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Enough to Make a Grown Man Cry

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  1. georged

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    A genuinely pristine---meaning was never touched by a buffer or otherwise "restored" (cough)---example of a genuinely rare model pipe---a Dunhill patent ODA (the patent era ended shortly after the 800-series ODA line was introduced, meaning only a few were ever made).

    So... why do I feel like punching a wall?

    Or, more precisely, punching some idiot's face?

    Never mind... I'd better shut up. I'm too pissed to type, and pictures are worth a thousand words, anyway:

    Dogs live such short lives... and spend most it waiting for us to come home
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    Hey! That's the pipe I bought!

    "From tempers be it known that we are warm in the fields of battle and cool in the hours of debate"

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    Is that a charred burn through, George?

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    Is that a charred burn through, George?

    Yup. (Not quite through yet, but only a few smokes away from it. .18" inches, in fact, COUNTING the carbon layer. If scraped down to healthy wood, the bowl wall would measure about half that.)

    Unlikely it was a flaw in the wood, based on the pattern of damage and Dunhill's pickiness about sourcing good briar back in the day.

    Someone simply puffed long enough and hard enough that they were literally smoking a combination of briar and tobacco. All that's left is charcoal clinging to a thin briar shell.

    Incredible.

    Posted 3 years ago #
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    Meerschaum insert ?

    Make aromatics great again.
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    Hell that would be hot enough to barbeque your mouth on, plus taste horrible.

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    Meerschaum insert ?

    That's pretty much the only option at this stage.

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    WOW!! That's some seriously hard smoking there.

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    Torch lighter??...

    "the weez"...
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    Yes I was thinking torch too but repeatedly for a long time.

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    Ouch! There were similar burns on a couple of pipes two months ago in another thread.

    I'd guess that if there weren't so little left of the bowl in those spots, other repairs might be made besides a meer insert. Gosh, that's disheartening. Maybe they filled the bowl with magnesium shavings? Gross.

    I know that you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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    I can understand someone not taking care of a "drugstore" pipe. But when you see the more spendy pipes like this I always scratch my head wondering how someone can do that.

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    I can understand someone not taking care of a "drugstore" pipe. But when you see the more spendy pipes like this I always scratch my head wondering how someone can do that.

    Going by the external condition, it's likely the damage was done soon after the pipe was bought, and it was just put away. The guy obviously had no idea how to smoke and probably didn't even realize he was causing permanent damage. (Maybe it was a gift and his first-ever pipe?)

    While they've never been inexpensive, Dunhills didn't cost much more than other "name" brands of the time. The things that make that particular specimen expensive today are accidents of history that hadn't happened yet or were just in the process of happening, so didn't affect the value. I'm guessing it cost around $75 at the time.

    If the chamber was sound what would it be worth today? Probably around a grand. (Ouch, huh?)

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    I can understand someone not taking care of a "drugstore" pipe. But when you see the more spendy pipes like this I always scratch my head wondering how someone can do that.

    Depends how old it is, Kaywoodie's used to cost more than Dunhills, and I've seem plenty of Kaywoodie's in that shape or worse. I'm sure the guy/gal who owned it smoked it alot. No harm in that.

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    Wait... George... You actually cried?

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    I didn't even cry when I dropped my prized meershaum and it broke at the tenon. I just grabbed the superglue, glued it together and have been enjoying it just like I did before.

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    Wait... George... You actually cried?

    You are assuming I'm a grown man. Pipe repairmen are perpetual kids. (Hmmm... I wonder what's in THIS box?! Oh, goodie, goodie, goodie... Look at THAT!)

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    I just grabbed the superglue, glued it together and have been enjoying it just like I did before.

    Beware. Glued on tenons always let go eventually. Probably best to limit that pipe's use to hand holding while reading in an armchair.

    Posted 3 years ago #
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    What a beautiful pipe! What a waste of sweet wood.

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    I didn't know these existed:

    http://www.meerschaumstore.com/proddetail.asp?prod=CA0016

    While this is a miserable sight, we know nothing about the smoker. He may have simply worn the pipe ragged through years of vigorous use. Or he may have been one of those angry people who takes gleeful pride in misuse of elegant possessions as a means of asserting his control and self-informed status as wealthy.

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    "You are assuming I'm a grown man. Pipe repairmen are perpetual kids. (Hmmm... I wonder what's in THIS box?! Oh, goodie, goodie, goodie... Look at THAT!) "

    I think I have a place for you out in my shed

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    Ouch

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    "You are assuming I'm a grown man. Pipe repairmen are perpetual kids. (Hmmm... I wonder what's in THIS box?! Oh, goodie, goodie, goodie... Look at THAT!) "

    I think I have a place for you out in my shed

    Oh my... I think I just figured out where the "clickclick" handle comes from...

    The padlock.

    .

    Posted 3 years ago #
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    Dear George ... whine whine whine..... just ream the hell out of it .... create a nice water glass chamber coating and fix it. Good as new .. right. Don't you just sit in awe of what arrives at your door? Not a good awe either!

    What is scary is that you know we've both seen much worse!

    ww

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    What is scary is that you know we've both seen much worse!

    Indeed we have. I was sent a TWICE SMOKED $4000 Joura a few years ago that was as deeply burned as this thread's ODA. Why did the guy send it to me, knowing it wasn't fixable? He wanted me to back up his claim that the pipe was made of "inferior wood" and so ought to be replaced free of charge.

    I wish I was kidding.

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    What is "twice smoked"? Double cured meat ... sure..... I smoked my ribs two times ... that's twice smoked......

    Maybe for pipes "twice smoked" is how many hours the owner held the torch lighter to it?

    What gets me most is when you look in the chamber and it looks quite good. Then you ream it down a hair and find fissures in the wood that someone "covered up / hid" under a new chamber coating and then smoked the pipe to further hide the fissures.

    ww

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    What is "twice smoked"?

    Two bowls of tobacco.

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    Shouldn't that be smoked twice?

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    Shouldn't that be smoked twice?

    Well, even ONCE was too many in that Joura's case. That guy should have taken up rock collecting.

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    Lol the shed reference is to my workshop thread on pmf.

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    Lol the shed reference is to my workshop thread on pmf.

    Ah... of course. That's it. Your workshop shed. Of course that's what you meant. I believe you... We ALL believe you.

    (Except for the FBI's profilers, that is. Subconscious onomatopoeia is one of the things they look for. )

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    LOL, That is a horrible thought.

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    OUCH! That's about all I can think of to say. It's a shame, bordering on criminal, in my opinion. I don't know if it can be rendered smoke-able again, but even if it is possible, it will never be the same as it was. RIP to a good pipe.

    Posted 3 years ago #
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    Usually that type of internal abuse is accompanied by external signs of abuse as well, such as heavy teeth marks. Perplexing and sickening at the same time! It would be good to get Dave to chime in on this as he has done magic with many a ruined pipe.

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    Shame. Is this your pipe George, or a customers ?

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    I'd heard rumors that the government was doing secret nuclear testing in Dunhill pipes. Better check it for radioactivity.

    The pipe is an instrument of civilization.
    Posted 3 years ago #
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    That is sad. I've used "mortar repair" (sodium silicate based material, $7 for a tub at Lowes) for wall repairs for that type of issue. Cake builds pretty quickly over the repair material. It will never be perfect, but perhaps made smokeable.

    Al

    Posted 3 years ago #
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    Smoking outdoors comes to mind.

    I find myself sitting idly on the line dividing past and future,
    as if I could kill time without injuring eternity. -- Thoreau
    Posted 3 years ago #
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    Smoking outdoors comes to mind.

    Exactly. I bought an entire collection of really decent looking pipes once. They all had wind screens because the guy only smoked outdoors. Every single stinkin one of em had charred walls once you reamed back the cake.

    Posted 3 years ago #

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