -There is a possibility, even a likelihood that online purchasing will be going away, meaning you would then be at the mercy of whatever your local retailer may stock.
    -There is also the issue of the "manufacturer's license" (or something to that effect), that would make blending more than two tobaccos together require an expensive license also a possibility. Thereby making small blenders )and presumably, your local tobacco shop) need to bow out. Am I correct in this, and where is that in the looming future? Also, does this possible issue effect blends from someone like Hearth and Home, and therefore they also should be a concern when cellaring?

    All I know is I fell in love w Shortcut to Mushrooms and you all have me freaked out so I bought a pound immediately, lol.

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    There is a possibility, even a likelihood that online purchasing will be going away, meaning you would then be at the mercy of whatever your local retailer may stock.

    Well, then we would be back to catalog sales, like the old days. Otherwise, yes, you're reliant upon your local B&M. But think of the bright side. Thousands of us geezers are going to croak out, leaving our cellars up for grabs, and you'll be able to buy up some good aged stuff.

    There is also the issue of the "manufacturer's license" (or something to that effect), that would make blending more than two tobaccos together require an expensive license also a possibility. Thereby making small blenders )and presumably, your local tobacco shop) need to bow out. Am I correct in this, and where is that in the looming future?

    Yes. But you have a few years before the guillotine blade drops. Start cellaring!

    Also, does this possible issue effect blends from someone like Hearth and Home, and therefore they also should be a concern when cellaring?

    To a lesser extent. Blends that were available for purchase on or before February 15th 2007 will be grandfathered in. Blends introduced after that date will need to go through the FDA deeming process or be taken off the market on August 8th 2021. There are a lot of great blends that will be grandfathered in, like Middleton Cherry.

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    Thanks much, very helpful!

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    Well, then we would be back to catalog sales, like the old days.

    My understanding is that RYO tobacco can't be sold by catalog, either. There are all sorts of Doomsday scenarios we can think of, my own bet would be pipe tobacco being subjected to the same tax and shipment rules as RYO. A lesser Doomsday, perhaps, might be if the Supreme Court reverses the decision that limits states ability to collect sales taxes from out of state mail order/internet shipments, and states like Florida might then be allowed to collect their confiscatory tobacco tax.

    @Sablebrush52, "Estate planning for your clients' tobacco cellars" sounds like a good topic for a continuing legal education seminar.

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    @Sablebrush52, "Estate planning for your clients' tobacco cellars" sounds like a good topic for a continuing legal education seminar.

    I included instructions in my will regarding my cellar.

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    Good for you.

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    The experience of the McClelland debacle has really focused my cellaring. By dumb luck I chose my McClelland favorites as my cellaring priorities in what turned out to be just enough time to get a decent amount for my smoking rate before the closing rumors and subsequent hysteria started. I wish I had more, but it could have been a lot worse, and I’ll be good with those faves for many years. But after going through that, I’ve made a list in order of priority, and I’m buying as if those blends on the list aren’t gonna be around in a couple of years.

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    Being new to pipe tobacco, I'm buying two tins at a time and smoking as fast as I can to figure out what what I like best to get more of.

    Problem is I don't know what something will taste like aged, so I do my best research and pray I'm not steered wrong (here's looking at you Escudo!).

    I'm too young to cellar for life (would need a 1000+ tins), but I hope to build enough to sustain me if we really do lose the right to buy tobacco online or restrictions are upheld. I'm also hoping that it fizzles out and actually turns to dust, but I dont know enough about the FDA regulations to make a call one way or the other.

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    Good to excellent bulk tobaccos can be jarred for your cellar, and will reduce the acquisition cost substantially. And you don't have to cellar now for life! (unless you believe in a draconian future in your country.)

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    Bulk is a good option, I have about 8 different types (mostly Stokkebye) that I can easily see myself buying more. Jar storage is a little more tricky...

    And I hope and pray the future is bright for many things, but the way some of these posts read come 2021 (which at first was 2018), tobacco prices will jump and we'll lose a lot of good blends. That's the future, for now I'll enjoy my Gaslight and newly discovered Haddos on my back porch and just be.

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    I got in the hobby and just started buying tobacco, my cellar happened because I couldn't smoke as fast as I could buy.

    I'm a fan of Klondike Gold, but didn't go deep enough. If anyone wouldn't mind parting with 3 to 5 tins, I'd be happy to pay if anyone wouldn't mind parting with any they feel they wont get around to smoking. Hit me up with a PM and we can talk pricing.

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    Thinking about it asking for 3 to 5 tins from someone seems a bit greedy. 5 tins the total I'm looking to aquire, I'd be happy with a single tin from anyone's cellar. Thanks.

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    Jar storage is a heavy PITA but well worth it compared to the cost of buying tins. Jars are cheap at the end of summer and reasonably cheap year round from Target or Walmart with even free delivery. Plenty of good bulk blends at good prices out there. C&D, D&R, Dunhill, PS, Rattray's, Mac Baren, etc....so many good bulks to cellar at a relative bargain. Wait for the big bulk sales and stock up.

    My advice for storing bigger mason jars is to leave them in the carton they came in, sort the jars by tobacco brand and/or age, and stack them in a dry environment so that the cardboard trays don't absorb moisture and lids don't rust. Leave the plastic wrap on to give the boxes some added support and protection. You can either cut it off at the top of the tray or slit the top of the plastic, then fold it over the lip of the tray and under the jars for added strength and protection. I learned that slitting the tops of the shrink wrap into flaps also makes a pretty good dust jacket too.

    I use 1/2 pint jars and wooden or plastic soda crates for my working stash.

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