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Frog Morton: nunc comprehendo

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  • Started 4 months ago by Olkofri
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  1. olkofri

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    Well, I never got to try the Frogs before MC went belly up, but I did manage to get ahold of a single tin of Frog Morton. I duly jarred it and had a bowl of that in a cob months ago, but didn't get much out of it.

    To-day, I was finally able to have a smoke and give my recently acquired Curvy its initiation. I was thinking of Vintage Syrian or even HGL, since it's not broken in, but for some reason I grabbed the Frog. Well... all I can say is that I finally now understand the lamentations over this blend's demise. From the charring light I got an amazing flavour—creamy is how I'd describe it. This stuff is good.

    It wasn't very dry, nor superbly packed, so I required many relights, and was pleased that my reverse calabash does smoke cooler indeed. Yay!

    I have to ask, what's the ingredient that gives Frog Morton such smooth and creamy taste (and aftertaste). Is it present in other blends that are still extant?

    Not the sweet, new grass with flowers is this harvesting of mine;
    Not the upland clover bloom...
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    This is the tobacco that started it all for me. Went from a cherry aro to this and that was all she wrote!

    I’ve searched for copies myself and have found nothing yet that duplicates that “creaminess” you mentioned above. Not sure what it is but there’s definitely something there in Frog Morton original that I have yet to find in anything else.

    Country Squire has a claimed copy called Shepards Pie. While it is very good and I smoke it often, it just doesn’t have that “feel” that Frog Morton does. Very much missed and I would buy 10 pounds tomorrow if I could.

    "May my last breath be drawn through a pipe, and exhaled in a jest." Charles Lamb
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    Give this a try...Very Good...King Smoke

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    Country Squire has a claimed copy called Shepards Pie

    Boswell Northwoods would be closer then Shepards Pie...I did get King Frog Morton (link above)...This would be more in-line to FM.

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    I need to try the King Blend. I agree that Northwoods is a closer match to the original Frog Morton than Shepherd's Pie, certainly in aroma. Frog Morton had some sort of fermented tin note (fermented might not be quite right, but something intriguing and satisfying, like an aromatic umami) that I haven't found in Shepherd's Pie or Northwoods. It was also a bit "creamier" than either of the others. I've always wondered how they got that tin note and how it translated so nicely to the smoking experience....

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    Did Frog Morton original use Syrian latakia? Maybe that’s what gives it that unique creaminess?

    And I keep seeing comparisons to Northwoods and FM but I don’t get that. My only experience with Northwoods had that unique Boswell’s topping on it. A sweet, almost sugary sweetness to it that definitely wasn’t present in FM. Don’t get me wrong, NW is one of my absolute favorites. In fact, I really need order a pound or two...

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    I believe it was Cyprian. My suspicion is that the creaminess arises from the stoving/cavendishing process somehow, but that's just a guess....

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    +1 to pipe hunter. I just smoked a 20 year old tin that definitely used a Cyprian Latakia. The Virginia leaf is also very sweet and creamy.

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    Definitely Cyprian in the original. Frog Morton Across the Pond had Syrian in it. I'm glad to have some of both tucked away.

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    @dfo how does it age? 20 years is pretty damn old, so curious how it compares to more recent.

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    It is more mellow. I actually would rather smoke it young.

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    Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, is going to be able to copy any McClelland blend for 2 reasons.

    1. Nobody else has the McClelland leaf, and especially nobody has McClelland's Virginias.

    2. Nobody has Mike McNiel doing the processing, watching those gauges, timing everything, etc.

    You may find other blends that satisfy your palate and some that you like better. But they will not be the same.

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    sable' has it. It's like expecting someone else to carve a pipe the same as one of the masters. The McNeils were their own thing. People can imitate, or learn from them, but they aren't going to duplicate the product. They were accomplished in the details of their artistry well beyond duplication. In their own spheres of blending, Russ. O., Jeremy at C&D, and others, has some of the same attainment, but in their own ways and with their own blends. GL Pease, and a roster of other from the present and past.

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    It may not be a perfect copy, but more importantly it could be better than the original.

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