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Esoterica, what's the story?

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  • Started 3 years ago by thomasmartin
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  1. thomasmartin

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    Penzance was one of my favorites back then. Naturally I attempted to purchase some after my comeback only to realize that this stuff is impossible to find. What is the problem? Is Esoterica out of business? Can't they produce more or don't they want to to keep demand an prizes high? I understand that it's a small company. Not producing more may be a sound business policy (marginal costs, quality assurance etc.) but it's just frustrating.

    Thomas
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  2. misterlowercase

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    I only started with pipe several years ago,
    when I first started, Esoterica was fairly available,
    I remember Tilbury and Dorchester being 2 of my early faves...

    ...but, I think at some point, due to the pipe boom I guess, demand outstripped supply and they've been playing catch-up ever since, the situation may have also been aggravated by the high dollar aftermarket - many people would buy the stuff because they knew they could flip it for a profit, and the big 2 always sell out in a manner of literal minutes - there may even be a few bad apples in the distro network who keep it to sell only on the aftermarket, who knows? But as of late, ebay has seemed to crack down on all that and Esoterica listings are only a fraction of what they were, maybe it'll help?

    See also:
    http://pipesmagazine.com/forums/topic/looking-for-krumble-kake

    &

    http://pipesmagazine.com/forums/topic/esoterica-tobacciana-a-history

    Posted 3 years ago #
  3. judcole

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    The link provided by misterlowercase really sums it up. It's a small, privately held firm that does things the old way, and doesn't intend to change. Rather refreshing, in this day and age. (I miss Penzance,too - I still have a couple of tins stashed away.)

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  4. sablebrush52

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    Years ago you could buy Penznace, Stonehaven, and pretty much anything else without any difficulty. Then, about 6-7 years ago, there was a shortfall in the amount shipped which resulted in a full blown panic that has not subsided. When production resumed, hoarding became common. eBay scalping hasn't helped, and demand has increased.

    All of this interferes with the staff's ability to spend time fishing and sleeping in the afternoon, which in turn makes them feel cross. The only solution for this is for the workers to take long walks along the beach. Every now and then they pop in to see if the doors are still open and if their paycheck is ready.

    One of my friends in the UK put it this way, Germains is considered "unreliable". Lovely understatement.

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  5. drennan

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    According to tobacco cellar the 3rd and 4th most cellared blends are Penzance and Stonehaven.

    If people didn't panic buy perhaps there would be enough to round?

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    Hmm, I should check how that data matches up in thepipetool.com

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    That would be curious, Pylorns. I would more easily concede that they are the 3rd and 4th most SOUGHT after tobaccos.

    Eventually, the ready supply of other tobaccos will naturally push them out of the top cellared positions.

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  8. lucky695

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    So what is the NEXT Esoterica? What should we stock up on now to have for tomorrow. I know what I am stocking up on what about you guys? (Guys is a blanket statement not meant to rule out anyone of the female persuasion)

    "A pipe gives a wise man time to think and a fool something to stick in his mouth." - C.S. Lewis
    Posted 3 years ago #
  9. dulgunz

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    I think everyone should stock up on Mixture 79!

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    Esoterica products are indeed very elusive. I was fortunate to acquire a small amount from a good fellow when the last batch was released. Hopefully you will be able to secure some on the next go round.

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    If people didn't panic buy perhaps there would be enough to round?

    It's a tad too late for that now as the ball is rolling and it's only going to snowball further. Both Penzance and Stonehaven are good tobaccos, but certainly nothing to get an erection over in my opinion. If by chance I happen to run across either of them at a fair price ($38.00+-) I'll most certainly grab a bag (which I've done in the past), but other than that it's nothing that I obsess about in the least. There are way too many other easily obtainable good tobaccos out there that are just as good, if not better, to satisfy my palate. Kinda makes life easier...

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    ^^^^ yes...

    "the weez"...
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    I'm guilty of this. If I see any for sale online or B&M I buy all of it they'll let me. I LOVE the stuff. If it helps, after cleaning out a store, I do feel kinda bad about it for a lil bit.

    Nate @ Moody AL
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    Occasionally, a member will give us a heads up when a B&M has it in stock. Of course, that B&M then sells out in the next few minutes to the next few hours. I was able to get a bag of Stonehaven after reading a member's tip.

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    The problem is that there are only 6 people who work at the factory.

    Harris
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    The problem is that there are only 6 people who work at the factory.

    ... and four of them are part time workers while one has been on family leave for the past eight years.

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    Aha! We have met the enemy and it is us. Or, at least iamn8! I'm sure there are others who do the same and then laugh up their sleeves at those of you who bemoan the lack of product. Either that or they sit giggling in their massive, well stocked cellars. Cellars which contain more than one person could possibly smoke in a lifetime and nary a thought of sharing with those who have tighter limits on the old credit card. And, if they do share, it is with an air of condescension.

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    Warren, you've been a loyal and faithful subject for quite some time. This 24th Day of 2015, I shall bequeath to thee a small pittance of Penzance. Now, please kiss my ring and be off.

    Please know I'm kidding. I was gifted a bag when I'd never tried it previously and now I'm a junkie

    Posted 3 years ago #
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    Seems like Mac Baren is doing a good job of filling the niche -- at least with their hot pressed blends.

    I find myself sitting idly on the line dividing past and future,
    as if I could kill time without injuring eternity. -- Thoreau
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    I'm not a huge fan of hoarding, I say buy your bag, or two at the most, then leave some for the rest of those that would like some too. The people that hoard it the most are the same ones that complain about it's lack of availability. You're a victim of your own doing.

    I find very little value in both Penzance and Stonehaven. I've tried both of them and don't need to smoke anymore to know that I don't need to chase that unicorn.

    There are 10 types of people in this world, those who understand binary, and those who don't.
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    Cortez has it right on the MacBaren.

    Plugugly

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    I've got some of both. I enjoy Penzance. I absolutely LOVE Stonehaven.

    If anyone wants some Penzance and can trade me some Stonehaven.....

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    iamn8: Your pusher probably has stock in the company. That's how it starts you know. That ring better be on your finger.

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    Warren, I had that same thought. I was reminded of a dealer handing out "good coke" to school kids. To make it even worse, it was an 8oz bag from like 2001 I think. Now if I'm lucky enough to find any, I have to wait well over a decade to get a similar taste. Upon tasting the first smoke I thought damn this is sooooo good. Followed by, oh damn...
    Today, for the first time, I'll smoke some unaged Penzance. I'm actually hoping that the aging was mostly responsible for that taste because then I can just put what I have away and try to forget about it. I needn't buy anymore ever again.

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    What would be the Mc Baren that's like Penzance. Pray tell me more. That Balkan flake?

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    I'm not sure how to feel about Esoterica tobacco. Half of me wants to try it to see what all the fuss is about. The other half doesn't want too just because of the hoarding mentality that seems to follow it. I guess it's a moot point because it's never available, anyway...

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    I agree that the Esoterica blends are vastly overrated. Move along. Nothing to see here.

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    I agree that the Esoterica blends are vastly overrated. Move along. Nothing to see here.

    Yep, listen to peck as he now only has 22 lbs. of Stonehaven and 9+ lbs. of Penzance left in his cellar. As he said, move along now less he finds it difficult to obtain any more with the likes of you meager interlopers.

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    Yep, listen to peck as he now only has 22 lbs. of Stonehaven and 9+ lbs. of Penzance left in his cellar.

    Jumping catfish!! That's Germains' total output for the past decade! No wonder this stuff is so hard to find!

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    1-Q is the next Penzance, better hurry folks, supplies are limited!!

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    'There is no arguing about tastes and colours.'
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    1-Q? i have pounds of that... no seriously? I'll start another thread.

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    I've said before and I'll say it again, as a community we must unite and raid Pecks castle!! To the victors go the spoils!!!!

    ps. Penzance aged almost 15yrs, it turns out, is quite different from unaged Penzance.

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    limits on the old credit card.

    You have a credit card? Nice. Some of us can only hope the stuff comes in stock on the day the once a month deposit hits the bank. That's actually a good thing. I'd hate to get hit with the bill later after I've found out it really wasn't worth it.

    But seriously, I understand the desire to try something that is so coveted. I was lucky. Penzance and Stonehaven were not quite so hard to find at one time and I got both. I was also still working and money was not such an issue so double the luck. I like Stonehaven OK, but it's not the end all of other VA/BURS. Penzance, pfft, it's not the holy grail either. I have given or traded away all but one bag of that vile weed. The best I ever got from Penzance was the satisfaction of helping others less fortunate.

    Now before anybody PM's me for that last bag save your fingers. You never know, my tastes could change and I'll have a bit left for me.

    What's really interesting to me. There's another E blend that nobody hardly ever mentions. I'ma shut up now

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    If you just wait for one of the big 3 or 4 on line retailers to contact you when it is in stock, it will be a bitch to get a decent quantitiy of both Penzance and Stonehaven. I once had a small mom and pop offer me 15 bags of Penzance but since I don't smoke it, I told a friend to call them and he got it. It is out there if you are willing to do the leg work, small mom and pops sit on this stuff and watch it age because they don't have the customers to sell to. There are so many places that have no internet presence and only rely on walk in traffic. Tons of people don't even know what Stonehaven and Penzance are. I always started calling the mom and pops in the low tax states when I wanted Stonehaven.

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    Booker, quiet my good man.

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