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  1. pipesmoker30

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    Hello, I have tried a few different pipe tobaccos, all of which have been loose/ready rubbed. Just had a look at my favourite tobacco (st Bruno) it's the same price for ready rubbed as it is for flake. Which one lasts longer? What's better value? Which do you prefer?

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  2. ashdigger

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    Flake, all day long. It's better in every metric.

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    Do you rub or fold, fold and pack?

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    Fold and pack.

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    Flake, all day long. It's better in every metric.

    How so? I hadn't given this much thought until now, so I'd like to hear more about this.

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    To me, I get more flavor, a longer smoke, easier to handle and fool proof packing.

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    I'm with Ash, in that I prefer the flake St Bruno to the pouch, but I rub my flakes out or cube cut and sprinkle some bits of "tinder" on top. I've also encountered many twigs in the St Bruno pouches, so I just get the flakes and enjoy preparing them to my liking.

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  8. recluse

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    To me, I get more flavor, a longer smoke, easier to handle and fool proof packing.

    I've always had bad luck with that approach. I have more experience these days, so maybe I'll give that method another shot.

    I rub my flakes out or cube cut and sprinkle some bits of "tinder" on top.

    I do the same, but with all my flakes currently.

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    Personal preference. Every cut has its plusses and minuses. One day its shag, another, flake; another, plug. Rinse and repeat.

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    Some say folded flake tastes better because it burns more slowly, others claim rubbed tastes better because more oxygen is incorporated into the smoke. To me it seems that folded flake is preferred by those who have mastered the art of the pipe. I'm a rubber, myself.

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    those who have mastered the art of the pipe.

    Well, I also worked in a bait and tackle shop.......

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    There are several cuts of tobacco. Try them all. They're great!

    Smoking is one of the leading causes of all statistics.
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    I used to cube cut most of the time except when I was smoking outside where I would fold and stuff. Now I fold and stuff everything. I even began folding and stuffing my Samuel Gawith flakes after figuring out how much moisture is needed for it to burn like I want it to. The SG flakes were the last of my cube cut hold outs.

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    With St. Bruno, I prefer the RR, it has more flavor from the sauce in my opinion and it’s a lot cheaper than the Flake. Usually I prefer my cuts in this order, Plug, Flake, RR, Ribbon. If anything is available in a Plug I’ll get the plug first and so on.

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    IV never heard of plug just flake and ready rubbed. I'm guessing plug is another way of using flake? No idea. Thanks for your comments

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    I smoke a lot of flakes. I usually rub out but will fold and stuff on occasion. Some flakes smoke better folded and some smoke better rubbed.

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    Plugs are blocks of whole leaf tobacco layered and then pressed, not to be confused with crumble cake, crumble cakes are made from ribbon cut that is pressed, I much prefer plugs. Plugs give you a deep, rich and complex smoke that only that cut can offer. Flakes are simply cut from the plug tobacco. RR is simply just flake tobacco rubbed out, ribbon cut is actually put in a tobacco shreader of sorts, same thing with shag, just a finer cut. Rope is another fine cut that I put up there with plugs. You also have coin and spun cut. Getting to know all of the different cuts and how they smoke and finding out what you prefer is a lot of fun.

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    Slices of plug tobacco are flakes. Slices of rope tobacco are coins.

    Whoops, beat me to it.

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    I prefer the flakes. It seems that they have better flavor to me.

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    Well, I also worked in a bait and tackle shop.......

    So you're a master baiter?


    So you say you can drink? Well, I'm from Wisconsin. Try to keep up.
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    Wow this interesting, I'm a complete virgin with pipe tobaccos, seems I need to do alot of research. I enjoy st Bruno, I don't mind clan, I enjoy captain black original (currently smoking) and captain black royal. Wasn't keen on the dark, I don't like gold block. I have tried a few flavoured ones like cherry but not overly impressed. My go to ones are captain black and st Bruno. I am yet to try seven seas. Another one was recommended to me and that's Erinmore which im still yet to try.

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    Flake/coin/plug/rope keep better longer, and perhaps the constituent ingredients meld a little better. They require more effort and time to prep, but for some, the ritual increases the anticipatiion and enjoyment. However, loose tobacco of all and various cuts is easier to use, and easy is often a very good thing. I have enjoyed all of the above. I don't feel it is a big step down to pack loose tobacco.

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    I agree, I believe it all boils down to personal preference and what you enjoy.

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    Flake and you could always fully rub the tobacco so...

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    Flake and you could always fully rub the tobacco so...
    you have the option to cube cut/stuff/ or rub out...(Also plug same way)...

    "the weez"...
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    I was answering to the query " Flake Vs ready rubbed. "

    I find the plug better than the flake as the flavors meld even more.

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    Smokingpipes "Know Your Cuts"

    Sometimes a picture is what's needed. This blog post from smokingpipes.com shows what each cut looks like.

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    I fold and stuff and occasionally cube cut it, but never rub out a flake anymore. The tobacco tends to smoke longer in flake or coin. Also I get more flavor whole than when I rub it out, which to me is counter-intuitive, seeing as how you have more surface area going, but the tobacco always seems watered down if rubbed.

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    I prefer flake overall. However, there are other cuts that are regulars in my rotation.

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    Has anyone tried Erinmore? I may give it ago use that as my first flake if it's any good

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    Think it would be a good starter pipesmoker30, nothing not to like about it and the flakes are uniform and easy to use either broken down or left whole.

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    Erinmore is one of my favorites, especially in the summer. It will have an off-putting tin aroma, but that does not translate into the taste of the smoke. It has a very fruity-like flavor. I compare it to Juicy Fruit Chewing gum. But, it is a very balanced flavor with the tobacco, IMO.

    But, I hate the ready rubbed version of Erinmore . It has a different flavor profile, for some strange reason.

    I generally prefer the flake versions, even if I rub them out myself. They seem to age better, and have better flavor. The ready rubbed versions of the ones that I have tried just seem to lack complexity... or, the topping/casing just doesn't shine through as well. The Vanilla Flake verses the ready rubbed Vanilla Flake are like two totally different blends, IMO.

    Whether I cube cut, rub it out, wad it, or fold and stuff, the flake versions just give you more options, along with better aging characteristics, and overall flavor. YMMV But, some really like the ready rubbed versions, so it's all a matter of opinion.

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    Just took the plunge and got st Bruno flake, fold, fold and stuff method, so far I prefer it to the ready rubbed. Easier to pack, cooler smoke, stronger taste and aroma. I have also got coming in the post Erinmore mixture, is there much difference to the 2? I got that one because they offer it in a 25g pouch so wanted to try it before forking out for 50g tin, I also got seven seas original coming with the Erinmore aswell. I have tried the captain black original and liked that so hopefully I will like the sevenseas version aswell

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    Erinmore Flake is great stuff. While it’s not a powerhouse, it doesn’t pack a decent nicotine hit.

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    I don't think it's necessarly a nicotine hit I'm after, I just enjoy the taste and aroma of a pipe.

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    Erinmore Flake is a great one, whereas in all probability them RR version must be whole different tobacco under the same brand- as for the flake tobacco goes,I prefer fold&stuff especially with my pipes with narrow chambers nonetheless must admit,I have often a hard time to keep them lit when folded, Personally, I prefer St Bruno RR over the flake since I find taste being more intense,

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    I'll gladly pay $5 more to get the flake version of something and then when I smoke it, 9 times out of 10 I'll rub it out because I guess I'm an insane person.

    Even as a rub it out guy I know you ready rubbed people are heathens.

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    Ah now having tried both st Bruno's I prefer the flake, I will buy the flake again, probably won't buy the RR again. Is there much/any difference between Erinmore and Erinmore mixture? IV got the mixture one to try and if I like it go for the flake Erinmore. The Erinmore mixture and seven seas arrived today so gonna be trying the Erinmore mixture tonight. Once IV used either the Erinmore or the st Bruno I will try the seven seas.

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    Erinmore Flake is one of my top dogs as well but it is different than Erinmore Mixture. Whereas St. Bruno RR is just the Flake slightly rubbed out (for $4 cheaper a pouch), Erinmore Mixture is an entirely different blend than Erinmore Flake, confusing I know. I’m pretty sure it also contains black Cavendish where Erinmore Flake is just Burley and VA. See Cosmics post above.

    Personally, I prefer St Bruno RR over the flake since I find taste being more intense,

    paul, I totally agree with you on this.

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    Ok that's interesting to know, you have both said they taste different ie nothing alike lol. I will say the only one I have really hated to the point where I've thrown it away is gold block that's so far.

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    I usually smoke plug or twist but recently I been smoking the odd flake tobacco and if I had to choose I would certainly go with St Bruno flake.

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    Condor is on my list to try

    Just tried the Erinmore mixture, not a bad smoke, I enjoy it, abit different to my usual but in a good way.

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    It is completely,100%, a matter of personal preference. Explore, sample, decide what you like best.

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    That's true, if we was all the same there wouldn't be so many choices out there.

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    Condor is on my list to try

    Fact: Condor is the best tobacco ever made.

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    I like St Bruno in both the Flake and the RR. The RR seems to have a bit more topping, and for me, both benefit from some drying time, which I find intensifies the flavors. Fold and stuff doesn't work for me because of the lack of drying time and the subsequent the loss of flavor.

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    Flakes are interesting. I am still learning to smoke them. Haven’t had too much luck with fold and stuff, preferring to rub them out most of the time. The best smokes I have had is after plenty of drying time first. So if travelling I usually take a ribbon or ready rubbed blend with me.

    Erinmore Flake has a nice flavour. I see it as more of an aromatic.

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    I find that the flake is better, the tobacco has longer to marry and the top dressing sets in better, in my opinion. I also prefer a plug when there is an option. I guess the longer everything is pressed together the better for me.

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    I'm still yet to try plug, I prefer flake, fold and stuff. I like to try RR for a new tobacco I'm trying as RR is usually cheaper and if I like it then next time I get the flake version.

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    I really enjoy St. Bruno Flake, Erinmore Flake, Bothy Flake and Bob's Chocolate Flake. I rub them all out. I just can't get a handle on the fold and stuff.

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