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Has Any from McClelland Actually Made a Statement About Their Future

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  1. azpipe

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    Or is it all hearsay?

    I see so much panic, and my source says this, and I heard from a guy, and so on.......

    What gives?

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    I hope they're not going out of business. They're one of three brands I care about, Dunhill being one also. So, my tobacco world is teetering on the brink.

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    There has been no official announcement from the McNeils. Everything is based on hearsay.

    It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt. - Mark Twain

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    *heresy*

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    I read on this site that someone from another site said they are going to make an announcement soon. I haven't seen anything official from them yet.

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    This is great! I hope it nevers ends.

    I find myself sitting idly on the line dividing past and future,
    as if I could kill time without injuring eternity. -- Thoreau
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    I agree Cortez, this McClellands situation draws me to this site 5 times more than normal.

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    Hearsay at this point. Unfortunately, one of the sources I have heard this from is very trustworthy, and he is in a position that he should know.

    FMC is one of my all-time favorites, if it goes away I'll be very disappointed.

    Doc

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    That was me hoping this is all just a heresy committed against McClelland. A heresy based on hearsay, if you will.

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    The reason I believe it is true is because of this statement.

    "MO2 – No longer produced McClelland’s #27 Matured "

    I took that quote from Pipestud's site. If anyone would know about this situation is is him.

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    Heresay combined with the fact that 75% plus of their products are sold out on the major internet sellers’ sites. Hope springs eternal though.

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    These losses, while painful, are somewhat galvanizing to the pipe community.

    Just remember that voting is great, but armed revolution is more compelling, if you win.

    You heard of the Whiskey Rebellion?

    We can do better with the Tobacco Insurrection.

    Lock 'n load!

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    No official work but don't let that stop you from a spectacular speculation stampede, which seems to have happened already with McClelland tobaccos.

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    If they're not closing shop, then this was a huge money campaign that has paid off.

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    If smokingpipes.com's sudden influx of McClelland tobacco in recent weeks (as shown by checking their stock levels, not only for 40th Anniversary, but a wide cross section of their line) is not a "bulk sale", I have never seen one. You don't need a weatherman.....

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    It could well be just hearsay but the fact that so many of their blends are sold out and no signs of them being restocked by the retailers cannot be ignored.

    Also, many have reported that their local B&M has told them they are unable to restock their products.

    What surprises me most is the speed at which all of this has happened. One has to wonder who is next?

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    this McClellands situation draws me to this site 5 times more than normal.

    And the situation leads us to make 5 times more panic purchases.

    I've got so many orders in the mail that I've lost track of what I bought. I guess I'll find out when I open the packages.

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    I've bought too much 40th and discovered I love Deep Hollow a bit too late...
    This is all very frustrating.

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    There's no such thing as too much 40th.

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    I've bought too much 40th and discovered I love Deep Hollow a bit too late...
    This is all very frustrating.

    In a year or two you will probably be able to trade 40th for Deep Hollow without a problem.

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    40th is a future currency. Like bit coin!

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    40th is a future currency. Like bit coin!

    Any McClelland virginia blend will be worth it's weight in gold.

    I see 40th selling on ebay for around $35 a tin...and it is still available at Smoking. Imagine how much it will go for when it finally sells out. In two or three years it will sell for crazy prices.

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  24. coyja

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    I know I know... but I can't smoke that now, lol!

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    Hmmmm, I wonder if I should buy more?

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    25 tins of the 40th just got taken in less than a few minutes and only 494 left.

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  27. coyja

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    OMG, I think it was in the 700s last night...

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    coyja

    I've bought too much 40th and discovered I love Deep Hollow a bit too late...
    This is all very frustrating.

    I don't see the problem here.

    zitotczito

    25 tins of the 40th just got taken in less than a few minutes and only 494 left.

    I was thinking that it would last until Monday or Tuesday, but not sell out before today (Saturday) or tomorrow, but now I'm thinking that it will be gone by tonight or tomorrow. =O Then we wait and see if any more comes through, how much the price increase will be, what the tin purchase limit might be, or if this current batch is already the last one. I'm thinking that if they are limited to 10k tins, that there might be a little more after this, but not much.

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    I'm thinking that if they are limited to 10k tins, that there might be a little more after this, but not much.

    And slowly but surely the last tins of other McClelland blends are selling out everywhere. I bought a ton of McClelland, but I feel I was unprepared and could have done better. My supply of Dark Star sucks. I always imagined I could just go online and buy a couple more tins whenever I needed to do so. All good things come to those who wait? Ha...not when it comes to pipe smoking.

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    You might have luck calling around and checking B&Ms and asking for what they re-name bulk 2035 Dark Navy Flake as, and buying that. I need to comparo-smoke them some more, but they are pretty close.

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    I'll look around. I did order a bunch of Butera Royal Vintage Dark Stoved.

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    I'm not buying any more McClellands right now, because I have a fair stash of tobaccos for my needs, but I'm not opening any McClellands either, to see how rare a bird I have in these tins. They are the master blender of Virginias, to my tastes. Others do a fine job, but they are the primo blender. That's how I feel about C&D and burley. Then there's Russ O. who can do it all. I am so glad C&D passed off its blending to SPC once the originators were gone or retired. I'm still suspecting, on a very outside bet, that Dunhill will finally pass off its trademark brands to a different owner, whether that would mean maintenance of their character and quality or not, which would remain to be seen. I think this has been the nature of the pipe tobacco market for many years, if you review the history.

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    I agree...I think we will see Dunhill again. Hopefully whoever takes the helm does it justice.

    Nate
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    I just ordered three 100g tins of 40th.

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    [quote]I think we will see Dunhill again. Hopefully whoever takes the helm does it justice.

    Someone would've by now and looming FDA regulations will make it very unlikely!

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    I just ordered three 100g tins of 40th.

    I just raided them for 15.

    It's out everywhere else...

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    As far as Dunhill goes, I think it won't be gone for a while. Mostly because I think many retailers of cigars would have a few tins of dunhill stuff even if they carry nothing else.

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    My B&M sells DNR for small price of $35.99 plus tax.

    Normal tins are $26.99

    They sure will sit around untill we really need them.

    His McCelland has been raided. He had 5 Tudoar Castle which I bought myself at huge premium along with few Balkan Beauties. My buddy got all his Dark Star and St.James Woods.

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    I just raided them for 15.

    It's out everywhere else...

    Still some in stock. They must have had a boatload.

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    Not a big VA smoker, but just in case got 5 tins. May be for future trades.

    Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch’entrate
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    And the clock keeps ticking.

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    Their Red and Black is out now too. Good stuff, I bought one tin a few days ago.

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    Is Virginia Woods any good?

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    I bought 3 tins of VA Woods at a B&M this week, and now I'm too scared to open one to try it, lol!
    Evidently its now part of my son'd inheritance, lol.

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    I bought 3 tins of VA Woods at a B&M this week, and now I'm too scared to open one to try it, lol!
    Evidently its now part of my son'd inheritance, lol.

    My son can fend for himself. I'm smoking it.

    There are 16 or more years of people widely cellaring. And when those crocks croak, tons of tobaccos are going to come onto the market. Don't plan on buying that Norman castle just yet.

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    zitotczito

    Is Virginia Woods any good?

    I can't say, but I would say go with what you know you like at this point.

    365 tins of 40th left, selling 30 to 50 per hour today.

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    JR has some Navy Cavendish and Virginia Woods in stock. Just grabbed 5 each. Decent price too.

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    365 tins of 40th left, selling 30 to 50 per hour today.

    How can you tell? The only thing I see is a sales rank, not a quantity.

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    seacaptain, put 1000 in the quantity place in your cart. When they have less than what you want, the number of in stock shows up.

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    seacaptain, put 1000 in the quantity place in your cart. When they have less than what you want, the number of in stock shows up.

    Just tried that and accidentally spent $17,000. Anyone want to jump in on a group buy?

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    @ben88, damn, you outed my honey hole! Been buying McClelland tins from them in quantity over the last year whenever they had a sale or a coupon code I could hijack (in 2017, you could easily find a 15% off coupon, one was good for several months). Filled in a few holes in the last two weeks. Oh well, all good things must end.

    For those who feel left out, don't worry. Put a few Benjamins in your sock drawer. The next recession, flippers will be unloading McClelland at a loss. You don't have to be so morbid as to hope I catch up with the actuarial tables (or vice versa?).

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    @seacaptain, you didn't look at the right place. Only 358 on hand at 3:53 pm 2/24

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    JR has some Navy Cavendish and Virginia Woods in stock. Just grabbed 5 each. Decent price too.

    Enabler! Haha.

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    Everything seems fine. (Quietly rearranging deck chairs...)

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    BUY BUY BUY

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    A guy on facebook group is saying that some machinery, oriental leaf has been sold off to other entities! He also mentioned that there might be another shipment of 40th, frog and stove 35 but that is all. Not sure true or fiction. Just passing on what I read.

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    296 40th left. Should be gone by Monday.

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    You spelled Sunday wrong.

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    Now all the Butera blends are selling out on SP. Not many people were buying Royal Vintage Matured Ribbon before all this. I love that blend and have been buying it for ever, now its sold out. I really hope people are buying what they enjoy to smoke, not buy this stuff out to put in a draw for a few decades.

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    Reminds me of the Def Leppard album 'Hysteria"

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    I think people are really over reacting and hording tobacco for no reason.
    A fellow that hangs out at my local tobacconist asked me if I had any red cake.
    I replied, No I don't like it that much, He said Oh I just bought eight cans!
    I replied wow you must really like it. He said that he has never tried it yet!?

    I am not going to believe the rumors people are saying about the future of the McClelland company.

    I am waiting for Brian to interview one or both of the McClellands on his podcast about the true nature of thier troubles.
    If any any all!? And what the future holds for their tobacco company.

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    What I am not understanding is, if people are hoarding these blends for decades to be worth money, they might very be out of luck. If these major Domestic and Foreign companies are shutting shop, its most likely pipe smoking will decrease not increase. Whom will you end up selling your blends too? I cant see a new generation of pipe smokers, if there is even going to be one, paying premium prices for an ancient hobby. If these rumors are true, we just lost 2 MAJOR companies going forward in 1 year. Nighcap and Frog Cellar are the two top selling non drugstore blends in the USA.

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    IDK. I think considering that pipe smoking already has a hard emphasis on cellaring, aka hoarding (lol), you can't exactly expect that behavior to not become panic induced when it is already a norm. Speaking for myself, there are McClelland tins gone from the shelf now that I won't ever even get a chance to try, so its more about get it while you can than an attempt to profit.

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    Not to get off topic, but if these rumors are true, C&D is going to end up having a record breaking year in sales going forward, especially if they keep producing these new top tier blends like Dreams of Kadath. Redburn and John Marr just got released today on SP, they look extremely interesting as well.

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    I'm not a fan of McClelland blends. Got 15 tins for possible trades in the future. Positive I won't be disappointed.

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    On another forum there was some vague comment about a possible McClellan ingredient in Shortcut to Mushrooms... anyone have any insight?

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    40th Anniversary 100g
    Item#: 003-041-0164
    ( 6% off 20+ Tins)
    We only have 244 on hand*

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    If Jack Daniels went out of business, people would continue to drink whiskey. If Fuente got out of the cigar business, people would continue to smoke cigars. The members here are a microscopic representation of the pipe smoking population making up way, way less than 1% of the total. I’d guess McClelland and Dunhillll together comprise well less than 5% of the pipe tobacco market. Others blenders will pick up their market share. The overall impact on the pipe smoking population will be negligible.

    I believed the rumors 2 months ago when 5100 started to become scarce and have stocked up accordingly since. I’ve bought and will continue to buy the 2 Dunhill blends I most enjoy. However, there are many other blends I enjoy a lot. In fact, due to the looming extinction of these two blends, I’ve tried many other blends and found many I enjoy.

    Life will go on.

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    The members here are a microscopic representation of the pipe smoking population making up way, way less than 1% of the total. I’d guess McClelland and Dunhillll together comprise well less than 5% of the pipe tobacco market.

    That's probably pretty accurate. 90% of pipes tobaccos sold are aromatics.

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    You spelled Sunday wrong.

    You mean Saturday! Sold Out!

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