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Ebay Buyer beware - papermags2

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  1. portascat

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    has a (current) 100% rating.

    I bought two estate Kaywoodies. Paid, total cost, under $10 for each.

    Wasn't expecting perfection, but I was expecting Kaywoodies.

    One is a "screw in" KW stem attached to a "push in" no-name bulldog bowl. There was butcher paper wrapped around the threads of the stem to wedge it into the mortise.

    The second is a KW bowl, with no -name stem attached. Again with butcher paper, but so tightly wedged in that I am not even attempting to remove it for fear of breaking it.

    I am not clear on what the seller was trying to accomplish here. I re-read the description, and in both cases he describes a pipe in good condition with minor wear.

    He states no returns, but I contacted him and asked him to accept a return. I may end up going buyer protection, however, to keep everyone honest.

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    Thanks for the heads-up. I've used the ebay/paypal buyer protection once. Never got an item I payed for, but got my money back after a few weeks of the process. Good luck and let us know how it turns out.

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    For sure report it! That is falsely listed and the seller definatally deserves negative feedback if he doesn't issue you a refund.

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    good to know cause i got 2 bids in on E-bay now, ill have to check the seller now

    Now i gotta larn how to reed and rite good
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    Yeah that's fraud. I'd smash him in my feedback and go the buyer protection route.

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    I have only had that happen once, on something that was listsd as a Georg Jensen. It was a GJ stem stuck in some trash bowl w/ unreadable markings. I have since become better educated, which helps to identify frauds and forgeries, lol. Hope you can make one kaywoodie outta that mess.

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    Hold up guys, there's a heap of people selling pipes on ebay who've never held a pipe in their life, much less smoked one. Many of them haven't got a clue, they just get a box of junk, photograph it and sell it - if it looks good to them, that's what they say in the description - hell these people might not even know a pipe stem comes off - for cheap little items that are going to bring pennies why would you bother exploring if you're selling loads of other stuff.

    To neg a seller does irreparable damage to their ability to sell on ebay and in over 20,000 items purchased I've rarely come across a drop-kick.

    Keep those trigger fingers steady please, until all avenues explored and/or exhausted.

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    True, aussielass, that's why I let the guy off the hook who sold me the meer with the mortise glued to the tenon and the whole mess held tight with a piece of paper. The pipe was an inherited piece and he claimed no knowledge of pipes and said he didn't smoke. I didn't post any feedback at all since anyone who had held the pipe would have been aware something was wrong in the stem/shank department and there was no warning of some possible "southern engineering" on the pipe (don't hate, I'm southern and mean no disrespect. You do what you gotta do sometimes in the stix). I fixed my pipe up and I love it now, no harm, no foul.

    To me portascat's case sounds like a deliberate attempt at fuckery. Could be wrong but just my opinion and you know what people say about those.

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    I hope it works out and the seller was just ignorant of pipes vs dishonest. It's always a roll of the dice on the bay!

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    I've bought and sold on eBay for many years and have had to watch out for sellers who are not familair with the items that they are selling. One way to find out what they are into is to check out the 'See Other Items' link under the seller's info. If they're flea marketers, you'll see a whole bunch of non-pipe items that they're selling. There is something to be said for the 'ignorant vs dishonest' comment. If they are a mom & pop flea market operation, they may have just looked at them without pulling out the stem. Maybe they bought them in an auction as part of a larger lot and the butcher paper was put in by someone else down the line. In this particular case, 'Good Condition' doesn't describe a loose shimmed up stem. I would definitely demand a refund. If they don't let you return them, slam 'em with negative feedback. Personally, I would only buy from a reputable dealer in pipes and pipes only on eBay because of the possibility of problems like this.

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    To hell with that letting someone go aussielass if you dont know what your selling then dont sell it. Why should I let someone take my hard earned money and brush it off as ignorant. If you let things like that happen it gives a open door for people to rip off other people and say Oh I did not know that was a piece of crap. If it happened to me I would drag there ass through the coals and make sure every one I know gets to hear about it.

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    Wow, a post where every one is right - mostly. Seriously. A seller should stand behind their products, especially if they are stating a condition. If they state a condition, it implies knowledge of the product. If they don't stand behind it, and sell something they don't accurately advertise and won't send you your money back, they deserve negative feedback. But as buyers, you should give them the opportunity to do the right thing. Everyone makes a mistake every now and again and everyone deserves the chance to do the right thing. If they don't then that is what negative feedback is for. A few negative feedbacks aren't going to hurt a premium seller because everyone recognizes that there is the occasional crazy buyer out there.

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    He says to send them back for a full refund.

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    Sigh, precisely WHY he has 100% feedback!

    Most on this thread would be in my blocked list before they could say, "Please Miss ....." I didn't get to tens of thousands of items sold for 100% positive to have one trigger happy, gung ho buyer destroy it.

    Good for you Portascat for giving them the opportunity to fix their IGNORANCE.

    Oh, and jship79 - what a bizarre statement to make, considering the very nature of eBay -

    if you dont know what your selling then dont sell it

    So your rich old uncle dies, leaving his entire estate to you. You know nothing about antique hand-tools so you're going to put them into the trunk of your car and take them to landfill? Ditto his retro Mixmasters and Bakelite radio collection you know nothing about, along with his model train sets, carriages and antique ship's navigation bits & pieces etc. Wow, that sure is a lot of unnecessary landfill & you've just lost yourself many, many $k's of bucks lmfao.

    I bet the vendor who sold an antique ice-cream scoop in USA for $3,500 didn't know what they had either!!!

    BTW, at no time did I ever suggest "letting a rogue vendor go", that would just be ridiculous, but simple commonsense, and the ability to think a scenario through should reign supreme - alas, many buyers do not have that capacity.

    Give us a break, ebay is not just 100 expert vendors flogging their wares that they're world experts on!

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    i guess it all comes down to the fact that all we have to go on is a picture, a description and the vendors word!!. 100 yrs ago in the west , herds of cattle were bought and sold on a mere handshake. A man's or vendors word was taken as good, if his word proved to be no good, he couldnt do business and therefore make a living. If a vendor is selling on E-Bay, its their responsibility to know what they are selling beforehand, However, no one is perfect, and if said product proves to be less than advertised, a full refund, including shipping should be the order of the day. Now, if this is the case, that vendor retains 100% customer satisfaction, and i would consider doing business with him/her again,

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    Like I said, he says he will do a full refund. We will see what the full refund looks like when it happens.

    As I noted before, I am not sure what the sellers intentions were with these two sales. It wasn't a case of "mistaken identity", or ignorance. It *appears* as if he/she just began assembling halves of pipes together, making some basic attempt to have them hold together (the butcher paper) and calling them named brand pipes in good condition.

    They were not even pieces that fit together properly, or made a workable "Franken pipe". Not a case of mistaken identity that could be reasonably explained. Not even a situation where one screw-up came out an an otherwise okay set of sales. These were two separate auctions / listings by the same person, and both were the same sort of mis-representation.

    It is mostly bizarre.

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    goes both ways. I've sold pipes on eBay for years, and I consider myself to be a consummate professional when selling, but unfortunately a sleezy buyer can intrude [it]self on you and ruin your reputation and/or cost you alot of money! I've sold thousands of great pipes to thousands of customers over the years, and three friggin scumbags in one month cost me my top-rated seller rating and with it, all the discounts I have enjoyed for years through hard work and knowledgeable selling / accurate describing. The economy is bad, and there are alot of desparate people trying to do what whatever they can to make money - but it IS scary when someone is not capable of looking at something and knowing if it is a well-crafted object or junk, or broken, or mismatched....idiots?

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    I love ignorant sellers. I've made a few nice buys on pipes the seller had no idea as to their value. They typically post lousy pictures, incomplete nomenclature information and end auctions mid-week, mid-day all of which is also a kiss of death for getting a fair price. If I see that combination, I usually get the pipe for a very nice price. So far this year, I've bought about 10 pipes that way and either kept them for my collection, or gave them a quick cleanup and sold them. I guess my luck is bound to run out.

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    Update....

    The seller said he would return my purchase price, minus shipping. The pipes cost me (minus shipping) about $11 total. I figure $3 on my end for the box, tape, etc. and another $4 or so on shipping, for a net return on investment of around $4. Nah....

    So, I left him bad feedback on both pipes.

    I did take pics so you folks could see what was up.

    Understand, these we advertised as estate kaywoodies.

    The item descriptions is:

    "You are bidding on a used Kay Woodie pipe, it's over all condition is good with minor wear to the mouth piece. I will combine shipping, if you have any question please Email, thanks Papermags "

    As noted earlier, I was knowingly bidding on low priced estate Kaywoodie pipes. I had no expectations of perfection, unsmoked in-the-box, pipes. These would have been project pipes, or yard pipes at worst, at best I figured I would have a nice ready to smoke or two.

    this is how it arrived, as it appeared on the auction. The pipe was not separated into stem and bowl at shipping.It is a kaywoodie bowl and stem, the cloverleaf is missing from the stem, but you can see where it once was. However, as you will note in the lower pic, they are not from the same pipe. I could not remove the stem by hand. No amount of twisting or pulling would get them separate, without a level of force that would break one or both.

    Once I made the decision to keep the pipes, I sacrificed the stem in my bench vise, and it still was s bitch to separate them. And, i found a screw in stem with a push in bowl, the threads wrapped in butcher paper.

    Above is the bulldog bowl (no name) with a kaywoodie stem. Again a push mortise, screw stem. Threads wrapped in butcher paper, at time of delivery, to shim up the fit. However, the butcher paper did literally no good, as they were easily seperated just by picking up the pipe. You probably could have actually smoked the first pipe, albeit a sorry smoke, just due to the tightness of fit. You couldn't even have held the bulldog by the bowl or stem without the other falling off.

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    School of hard knocks and all of that. The money lost, in this case, is minimal.

    It is a good schooling for anyone and everyone about what can happen in a "blind sale" such as Ebay. It doesn't happen often, but when it happens to YOU, it has happened once too many times.

    Again, the seller had 100% feedback on almost 200 sales at the time I bought the pipes. Conventional wisdom would say the seller was at least relatively legitimate. But that wisdom can be, and was, wrong in this case at least.

    Still not broken of buying the cheap estate pipes, as I have had fun doing so, and have gotten some nice pipes as a result. But, on any given Sunday......

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    duh...I am a dumbass.

    That isn't even a Kaywoodie stem. You see what you want to see. That is a Grabow stem.

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    Hold up guys, there's a heap of people selling pipes on ebay who've never held a pipe in their life, much less smoked one. Many of them haven't got a clue, they just get a box of junk, photograph it and sell it - if it looks good to them, that's what they say in the description - hell these people might not even know a pipe stem comes off - for cheap little items that are going to bring pennies why would you bother exploring if you're selling loads of other stuff.
    I have to disagree. I think if a person is not familiar with what they are selling, it is their responsibility to seek out someone that does know whether what they are selling is ok. It is one thing to sell a bowl without a stem as just that, another to sell pieces glommed together. I am an ebay seller off and on and I do find out about an item if I am not sure what I have before selling it. I have over 3000 + feedback with no negatives. I did not get there not knowing anything about what I was selling. I recently opened a case against a German seller who misrepresented a pipe I bought from him. I did not think anything would come of it, but I ended up getting a complete refund including shipping. Someone at ebay read his description and my report of what I received and basically told the guy to refund the money. At least that was how it appeared. By the way in 13 years on ebay I have never blocked anyone, except for international buyers as it is not convenient for me to do international shipping.

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  23. pentangle

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    The stem of your kaywoodie was probably that: http://www.ebay.it/itm/170737679756#ht_500wt_1413
    The seller made a lot of confusion with pipes

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    Posted 5 months ago #

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