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Help! I broke down (and bought a Dunhill)

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  1. alaskanpiper

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    Alright Dunhill/English Pipe nerds. I swore I would never buy a Dunhill. Obviously the controversial pricing and differences in opinion regarding quality (and how much of what you are buying is just the name) had a lot to do with that, but I had an opportunity to scoop an estate one up for a price that seemed reasonable to me for what I was getting. The curiousity finally got to me and I couldn't help myself so I pulled the trigger. (From what I understand this is how most ignorant n00bs like me end up with one).

    I'm sure there are a few members who will tell me I've purchased a mini flower pot (you know who you are *pirate emoji*) , so let's try not to turn this into dump on dunhill/dump on those who dare dump on dunhill thread.

    Simply looking for information from our resident human pipedia geeks about what I've got here. It is a 1973 Dunhill Red Bark Apple. See pics below.

    So my questions are, what have I got here? Does anyone have experience with this shape/era of Dunhill pipes and how they smoke? And what would your best guess be regarding it's value? All parts are (supposedly) original, however the bowl has been reamed a bit, and has a new coating in it, but looks ok (to me anyway).

    Thanks all!

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    Pic 2

    Pic 3 with nomenclature

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  2. jaytex969

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    I own two random Dunhills and I know literally squat about the brand, as a whole.

    That said, both of mine came at reasonable estate prices and both smoke well.

    Your "prince-like" shape is one I admire and it seems to be reasonably cared for.

    The most important thing will be, after you smoke it a few times, how does it perform?

    I'm glad I could answer none of your questions.

    Congrats and enjoy!

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    Your "prince-like" shape is one I admire and it seems to be reasonably cared for.

    The shape had MUCH to do with this purchase. The prince (especially larger bowled/longer ones) is one of my favorite shapes. This one has a fairly small bowl 1.14/.67 but is over 6 inches which is sort of my benchmark for minimum length. There's a joke in there somewhere.......

    The most important thing will be, after you smoke it a few times, how does it perform?

    This is honestly all I really care about. I buy pipes to smoke them. But, if I'm gonna have it, I might as well know what I have, eh?

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    I'm sure there are a few members who will tell me I've purchased a mini flower pot

    I only did that to the ones that wouldn't pass pipe cleaners. That's just unforgivable.

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    That's just unforgivable.

    For the cost at which most dunhills (or most any pipe) are acquired, I can't help but agree.

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    It's a nice shape. I think it's a Ruby Bark finish. You can find out the date of manufacture from the stampings. The numbers after ENGLAND give you the date.

    Here's a good source for grokking Dunhill: http://pipephil.eu/logos/en/dunhill/cledat-en1.html

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    A very nice pipe, I'm sure you'll enjoy it. I think the Red Bark predated the Ruby Bark.

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    That is an early Red Bark, I think they started making them in the early 70's. The staining on the early ones is much nicer than the pipes made in the later 70's and 80's. I am sure she will smoke like a dream for you.

    Don

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    Dating on nomenclature indicates 1973. According to pipedia, redbarks began in 1972/73.

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    The first video of this playlist contains a fair amount of Redbark history and info:

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFwwtvtKlXW9Cck1UslaCawEQg21bD8zS

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    Since the day I was first interested in smoking, I have always thought dunhill’s to be the best looking pipes

    Congrats on this beaut

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    Great Pipe. Enjoy!!!

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    How much?

    I know that you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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    Nice pipe. Early 70s dunhills don't bring as much as 60s and 80s dunhills... unless it's the red bark (like the one you have). Group 2 is on the smaller side and may affect the value... Typically $50-$75 dollars less than a group 4. This would sell on the ebay for around 175-200. Retail store would probably ask 350-400 for it. Hope that helps.

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    Good looking Dunhill in what appears to be decent condition. I’d be happy to own it. Hope you got a good price!

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    Nice pipe! It looks like it would be pretty versatile, for both shorter English smokes as well as flakes.

    This one has a fairly small bowl 1.14/.67 but is over 6 inches which is sort of my benchmark for minimum length. There's a joke in there somewhere.......

    Penis! There.

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    How much?

    $163

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    Not bad. Looks to be around a group 2 or 3. A nice 30-45 minute smoker.

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    A nice 30-45 minute smoker.

    That's what I'm hoping for. With a 2 month old in the house, sometimes the 90 minute break you had scheduled becomes a 30 minute one before it even begins, hahaha.

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    Ha, ha. I know how you felt, sorta, with regard to owning a piece of Alfred's legacy. It all comes down to marketing and quality control.
    The stem alone on that pipe should result in a favorable review.
    My only Dunhill is shown in my avatar, and I wouldn't even smoke it for more than a year, thinking I'd made 'an investment'.
    Once I realized I would never get off my ass and try to sell back for a profit, some of my estate acquisitions, I began to smoke my 1954 Shell and to appreciate its well constructed and comfortable essence. I still don't smoke mine as much as I do an old MM Pride 2nd, but, when I do, I always think of Alfred, and all the folks who have bought in to make the brand.
    'You are not alone' can be comforting.
    I think you'll enjoy yours. I also think that one might be 'enough' in that some of my more inexpensive Grabow's are just as fine to ME.
    Just like tobaccos, learning about brands or makers is its own discipline.

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    Wallah !! what a pipe, Gr. 2 are beautiful !!

    Cheers,
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    It is a nice looking pipe. If it smokes well for you, you like the shape, and the price you paid is something you are comfortable with, that's all that matters.

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    I have a 1976 Dunhill Red Bark Dublin I found in an antique shop. It's a good smoker.

    I am glad we have a good admin and responsible moderators.

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    The first video of this playlist contains a fair amount of Redbark history and info:

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFwwtvtKlXW9Cck1UslaCawEQg21bD8zS


    Who is the gentleman behind these videos? They are great!

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    Realized that it is grumpy cat avatar aka georged.
    Thank you for sharing your knowledge in these videos!

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    I'm not a Dunhill guy (my way of saying I don't own one). But i really like the shape on that one, nice light weight pipe.

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    Nice pipe! I love the way DUnhill's smoke. I hope you enjoy it!

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    It is a nice looking pipe. If it smokes well for you, you like the shape, and the price you paid is something you are comfortable with, that's all that matters.

    +1 to that fine sentiment

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    Realized that it is grumpy cat avatar aka georged.
    Thank you for sharing your knowledge in these videos!

    I always thought that cat had more of a stern expression than a grumpy one. More along the lines of, "OK, human, enough of the string-on-a-stick thing... bring me my dinner."

    I appreciate the arbitrary weirdness of cats in general, you see. Little aliens from another dimension, or something.

    As for the videos, you're welcome.

    I make them for shop guys, but have discovered that some people just like "behind the curtain" info for its own sake. Like how golf balls or bullet proof vests are made & etc. In this case, I remembered going into some detail about the Red Bark line to explain what the project was going to involve and why, which was exactly what the OP asked for.

    If you aren't familiar with YouTube channel organization, know that there are about 20 more projects out there. You just have to go "up" a level from my last link to see them:

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWQlM1pWKqd5prZTdEDANZg/playlists

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    You are right about cats, both your avatar and in general. I am caring for my sisters two cats for a few months
    and I am just starting to see some guidelines in their behaviour.
    I have been watching your videos for the past few days and hope to put some of it into practice.

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    Georged, that video series was pure magic sir. I spent a very enjoyable evening smoking and watching you transform a marginal pipe into something outstanding. Wow.

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    I too broke down and bought a Dunhill just to find out what they were really like. In my case I got a Red Bark prince from the old Sherlock's Haven in San Francisco. The pipe was new, but relatively cheap as the finish was apparently not that popular at the time.

    Mine is a group 3 supposedly, but it is a very small pipe for all of that. I have a Savinelli Punto Oro which is nearly identical. If I covered up the White Spot, I doubt anyone would be able to tell which is which.

    The Savinelli smokes better.

    I have since acquired two more Dunhills. A Dress finish (at my wife's insistence) and a birth year (1949)Shell.

    The Shell is an excellent smoker with one of the more comfortable bits I have experienced but I don't want to generalize about the brand based on my small sample.

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    Georged, that video series was pure magic sir. I spent a very enjoyable evening smoking and watching you transform a marginal pipe into something outstanding. Wow.

    I'm delighted you found it entertaining and/or enlightening. That you watched it while smoking makes it even more satisfying.

    Thanks for the feedback.

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    I think the estate market on Dunhill and White Spot pipes is the way to go. The prices are still pumped up, but they do settle into the zone of rationality. You do have to be alert to the condition of the pipe, so you don't buy more of a restoration project than you want, but at least you aren't paying the "new White Spot tax" at those exalted prices.

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    Very Nice looking classic Dunhill prince, I have seen similar shape as Yours being sold at some Italian based vendors brand new,and they were far from being affordable but definitely all them were classy looking pipes, now, judging from my experience and solely with this my brand new ring grain,yes I'm very delighted and positive how it smokes, simply great,but honestly I shouldn't have been buying it at the full market value since today's WhiteSpots in my eyes are severely overpriced,and then there was this set back with broken shank repair which in the end resulted that this very sucker has cost me so much I would not like to think about it more,

    Paul The Scandinavian'
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    Can someone make out what this is and if it is worth buying?


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    Shape 111, group 3, Shell, with original fishtail stem, made in ?2, in good condition (provided the chamber isn't burned).

    One of the Duke Street Irregulars can probably figure out the "?" digit based on the size and position of the stamping.

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    Sure it's worth it, at some price! A steal at $100 I'd venture. What's the asking?

    Besides the obvious Dunhill marque, I dunno if it's particularly rare or not.

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    It comes with all the original(?)accessories so I guess it won't go cheap but I was looking at the shape of the bowl and wondering if it is from the "rushed production" period?


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    DUNHILL over SHELL BRIAR is 1960's, I think.

    Pipes from the 70's & 80's had DUNHILL SHELL on the same line.

    Based on the stem's shape, my guess is the first digit of the date was "updated" with a later year (not common, but far from rare).

    Chamber condition is key. The rest of the pipe looks good and the accompanying stuff is legit.

    The bowl shape IS a bit wonky and probably got some hard looks from QA, but passed.

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    I can’t make out the date code in the picture, but that’s a late 50s to mid-60s by my guess. I have a 1957 of the same shape and Group number, and it’s a great pipe. Is it worth buying? If you want it, then it is haha.

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  42. paulie66scandinavian

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    That's a very nice looking classic billiard

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    That's a very nice looking classic billiard

    Paul, I'll pass on it so here's the link if you want to have a go?

    Dunhill billiard

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    No matter what people say, Dunhill shapes are a treat for the eye, especially the quaint ones.

    Cheers,
    Chris

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    Just be wary when you reach the pearly gates and Saint Peter asks you if you smoked a Dunhill or not.

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    Er. What'd be the preferred answer, and why?

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    I need to know too! I mean my answer will have to be yes but I am curious about potential consequences.

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