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  1. bubbadreier

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    Okay everyone, I am looking to pick up a hand gun. I have two that are locked up in a gun safe at my parents house (my grand father gave them to me) but the are both revolvers, and I am looking for something with a clip. I plan on using it mainly at a range once a week, it will also stay loaded in my nightstand for home protection, and I will possible use it for my CC. The main problem I am having is there are so many choices out there and I am just not that versed when it comes to hand guns. I have a few in mind... Glock 17 9mm? Colt 1911? etc.... I am just not certain what would fit my needs and be under $600. Any help would be much obliged!

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    Also note that I am 6 foot 5 inches (1.96 meters) tall and I have big hands!

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    Well, for starters do you live in a duplex or apartment building? If so then you probably don't want to use a pistol for home protection as the bullet could travel through a wall/ceiling/floor etc. That aside, whatever you decide I would suggest crossing the prices against this website, Cheaper Than Dirt, they ship to a local authorized gun dealer in your area. From what I am told by friends and my father's friends (who buy way too many guns lol) is that they have some of the best prices around. I am no gun expert and am just getting into the hobby but I have done some research on guns for home protection.

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    I'd stay away from magnum calibers living in an apartment. the ability to go through walls is higher as wallbright said. liability becomes an issue in during self defense.
    That being said... I carry a .45 most days. My favorite is a WWII version by Springfield just because it's the closest and simplest to what I carried in service. gotta love it. Sometimes I carry it's nemesis a Bulgarian Makarov. caliber 9x18.
    Slightly larger than a .380 but more powerful and that gun can take a beating.
    There's nothing wrong with revolvers and having a speed-loader or two around. What ever you choose, get some practice time in with it. And then get in some practice every few months at least.

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    The solution to wallbright's issue is "hollow points" won't travel to far once it hits something.

    Kimber is an out standing conceal carry weapon . ultra cdp 2 .45 , but a little pricey at $1200.

    They have recently. Come out with a lovely 9mm (kimber solo). About the size of the .380 , but its 9mm and kimber.....under $700

    I've heard good things about SigSaur, I'll probably consider them the next time I'm ready to purchase. ....price point and availability of used

    Of course if I wasn't worried about concealment, id absolutley look for a dble Stack .45..

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    Pistols are like pipes. Pretty much any major manufacturer (and most of the smaller ones) will build a reliable, durable, accurate firearm. I suggest finding a range that does handgun rentals, and try a few yourself. The difference in ergonomics, dimensions, and firing behavior between various makes, models, and calibers is indescribable. Just between the Glock and 1911 you mention there is a world of difference... yet many similarities. Anything from Glock, Ruger, Beretta, Colt, S&W, Sig Sauer, H&K, etc. won't let you down if in good repair, and all can be found (at least used) within your price range. Be careful with the 1911s, some makers are fantastic, some are craptastic, and it's not always based on price.

    Even for a big dude size is a concern for a concealed carry piece. Trust me, a big carry piece becomes a damn boat anchor after a while. I know, I've carried a primary and backup daily for the past 17 years and gone through numerous makes/models/calibers looking for the perfect piece. Look at the Glock 17, the 19, and the 26 (standard, compact, subcompact.) My recommendation would be to look at the Glocks, and consider 9mm. Light recoil, cheap ammo, easy to learn, easy to maintain, easy to find holsters and other accessories... and the holster makes a world of difference when carrying... but look at and shoot as many different makes/models and calibers as you can. Glocks are generally reasonable and you stand a better chance of getting a new one in your price range than some other makes... you probably won't find a reputable 1911 new for $600.00 these days.

    Right now, personally, I have a Glock 17 for those heavy days, a 19 for daily carry, a 26 for light days, and a Ruger LCP .380 for backup and "a gun to carry when I'm not carrying a gun." 9mm will do anything you need it to do, it's all about shot placement. A mild caliber you can hit with is better than a super magnum you miss with.

    I have a fair bit of professional and recreational firearms knowledge, feel free to IM with any specific questions. I assume there are IMs on this forum?

    Oh, by the way... the detachable ammo feeding device on a modern semi-automatic pistol is a "magazine", a clip is something different (even if Hollywood doesn't differentiate.)

    Good luck with your search!

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    Get a Sig in 45 cal .

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    The solution to wallbright's issue is "hollow points" won't travel to far once it hits something.

    I think the liability is in if you miss and it goes through a shared wall or something. I don't doubt that a hollow point wouldn't travel far after hitting a perpetrator but like I said I am afraid of what happens if the perp. strikes you or something out of the ordinary happens and you miss and it goes through a wall or something. I am a very cautious person though so I might just be overly worried and I mean no disrespect by any of this.

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    I was not refering to a perp. Hollow points are just polite, and used to protect your neighbors from errant shots

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    Maybe the stories I have heard are higher caliber guns then? Or maybe I am mistaken. I just had always been given the advice to use a shotgun for home protection rather than a handgun.

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    It all depends on what you stoke your shotgun with. Slugs or larger buckshot will go through a lot of drywall, as will pistol bullets... even hollowpoints. HPs tend to plug up with drywall and penetrate like solid bullets would.

    It's counterintuitive but the rounds that penetrate the least in residential situations are high velocity small bore rifle rounds like .223 / 5.56mm, the same ones that penetrate body armor and steel so well... they are so lightly constructed and fast, they tend to break up and penetrate the least in building materials. Really though, unless you're shooting birdshot (a bad defense choice except at very close range) you're gonna pierce walls.

    Of course the best way to insure the safety of your fellow occupants is to hit the bad guy instead of the wall. Bad guys slow down bullets real good.

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    I carry a S&W 40 VE which is a 40 cal and cost under $300. It's reliable and you can't be mad at that price for something to just have around the apartment and go to the range with. The Walther P99 feels REALLY good in the hand (and I also have very large hands) and is pretty awesome. For home protection I'd go with a shotgun. I've been meaning to get a Mossberg for a while now but my pipe funds have cut into my gun funds. Based on this thread I'd guess that they go hand in hand more than I thought.

    I'm with standardgewehr on the rental deal. A lot of ranges have rental guns you can try out. Also, depending on where you live, I'd say hit up a gun show and check some guns out. See how they feel in your hand. The feel goes a long way in my opinion.

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    Glock 17 for the following reasons:

    It falls right into your price range.

    You help the ailing Austrian economy with that purchase,
    especially when you love it and decide to buy dozens of it :P.

    It's ultra-reliable and ultra-safe. Not having to worry about
    the handling is nice when you are in distress and will improve your
    performance in those extreme conditions.

    17 rounds of 9mm is good firepower unless the assailant is out for you.

    It's rather accurate.

    It will last you many times longer than other guns and the maintenance
    is negligible.

    As a plus the grip is big, too, so it will fit well in your palm.

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    1911 Colt.

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    Hey Bubba:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/hickok45#p/u/14/ri5AyXzxb4o

    I shot this a couple times and i was like a kid in a candy store.
    Sorry for the sound quality but his Glock 19 (second video) has a better sound quality. Hes a pretty tall guy too with big hands.

    and 41:10 minutes of GLOCK HISTORY!
    http://www.youtube.com/user/hickok45#p/search/2/ddP7IHHnM4A

    Enjoy whatever gun you get!

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    I've been very happy with my Glock 27 .40 cal. It's a sub-compact but fits my hands nicely with the magazine extensions. It's a great choice for concealed carry.

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    Check out the Beretta 92fs. It's the gun the U.S. Military and NATO picked.
    One of the most tested handguns in the world. They make tons of accessories
    for it (Holsters, internal laser sights, hi-cap mags}.

    Whatever you choose, don't forget to post some pics.

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    I have been a Glock man for years but Taurus has just some out with a new one that I am looking at. It can fire either .44 or 410 shells and it's a pistol that even a woman can handle. For home protection, a pistol with 410 buckshot shells would be hard to beat.

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    Really like the Springfield Armory XD line. Good pointer, nice shooting and won't break the bank. You get alot of goodies with a new XD too. Good home defense handgun.

    http://www.springfield-armory.com/xd.php

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    Glock 19.

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    I carried a Glock 22 (.40) and later a Glock 21 (.45) for many years. I later transitioned to a Kimber 1911 TLE/II after transfering to a tactical unit. Both weapons served me well, and each has their pro's and cons. Unless you rework a Glock, it will not be the accurate tack driver that the Kimber 1911 is. The intent of the Glock is to be a combat handgun, loosened tolerances, and to work in adverse environments/conditions, and it does this very well. If I had to pick between a Glock and a Kimber for survival if dropped on a deserted island, I would pick the Glock for the reliability factor. For day to day use where I can clean my weapon frequently and as required, I will pick the 1911 hands down as it is (for me) more accurate, and when cleaned and maintained, just as reliable. Not maintained, the 1911 will be prone to rust and feeding failures. The Glock is less susceptable to rust, and even when dirty just seems to work. All that being said, and that is not even .1%, it really boils down to what you like, are comfortable with, and have trigger time with. You can have the best weapon in the world, but if you are proficient with it, its crap.

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    Desert Eagle, that is all.

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    Thanks for all the advice guys! I looked around at a few of the ranges (online that is) and no where does it talk about renting guns, I am goi g to call them today and ask. Now those 2 suggestions I gave in the original post where just two of many I was looking at, but I would love suggestions on any hand gun; like many of you have been doing!

    Also by home protection I mean a house! I would never keep a gun in an apartment complex! And to those that suggest a shotgun, I have 10 shotguns and an M4 that would work, I would just like to have a pistol as well!

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    Glock 21 Glock 21 Glock 21

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    I'd go with an m & p in 45 or 40. I shoot a 9mm, but I'm a one handed shooter with a cane.

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    Hey Bubba

    I sold guns at gunshows for 13 years, about 36 weekends A year.
    I have carried A 1911 for many years, as I got older the 1911 got
    heavier. Now I cary A colt defender, much lighter but basically
    the same gun.

    Having said all that, IMHO standardgewher has it nailed, everything
    he says is correct, especially in the first paragraph.

    Thanks

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    I carried a Baretta .25 cal. as a back up in the old days.
    It fit nicely behind my buckle of my duty rig.
    I still carry it. Small, light, reliable, and 9 shots including 1 in the "pop" top.

    Note: This isn't mine. It is (pardon the pun) a stock photo.

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    Glocks are not what some think they are.
    the Barettas may be the military choice for now, but that's not a popular choice.
    The 9mm sucks for defense and it's been proven against drugheads and terrorists.
    I'd still recommend a nice .45 Springfield or Colt.

    oh and if you load a shotgun with 00buck you are basically shooting several projectiles that are .38 in size. And it depends... surely they're not recommending 3.5" shells in 00buck for home defense. LOL

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    I love discussing this topic! Everyone's opinion differs a little, based on their own personal experience, but everyone is also dead on!

    And in the final analysis, what works for YOU is what's right. Practice, practice, practice. Shot placement trumps caliber selection. No single weapons system is everything you've heard about it in common lore. The .25 you have with you is better than the .45 locked up at home, but you should carry the most powerful pistol you can effectively conceal, carry always, and shoot accurately. The first rule of a gunfight: HAVE A GUN!

    I salute the collective wisdom of my fellow gunslingers on this forum and look forward to seeing what Bubba ends up with!

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    but you should carry the most powerful pistol you can effectively conceal

    That is the exact thought I had while I was thinking about this.

    Here in the Sunny South, it gets hot early in the Spring. So, the choice is one that is light and easy to conceal. In the Winter I carry a Ruger .45 because I am usually wearing a jacket.

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    Its amazing how ridiculous everyones advice is. For home nightstand defense you want a sawed off Remington 870 pump with the restriction removed and staggered shells of sandbag, buckshot and then deer slug. Take them down with the bag, shred their groin with the buck shot and then stop that gawd awful moan and crying with a skull vaporizing deer slug.

    All of that assumes you don't just grow a pair and use a spear fishing gun like a man should.

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    Just get a 9mm. I agree a .45 has a lot of stopping power but r u planning to the outdoors and go into a fire fight with the cartels? 9mm imho is supremd to self-defense and great starter, and if ur wife has to operate it no worries since the kick isnt as great. Glock 19 baby.

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    Greetings,

    First off, let me say I'm a big Ruger fan. American made, reasonable price, VERY reliable. I own a P-89 (9 mm semi-auto), a Blackhawk (single action .357), both are excellent and always work.

    That being said, check out http://www.ruger.com/products/lcp/models.html.

    The new LCP is a .380. I know, some will say under-powered. But for close quarter (under 10 feet) defense, a .380 is adaquate. With hollow points, it shouldn't penetrate surrounding walls in the event of a miss.

    I've got two friends in AZ that carry the LCP, and it's really a neat gun. Small, very thin, and light. Carrys 6+1, and is comfortable to conceal. Price is right, too. Frankly, you hardly know you're wearing it. Reports are it's very reliable, with no misfires or stovepipes. Typical Ruger quality. I believe you can get it with an extended magazine, that adds a little length to the grip.

    As far as a shotgun - excellent home defense weapon, but a bit hard to conceal and carry.

    Stop by your local gun store and take a look at the Ruger LCP. I think you'll be impressed.

    Happy hunting,

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    Great, now I need to add a speargun to the collection...

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    I've been reading a few posts and I had to chuckle. It seems the Glock addicts are about as numerous as the Boswell junkies out there. Just sayin'

    Personally, I carry a Taurus model 605 (sadly, no longer made), 5-shot, .357, ported 2 1/2 inch barrel, rubber grips, black Parkerized revolver. The classic "snub nose". Amazingly accurate, despite the short barrel. Loud, too.

    I like a wheel gun because THEY ALWAYS WORK. Bad primer? Just pull the trigger again. No pausing to rack another round. Remember, in a stressful situation, milliseconds count. And if five .357 rounds isn't enough to stop a perp at close range, then I need to go back to the range and practice.

    Again, just sayin'

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    Great, now I need a speargun AND a Boswell... =)

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    Now that 870 is exactly what you need on the fishing boat, id pack at least 2 just in case.

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    For what its worth - I've got a Beretta M-9 9mm and it' a real accurate shooter, 15 rd clip, easy to clean and take apart and assemble, no discernable recoil (which helps keep shots on target - I am also a large man 6'4" 330 and find it fits my big paw very well - ammo is easy to obtain and reload (so far)and comes w/lot of load/bullet choices - Like many have already said - pistols are like pipes and bacca "theres something for everyones taste and budget" The m-9 is around 6 to $675 I recommend!

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    ^LOL @ standardgewehr
    Oh i think a compound bow would do you well-- i prefer 75LB pull.

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    I was just looking at the Ruger P95... Looks perfect for what I need and has a great price. Adding that one to the list!

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    I carry and train using a G30(.45). If I was at a static range shooting bulls or gaming (IDPA,USPSA,IPSC,3GUN) I would choose something cheaper to feed. 9mm probably. Ammo is more expensive than tobacco. And also all is not created equal.

    Many of the guns mentioned would be a pain to carry. A proper belt and holster can only go so far.

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    Bubba,

    I've been looking real hard at the Ruger P-90, .45 ACP as my next purchase. Same basic look and feel as the P-89, 9mm I've got, just a little bigger. Identical safety/de-cocking arrangement, so it's very familiar.

    I shot many .45's, and really like the round. Less kick than a 9mm, and very accurate. Not punishing at all. An easy gun to shoot all day. I can see why they're so popular.

    CACooper

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    I have a Beretta .380 I like (for when the Rem is in the shop). It's got a great hand feel to it and holds 13 rounds.

    My next gun purchase will be a Beretta Neos. The mob likes the .22 for hit because what it lacks in sheer stopping power it makes up for in cranium bullet bouncing ability so if you are a good shot, you might want to think about using one for home defense.

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    Hey Bubba,

    I carried a Ruger P-90 DC for about 10 years when I worked for the county.
    It's my cold weather carry. You will be very happy with the way it shoots.
    I recommend that you use +P type Ammo. Like Corbon +P high velocity... Mmmmm sah-wheat!
    And, very accurate. One other recommendation... The grips that come standard are a bit slick, so you might invest in a good set of Hoage (I think that's the way it's spelled) grips.

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    Okay so things have changed a bit since my original post. The wife and I talked and she says that I can't spend over $400 (money is a little tight at the moment ) and I have decided to get a 9mm. Now don't get me wrong I am not going to get one hand gun and stick with it. I will get more than one later on, but my first will probably be my only for about a year. So after reading everyone's advice this is the list of possibilities...

    Ruger P95

    S&W Sigma SW9VE

    S&W SD9

    SIG Sauer p250

    Taurus 24/7 pro

    And then these are the big MAYBES, depends on other factors...

    Hi-Point 9mm These run about 170, and have pretty good reviews. Almost everyone say it is a good gun for the money?!

    Last but not least would be the Glocks either the 17 or the 19.


    A cop friend of mine said that a ton of his officer friends are looking to get new handguns soon and all of them have Glocks (many are 9mm he said) and he said I would be able to get them for under $400 and possibly under $300.

    So that is my list, I am hoping to shoot as many of these as I can before I make a decision. Any comments on my choices would be much appreciated.

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    I vote American made. I love my Ruger.

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    That is what I am leaning towards...

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    Well have you test fired most of em? or all of em at a range?
    Ruger:
    P-95

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    If you can get 17 or 19 glock under $400 i would say get it or at least try it first. The sites and grip are superb.

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    I really think I am going to go with the Ruger P95 since I am a left handed shooter... It has a safety and a mag release on both sides! Thanks for the video Shotokun!

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    The Glock has a safety that is unlocked when you deliberately pull the trigger, so you can use it easily with any hand. (I'm a leftie too.) If you can get a new (even slightly used, ca 20.000 shots) one for 300 bucks, get it sometime :P.

    Anyway, if you lean toward the Ruger feeling patriotic, go for it. It's great to feel about something that way and will serve you better in emergencies with that mentality than an unpersonal alternetive.

    I'll buy a hand-forged longsword when I can afford one.

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    If it is Ruger vs. Hipoint. It's really no contest IMHO. Ruger wins. I shot a sigma in .40 was not impressed.

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    The Ruger looks like the only one on your list that's not double action only (DAO).
    This may be a consideration for you. Any of those guns would be fine.
    The Hi-Point would be last on the list. Spend the extra $ and get something that will last.

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    My Ruger is Double Action and has a De-Cocking devise thus the DC in the number.
    The DC is the thumb lever near the butt end of the slide.
    As for the Glock and it's "safety"; What good is a safety that disengages when you pull the trigger?
    However: The Ruger has no safety, save it's Double action feature. Once you load and rack a round, the hammer is back and ready to fire. Use the DC and the hammer is brought forward and the firing pin is recessed into the slide. So even if you dropped the pistol on the hammer, or even hit the hammer with a hammer it will not strike the firing pin and it will not discharge. Where the possibility of a shock caused accidental discharge is present with the glock. Unless I'm quite mistaken the firing pin is spring loaded in the glock, and must be compressed when a round is chambered.
    Please correct me if I'm wrong guys.

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    Just looked it up (wiki). They are available in both DA/SA and DAO.

    Once you load and rack a round, the hammer is back and ready to fire

    Now your gun is in SA mode.

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    @Lawrence: The Glock has a "second trigger" which stands out. you have to pull that one first before you pull the real trigger. The "second trigger" disables/disengages the safeties that make the gun fool-proof, even to shocks (the safeties are too small to have the necessary inertia that causes these shock/drop-accidents). As long as you keep your finger away from the trigger (preferably on the guard), it won't fire.

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    I say stick with 1911 'style'. They're very reliable, parts are cheap, and you can ALWAYS find a gunsmith to tweak it for ya. Who cares if yer a lefty... have someone put an ambidextrious safety on it for ya.

    I did mine myself... about 4/5 of the way down the page.
    http://pipesmagazine.com/forums/topic/favorite-firearms/page/3

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  57. standardgewehr

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    1. For the love of Pete, don't get a Hi-Point. They work... but at the risk of sounding snobbish, they are utter rubbish. The reason they are inexpensive is because they're mechanically simple and made of cheap materials. Both things are BAD. I mean, the guns work but they're just big versions of the uber-cheap .25s like the Ravens or Lorcins... UGH. STAY AWAY unless you just want to say "I has a handgun!"

    2. Rugers are solid, sturdy, American made, reliable, reasonably accurate handguns. I like that. They are a good company and stand behind their guns. Since the death of founder Bill Ruger, they even support the 2nd Amendment rights of American gun owners... I have a Ruger 10/22 rifle, a Ruger LCP .380 pistol, and a Ruger "Super SIngle Six" .22 revolver. I love them. Having said that, my personal opinion is that their "P" series centerfire semi-auto pistols are a bit chunky and clunky compared to the competition. I'm not a Ruger hater by any means, but their manufacturing methods and design are built for ease of manufacture using the investment casting method they perfected, not for sleek sexy lines or refinement. Great guns but not my preference.

    3. Glocks are "striker fired" and have a spring loaded firing pin (striker) that is at "half cock" until the trigger is pulled, then it's pulled back fully and released to fire. Yes, there is no EXTERNAL safety other than that silly teat on the trigger. However, a firing pin safety locks the gun up until the trigger is pulled fully. Most modern autos have passive firing pin locks... you can hammer nails with them, loaded, without fear of accidental discharge. "Keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot" is a cardinal rule of firearms safety.

    4. I can't reiterate it enough, TRY BEFORE YOU BUY if at all possible. Buying a pistol based on Internet advice or pictures in a catalog is a tremendous mistake. Would you buy a car based on aesthetics, features, or advice without a test drive? Maybe a basic pistol course from an NRA certified instructor first... unless you're already an experienced pistolero, best money you'll ever spend!

    Edited to add: Come to think of it, Glocks have been criticized aesthetically and ergonomically too... so I guess I can't be too hard on Rugers in that regard. Further credence to "one man's meat is another man's poison" or "one man's Lakeland blend is another man's Penazance" =) Of course with the tobacco, I like both...

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    I'm a bit surprised no one has mentioned Kahr handguns. Made in the USA, carried by everyone from US Border Patrol to Navy SEALS all of whom swear by them. They're deadly accurate and easy to maintain. I carry a K-40 with Winchester .40 hollow points at the office...cheaper full metal jacket loads on the range. If you check out their website, you'll find a new line of more affordable pieces this year or, better yet, look for a good used gun. Check out the top of the pile before you lay down your hard earned money. You'll pass it on to your kids one day, so don't skimp.

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    http://www.waltherpistols.com/category/41-Walther_PPK_Handguns.aspx

    Surprised no-one's mentioned the Walther PPK/S. Perfect for soft carry and home protection, and I don't even think my neighbor has noticed when I've fired it around the apartment...aftermarket suppressor, naturally.

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    Seakyak says: "I carry a K-40 with Winchester .40 hollow points at the office.. "

    I'll bet that means you can smoke your pipe at work. I want a desk next to your's. I'll bring my Glock 19 with Golden Sabre loads and my pipe also. No safer or sweeter environment anywhere. We don't take complaints at work.

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