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    They are really beating the war drums today.
    http://miami.cbslocal.com/2014/02/09/experts-increasingly-contemplate-end-of-smoking/

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    Yeah, read that one this morning. Not sure how much further the pendulum can swing before the serious pushback starts to happen. Outright prohibition simply doesn't work, and forcing smoking totally underground simply means that the already extant black market will just get bigger...



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    I've never seen a site that wasn't affiliated with adult entertainment riddled with so many fucking ads.

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    Interesting article. I don't see smoking being eliminated anytime during my lifetime. I feel the government is making far too much money off the taxes. Sure they preach that it is in the name of health and for the children, but are they just going to let the bill ions of dollars generated from tobacco disappear? I think not.

    I guess worse case scenario would be they do ban tobacco, and have to tax the next thing that is deemed "bad for you" to make up for the lost revenue.

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    —Polls show that cigarette smoking is no longer considered normal behavior, and is now less popular among teens than marijuana.

    This always makes me laugh. Now marijuana is ok....what a bassakwards society we live in.

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    @voorhees I agree with that. I don't understand it either. It makes you wonder what the next target of the do gooders is. Alcohol? Fast food?

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    "The power of tobacco companies..." Yeah, right, like tobacco companies have the power of taxation and legislation and enforcement from the muzzle of a gun. The only power tobacco companies have is derived from our desire to use it. It's government that stands in the way of that and government holds all the cards. It seems clear who and what we need to disempower! Collect THAT data, NSA!

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    Time to crack out all the scientific data that shows pipe smoking is less cancerous then cigarettes.

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    A quick look through the comments posted to that article shows there's no need to fear prohibition yet - even the non-smoking public sees this leads down a slippery slope.

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    Now marijuana is ok....what a bassakwards society we live in.

    Which is why I was a little startled to find out how much propaganda regarding smoking in general I'd absorbed without really thinking about it when I was researching pipe smoking a year ago... I'd long since realized that much of the hoopla surrounding marijuana was scaremongering (remember "Reefer Madness"?), and began to suspect that some of the same hyperbole surrounded the issue of secondhand smoke (among other things).

    But yeah - the fact that marijuana's now being legalized is one reason I say that the smoking/anti-smoking pendulum can only swing so far before people start to wonder what all the fuss is about and start thinking for themselves about what they choose to do on their own time...

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    Let them try alcohol again, the Five Families have been on the ropes for years, an alcohol and tobacco prohibition would give them another 100 years at least.

    I fail to see how these do gooders, most of whom are of the political ilk that support the legalization of pot, can be so opposed to tobacco. Is there any logic? Anyone with a half a brain cell knows lighting up any plant material and inhaling the smoke is more dangerous than breathing in the air. If you decide to do it, its your life you are risking. The hypocrisy is far beyond what a rational being can comprehend.

    "Oh no I only smoke maple leaves, it's like from the earth, ya know? I'd like never smoke an oak leaf, that's bad for your health[list=1]....and the children's too man."

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    Well, the strategy is to reduce the smoking percentage of the population to an amount, that the remaining smokers will not have enough power to fight a legislation to prohibit tobacco. This could be 10% or 6%, but this calculation is for sure already been done. But there is a catch to it. The tax money, that is lost, has to come from somewhere else. Maybe from other drugs, but who knows. It could be e-cigarettes. Currently they are not taxed, but this could change very quickly. I think, it is clear, that the projected path is to stop tobacco usage altogether and they could be successful with it in around 15-20 years.

    The difference to pot is, that you can't smoke pot all day and still live a normal life, as much as you can't drink all day, but you can easily smoke 3 packs a day and have no mental influence. Of course, there will be pot abusers, who will be stoned all day, like there are people who are drunk most of their wake time, but this is only a tiny percentage and eventually they will end up in a clinic or on the streets. Anyway, a certain lethargy makes it even easier for the government to guide the sheep. If you leave reality for a dream world, you don't really care for the bad things.

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    It is so hard not to do a peck-like cellaring rampage when hearing news like this.

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    Here's another article that came out today where politicians are pushing other drug stores to follow CVS's lead and ban tobacco products.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/197933-senate-dems-urge-drug-stores-to-pull

    I agree with latbomber. When I read articles like this it makes me want to go on another cellaring spree.

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    Best to play up the old gents using tobacco as a lifeline to sociability. Young dudes smoking tobacco pipes
    gets everyone nervous about attracting even younger people to it. Whereas, people figure that anything that
    gets an old guy's mind off his sore joints and bladder is likely a good thing.

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    New Zealand leads the race as a country devoted to eliminating smoking, you can check out their plan. Smoking has been apart of cultures for thousands of years, tobacco now leads the way and will always be produced. Those who enjoy tobacco will always find a way. The Internet will make it easier, with the continuing collecting, buying and investing in pipe collecting only helping.

    Craig

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    The stupidity of legalizing marijuana around the country while spouting the need to ban tobacco is just, well, stupid.

    Of course, I'm not surprised.

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    What are they, stoned or something? Oh, wait.....

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    I remember the last person to try and end smoking, he was a German with a tiny little mustache that resembled Charlie Chaplin's. Seriously I have no worries about smoking or tobacco use in general ever being banned, eventually people will realize being told what to do is not so glamorous and actually make there own decisions.
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    +1 what dragonslayer said. I don't think they'll ever be able to completely eradicate tobacco smoking. They can beat it down, use fear and bullying tactics to discourage people from smoking, push regulatory restrictions, etc., but just like alcohol and Prohibition, once you tell people they "can't" have something that they've always been allowed and enjoyed, then they'll want it even more and they will seek it out hook or by crook. Prohibition didn't work with alcohol and I can't see it working with tobacco. Besides, once states and municipalities realize how much tax money they would be losing, especially at a time when states and municipalities are scrambling to find new sources of revenue, then I think they will get a quick reality check.

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    I read that article this morning before going to work. The thing that caught my attention was this:

    “In our culture, we tend to think we have a right to things even if they’re terrible for us,”

    What loyal American would possibly believe that the rights guaranteed to us by the Constitution are applicable today? Hasn't our President made it abundantly clear that the Constitution has been overridden by Executive Order?

    The quote is attributed to Ruth Malone, editor-in-chief of the scientific journal Tobacco Control.

    It seems to me that something that calls itself Tobacco Control might be deemed more of a propaganda machine than a scientific journal.

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
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    Various government entities get a lot of moneys from taxes on vices. Then they disperse a lot of the moneys to enterprises which seem dedicated to stamping out those vices which, if they are successful, means they have to find another vice to attack so as to keep the money pipeline up and healthy. Or worse, they will create a new vice that the elected officials will have a knee jerk reaction to and fall in love with and that will keep the money flowing.

    Of course the government also passes out money to entities which feed the vices. Talk about schizoid.

    It's an interesting circle. Those of use who have one or two of the various vices are funding the antis trying to do away with the vice.

    If it all wasn't so anti-individual responsibility it'd be a very funny situation. Instead, it's a crying shame!

    Again, it's the money not the health concerns anymore, those concerns have been well research and publicized with nothing really new in the last 20 years or so.

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    It's an interesting circle.

    Indeed!

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    A recent poll in Kentucky indicated that over 50% of those polled were in favor of Medical Marijuana. A poll earlier indicated that over 50% were in favor of no public smoking. I know that we are some backward ass grapevine swinging hicks down here but those numbers make me wonder who we are polling. It seems like it is alright to be a meth head, a child molester, or any other type of various vermin in this world but for THE GOOD LORD'S SAKE please do not use any tobacco products. Sure fire trip to being stoned or run out of town. Maybe we need to do for tobacco what has been done for the Bourbon industry here, man it is off the hook, and to think it really hasn't been that long since it was a crime to have it. Just tired of all these S.O.B.'s telling me what is good and bad!

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    Dix, whenever I read these 'recent polls', I must question how many people were actually polled. If american polls and surveys are anything like what we have here in the UK, they'll have surveyed about 10 people, and used questions designed to significantly weight the results. It's all a load of utter bollocks, but the politicians swallow it whole.

    All these stories are a load of old tut, but these so called health experts insist that they represent the views of 99.9% of the population. I've been really considering growing and curing my own tobacco for a while now. I once spoke to this fellow who lived in gurnsey during the german occupation who used to grow his own, said it tasted vile and was strong as anything, but at least he didn't have to rely scrounging off the jerries or the red cross. It's going that way again.

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    If we don't start organizing protest groups, and soon, and stand up for ourselves, we will end up screw?&.

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    I have made the experience, that to get a glimpse of the future, you have to look at the past. Now, I am sure, most of you, as myself, have learned in your childhood from parents and teachers, that drugs like cocaine and heroine are bad, can lead to addiction very quickly, and ruin your body and soul. They are highly illegal in nearly every country and posession, usage and trade will take you to jail, in some countries even the death sentence.

    Now, in the 19th century, these drugs were neither illegal, nor regarded dangerous, but used widely by medicine and the population for decades. Only at the beginning of the 20th century, the tide turned, and they were lastly forbidden and stigmatized. For all, who believe, that tobacco will never be forbidden or criminalized, should look at the impact of change in the heads of the population for these substances, because the end of legal tobacco might be just around the corner.

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    Peter70, I agree with your statement, but I think the big difference between dugs used in medicine in the 19th century and tobacco today is the drugs did not generate near the tax revenue that tobacco does. I know my little province of Alberta, with a population of under 4 million people, generates one billion dollars annually from tobacco taxes. If tobacco was made illegal, that is one billion dollars in lost revenue. I know politicians aren't the brightest bulbs in the bunch, but I don't think they are going to throw away that kind of profit.

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    Yes, tax revenues are a strong motivation to keep the things rolling, but what if by brain washing and public pressure the number of smokers drops under 10%? Then taxes have to be raised, all of course in the light of saving the people's health, and even less people will smoke, or they will buy smuggled products. If then the tax revenue drops to a certain amount, they can do without it and find something else to tax.

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    Very good point, if the number of smokers drops, then you're right, the tax revenue will drop accordingly.

    So much for my rosie picture of the future

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    On a recent post, I encouraged others to contact their legislators and let them know that they oppose any future taxation, almost a 100% response was about what a waste of time it was, and they would pass on it as "they are going to do what they are going to do".

    People like Bloombeg salivate over apathetic subjects.

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    " people tend to think they have a right to thing that are bad for them" thanks mom. Couldn't make that decision on my own.
    Pisses me off. Glad to say I have a decent cellar.

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    It's bad enough that I have to go to work where tobacco smoking has been banned, but to have people try to tell me I can't smoke on my own time is just down right wrong! The government chips away at our rights a little more each year and people are getting tired of it! As I recall, the Constitution was put in place to protect us from the government, not something for the government to change as it pleases just to control the population!

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    Don't ask questions citizen. We know what is best for you.

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    In England we take this approach to opinion polls:

    http:youtu.be/be/GOZZJXx4MTA

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    Doesn't make any sense.... More government control

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    I'd renounce my US citizenship and move to Singapore or Uruguay if that happened. Figure live the rest of my life in peace and rather have that few million in all kinds of taxes (income, property, capital gains, sales, etc...) which would have been taken support another place of residence. I'm 37 years old, so Uncle Sam and friends will have to do without me, and lose a few million.

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    Actually I've maintained a 3.94 GPA in college for three years, and I smoke pot quite heavily. Got a B in algebra two years ago. Bummer.
    Vilify me, don't believe me, or ignore me. Those are all viable options and they're all good. Stoned = stupid is another myth like in that other thread.

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    steve

    I got through college and graduate school with a 3.7 on pot and mushrooms.

    good on ya!

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    Their after the guns first. No way for you to protect yer cellar from the Green Police. Meanwhile yer fellow man will be walking around with legalized pot, as the dystopia goes to pot. I don't know, some Dr. Who and a joint sounds good right about now.

    It's not my position nor want to help another man. It's his responsibility to help himself, as where he can learn to dig down deep enough to save himself. -I. Kidd
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