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  1. scrumpyjack

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    http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-UNSMOKED-KEVIN-ARTHUR-LARGE-CALABASH-FREEHAND-AMERICAN-Estate-Pipe-MINT-/201889660291?hash=item2f018fbd83:g:dkQAAOSwpkFY7uIb

    Great for the seller, but as much as I like his work, me thinks this is a bit off on the sale price.

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    Sold! Seems one buyer is now a happy camper. Looks like a win-win to me.

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    Oh to be sure. The price is what someone will buy it for. Great for all involved. I am just thinking I may need to sale a pipe if this is the going rate right now.

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    This eBay virgin sure got screwed. But the virgin asked for it. Why not post a maximum bid that's 3 times the market rate for this carver's work. What could be more intelligent? How could you lose? Nobody else would be stupid enough to bid even close.

    Oops!

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    Not sure I get what happened there. What's with the guy that bid it up to $888?

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    Fake bids? Something not right there.

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    I agree with Sable. I think the bidder just put in a crazy high bid to win the pipe and got caught by the previous bidder who did the same? That is the only thing I can think of. Hard lesson to learn. I think I might have vomited if I got the notification that I bid the pipe up that high and was now on the hook for that price, but that's just me. Yowzza!

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    Money laundering.

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    Woods, I think you meant brain laundering.

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    Worth every penny!

    Just look at the rim.... Is that artistic, or what!?!?

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    Fake bids? Something not right there.

    Money laundering.

    No, I think this is just a case of stupid times stupid.

    On line, Kevin Arthur pipes retail for between $150 and $350, new.

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    888 sounds like it was a Chinese bidder. The number 8 in China is a good number. It is possible they didn't know they were playing with U.S. dollars

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    Sure seems very odd that a bidder came in out of nowhere to bid it up fantastically high above all of the (much more experienced) bidders, only to be beat out by a single bid by a guy who has never even bid before.

    Can't say I've ever seen anything quite like that before. Something feels very odd here.

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    The last bid is a shill. He will magically fail to pay and the seller will offer it to the next highest bidder. And if thatt bidder is smart, they'll run away fast.

    (at least that's my theory - that does happen)

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    Sure seems very odd that a bidder came in out of nowhere to bid it up fantastically high above all of the (much more experienced) bidders, only to be beat out by a single bid by a guy who has never even bid before.

    I've followed tens of thousands of auctions over the years, noting the strange ritual behaviors of the denizens of eBay, and I've seen this kind of behavior quite often. A lot of people get this bright idea that they will snipe at the very end and will put in a high price to ensure a "win". It's a hilariously bad strategy. The eBay virgin clearly had no idea regarding what he was doing. Maybe he was fed up with being outbid. So he puts this ridiculous maximum bid which looms like a mountainside hidden in the clouds until the stratospheric bomber smashes into it.

    None of this can happen if one doesn't bid more than an item is worth. Some bidders seem to be driven by emotion, vanity, or ego, more than sense.

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    Oh come on now Sable! Who wouldn't shell out 400+ dollars for that beauty!?

    I snipe, but it is for the price I want to pay in order to NOT get caught up in a bidding frenzy. If my bid isn't the winning one, i have no time left to re-bid. lol

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    I have seen this a lot where the winner has zero feedback and next thing you know it is re-listed since they don't pay.

    I think sellers should exclude bidders with less than 5 feedbacks to stop wasting peoples time with an ending like this (usually after a week of waiting).

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    I snipe, but it is for the price I want to pay in order to NOT get caught up in a bidding frenzy. If my bid isn't the winning one, i have no time left to re-bid.

    Exactly how I roll

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    The last bid is a shill. He will magically fail to pay and the seller will offer it to the next highest bidder. And if thatt bidder is smart, they'll run away fast.

    This.

    This is a common scam on eBay. So common and widespread, in fact, that I can not believe eBay doesn't have a mechanism to prevent it. Typically this is seen with electronics though and this is the first time I've seen it with something as obscure as pipes.

    The seller should have the option to offer the pipe for sale to the next two highest bidders immediately after the auction. It's been a while since I've done anything with eBay and this is the reason why.

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    I wouldn't give him £8 for that pipe let alone $800+. Pretty hideous to my eyes

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    I think sellers should exclude bidders with less than 5 feedbacks to stop wasting peoples time with an ending like this (usually after a week of waiting).

    But how then would new bidders get feedback if they can't buy? It'd also be easy to skirt but just buying some one dollar rubbish.

    Now, I've noticed a tendency for this forum to get rather silly.
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    I've seen some auctions where the seller requires bidders to have a minimum number of FB's.

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    I sell all of my retired photo gear on eBay, so I've sold some fairly expensive items to bidders with low or no bid history, without incident. I'm always wary, but to date, no problems. I will no longer sell to Russia or the former Soviet bloc nations, though. Too many attempted returns for non-existent problems (all of which I've managed to deny).

    eBay does provide sellers with a "second chance" option of offering the item to the next highest bidder. I've never had to use it, but I have had second chance offers made to me, where the item went for some stupid high price and the high bidder didn't pay.

    I still suspect money laundering on some of these auctions. I've seen mundane items sell for idiotic prices to/from people with no bid/sell experience.

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    My Dr. Grabow Royaltons look better and better. What design, what balance, what finish. Comparatively, the Royaltons are free for the asking. Oooh-la-la. Those folks in Sparta N.C. can flat make a pipe.

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    I can understand why some noob would bid a ridiculous amount just to win the pipe, not thinking that the final price would get anywhere near his insanely high max bid. But what inspired the guy with 149 feedback to keep bidding? I wonder if the seller will get paid by either of them.

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    Not everyone is as blessed with pipe knowledge as we all are. Or, perhaps it's the pipe he needed to complete a collection of some sort. Who knows what goes through the mind of a bidder.

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    I can understand why some noob would bid a ridiculous amount just to win the pipe, not thinking that the final price would get anywhere near his insanely high max bid. But what inspired the guy with 149 feedback to keep bidding? I wonder if the seller will get paid by either of them.

    Over the years I've found the behaviors of eBay bidders to be very interesting and sometimes entertaining. The noob placing an irrationally high maximum bid suggests to me that he either wanted that pipe at any cost, even 3-4 times market, or that he wanted an eBay win at any cost. He could have commissioned a pipe for less. So there's a clearly irrational element to the Noob's behavior.

    The other bidder is of a type that I've observed on eBay, in near the end, firing shots with a desperate shot at the end that he figured would win him the pipe.

    Look at the timing. The auction ends at 19:27:37. The Noob erects his lofty mountain roughly 2 1/2 hours before the end of the auction.

    The shooter appears about 5 1/2 minutes before the end at which point the bidding has reached $95. The Shooter bids $1 more and gets outbid. The pipe is now at $97.

    The shooter now waits, finger poised on the button, until 45 seconds remain in the auction before he bids again and gets outbid again.

    He then increases his bid by around $20 and gets outbid yet again.

    He bids yet again with 20 seconds remaining, gets shot down again, and he loses it, fuming for 15 seconds and increasing his bid by $300 with five seconds to go, gets outbid again and really goes ballistic and goes all mystical with $888 in the final second. And, gets outbid again by the Noob, who is probably wetting his diapers.

    In fact, the 888 was lucky for the shooter and maybe the seller. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the Noob takes a runner. He can always create a new account if he gets his existing one pulled by eBay.

    We'll know if the pipe comes back up for auction in the next few days.

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    Have you a lead in mind for the movie version, Jess?

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    Who knows what goes through the minds of eBay bidders, the sniper knows.

    There is your free movie poster line.

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    This is one reason why I look at the bidding history on some of these auctions. More entertaining than a lot of what's on TV or in the theater. Oh, the humanity!

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    "This is one reason why I look at the bidding history on some of these auctions. More entertaining than a lot of what's on TV or in the theater."

    Well... your play-by-play is, anyway.

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    Gentlemen, thank you for the kudos. I hope that you enjoyed the show. I know I did.

    Bad behavior is why I don't accept a bid from anyone with less than 10 completed sales. Too many bad experiences. I don't think that eBay bidders are even remotely house trained before completing 10 transactions at the minimum.

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    The pipe is back up for sale . I see that a lot , buyers not paying , then a relist 1-2 weeks later

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    The pipe is back up for sale . I see that a lot , buyers not paying , then a relist 1-2 weeks later

    Quel surprise. It will be interesting to see if it reaches $200. Relisting an item within a couple of weeks is usually the kiss of death.

    EDIT: Subsequently this pipe went for about 50% higher than I've ever seen this model reach. I own two of them and I spent $275 on one and $220 on the other.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/BARLING-039-S-MAKE-YE-OLDE-WOOD-T-V-F-FOSSIL-EXEXEL-PIPE-HALLMARKS-E-W-B-W-RARE-/122447727579?hash=item1c82740bdb%3Ag%3AFU4AAOSwCWFY8atb&nma=true&si=T78%252B9KpJudwrY%252BG3OygVilRgrvw%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

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    Very interesting and entertaining! Thank you, Jesse for the details!

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    The sale of that S-M Family Era Barling "set" in the third party case for $1200 BIN has apparently not gone through. Gee, can't imagine why.

    So you have another chance to be screwed. Here, let me help you:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/BARLING-COUPLE-PIPE-PIPA-PFEIFE-PRESENTATION-BOX-RARE-MADE-IN-ENGLAND-VINTAGE-/252900647000?

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    These are S-M (small to medium) Family Era pipes in an inexpensive case that is not original. One has a dinged up rim. Maybe $750-$800 for the pair.

    Jesse- That's a "presentation BOX"!! A box with a zipper, possibly Walmart, just a bit off base! (they, not you) :)..... So glad to know it's still available.....

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    Yep! Here it is again.

    Yes indeed! I'm following it to see what it goes for this time. I'm thinking something closer to $200 plus or minus.

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    You gotta shop if you care at all about price. And why shouldn't you, even if you're a .com millionaire, why throw it away? ebay bidders can so easily look at the other online retail sites for pipes and get a range. I think the game of bidding and "winning" completely eclipses the matter of buying a good pipe at an appropriate price. It's like a casino, the sport devalues the money completely. So you dropped a few thousand over the weekend? Ho-hum, such is life.

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    I think the game of bidding and "winning" completely eclipses the matter of buying a good pipe at an appropriate price. It's like a casino, the sport devalues the money completely. So you dropped a few thousand over the weekend? Ho-hum, such is life.

    That's a very accurate assessment. Typically auctions exist to obtain the highest possible price for items by pitting competing bidders against each other. People get caught up in bidding wars where their egos override their judgement. I've done that myself, once or twice, which is part of the learning process. An auction is a competition, a game. We all like to win at games. And sometimes "winning" becomes the only thing that matters, regardless of cost.

    For me, "winning" quickly became finding something I wanted for significantly less than others were paying for similar items. That took hours scouring the dark corners of the eBay marketplace, "reading" poor photographs for hidden gems, asking a lot of questions of the sellers, and occasional pure dumb luck. But I think that it's really difficult to do that now. Prices are still good for more common items, but rarities are really hard, though not impossible, to find at a good price.

    Unfortunately, the common practice of sniping is really pushing prices through the roof. People hold on to the myth that they're the only one smart enough to think of doing this and I see these "shoot outs" at the end wherein the price suddenly triples, or even goes up by a factor of ten because there's a mob of snipers. And because some snipers are now thinking that they will win by firing off a super high bid to outbid the other snipers I see many collisions in the monetary ionosphere. It's "winning" at any price.

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    Well Ebay certainly isn't the place to find that pipe you were looking for at a decent price it once was, but the entertainment is outstanding!!! I'm with you Jesse. There is no shortage of uneducated bidders and what they do is often the best show in town, but of course, that's not unique to the pipe world.

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    And we have a WINNER!!

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-UNSMOKED-KEVIN-ARTHUR-LARGE-CALABASH-FREEHAND-AMERICAN-Estate-Pipe-MINT-/201907103558?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=T78%252B9KpJudwrY%252BG3OygVilRgrvw%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

    Without the dumb bunnies bidding (one of whom spent a lot on the George Sidney pipes and got into a bidding war with the other trust fund baby on a Barling from another seller) the final result is a tad more realistic.

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