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    Hi everyone, I am new to this forum and to still dizzy to the world of pipe smoking. I have observed personally and through this forum that there are indeed “few of us” pipe smokers, sometimes even described as mystical beings. However pipe prices (new/estate) of established brands have been going up like rare art. Together with tougher legislation on tobacco, more artisan cravers, few pipe smokers, shouldn’t pipe prices be coming down? Many of the old tobacco shops are already out of business. I was hoping the trade war will bring down prices but ..no chance...
    Or are the most of you stricken by bad cases of PAD, hoarding & driving up prices .... I think I “maybe” likewise afflicted in due course...

    Cheers and Warm Regards!

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    You can still get a kaywoodie for 35 bucks.

    If I go buy a piece of briar for 40 bucks, and some rod for another 10/pipe (ebonite is 60/yard at least), nevermind my investment in tooling or the time it took me to learn to make a pipe - if I put in an 8 hour day and make a pipe.... Yeah, I need 300 bucks for it or I should have spent my day hammering nails, right?

    Hopefully my 300 dollar pipe is better than a kaywoodie in certain ways, but the idea that you are somehow forced to pay crazy money for a pipe is not true. If you want a Dunhill, yeah, pony up.

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    I agree with Sasquatch,and you can still get corncob for under $10.00.

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    Watch the documentary "Father the Flame" on Amazon Prime (or on DVD). It will give you a little better idea of where the briar comes from, the process, and how much time/history/effort/knowledge goes into making artisan pipes, particularly sourcing the material and how much of it ends up being unusable.

    It's also just a fun doc for a pipe smoker. As samsquanch and samgawith mentioned above, there are good smoking affordable factory pipes out there for sure. I'd rock those until you know which shapes you prefer, then if you could just invest in a few high end pipes in the shapes you really adore or use most often.

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    Allow me to introduce you to Morgan Bones Pipes. $40 for a solid Briar Pipe with an acrylic stem. Awesome customer service and a large following on Facebook with fellow boneheads.

    https://www.morganpipes.com/store/p61/Bones_Pipes.html#/

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    High priced pipes aren't selling, at least that's what I've been told by contacts in the industry. Certain highly collectible pipes continue to find buyers, but that's the fringe of the fringe of the fringe of the fringe. Of course, it all depends on what you consider to be expensive, and what is important to you in terms of craftsmanship.

    But overall, prices have either been steady for the past few years, or have been coming down. More pipe smokers are spending their discretionary funds on building cellars and less on buying pipes.

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    Agreed with all of the responses here. Like many here, ai started with MM cob, a Czech tool, and bundle of pipe cleaners for less than $20 on Amazon. From there, ai have purchased briars from $40 up to $500 so there are plenty of frugal options out ther, my friend.

    Hell, on another forum I belong too, many new pipe smokers have come on asking for advice and had tobacco, supplies, and a briar sent to them as a welcome gift from multiple members.

    Start small and if you like it, you will find yourself searching for pipes you intend to keep for life.

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    But overall, prices have either been steady for the past few years, or have been coming down. More pipe smokers are spending their discretionary funds on building cellars and less on buying pipes.

    Based on the last three years of buying a particular brand I know well on eBay, I would say premium examples are steady over the last year or so,maybe slightly higher over when I started looking in 2016.

    But a ton of money has gone into tobacco of late. That has to have an impact on pipes.

    But then again, I have heard the lament “High end pipes just aren’t selling” from people in the industry forever.

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    I spent last year down scaling the size of my collection and up scaling the quality of it.

    This year I'm hoarding my favorite blends. I will not mention these blends as I'm trying to hoard them lol.

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    My mantra as a pipe maker has been Joe Sixpack buys a lot of pipes. Joe SeriousCollector buys pipes too, but there's a lot more Joe Sixpacks, and they each buy more pipes, I know guys that buy a few pipes a month, in around 300 bucks. The market is a big pointy triangle - a very very few 10,000 dollar pipes up top, a few more but still rare 5,000 pipes, then a few more yet in the 2000-5000 territory, between 1000 and 2000 dollars there's actually a lot of pipes available, and I think that's a part of the market that guys are feeling pinched in. Between say 500 and 1000 again a lot available, and again, pinching. But between 200 and 500 dollars, I think there's still a lot of sales to be made.

    Tobacco cellaring/hoarding/panic has hurt a bunch of guys I've talked to this year - money that might have discretionarily gone to pipes in the past is going to tobacco right now for a lot of dudes.

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    I used to exclusively buy $500+ pieces, but found they smoked on par with pipes around $100. Then I discovered unsmoked estates could often be had for much less. There's a lot of work involved with hand made pipes, but I myself can no longer justify the expense. As far as the very expensive ones selling, I've watched a few higher end artisan pieces disappearing from SPC almost as soon as they are posted. Seems the market still has a bit of life in it.

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    A fine high-end pipe can be a beautiful thing, but if you study up with online retailers, shop a lot and buy only sparingly, and wait patiently for sales, you can do remarkably well for modest expense, as all of the preceding posts indicate. Most of my rack illustrates this point. Here are two examples. pipesandcigars.com had Tsuge "tasting pipes" for $39.99, a straight billiard with a light be handsome blast finish, a full size pipe that definitely displays the quality traits of a Tsuge. PC has also had Stanwell pipes in brushed black or brown finish for $49.99, occasionally reduced to $19.99. I'd also recommend Dr. Grabows, especially the Royalton with good acrylic stems in a variety of shapes ... the bulldog is notable. So this is just a quick glimpse of what's out there. You can find real estate bargains at smokingpipes.com, other online retailers, or at flea markets, yard sales, etc.

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    Thanks everyone for your kind insights. I am new and just very surprised at the high prices of the Chonowitsch, Eltang, Johnson etc. But I have watched pipe making videos and know I can probably never crave a pipe. It’s really a lot of hard work and the machinery probably cost a lot. I also understand that price can be very subjective and high prices doesn’t always equate a good and sweet smoker.

    So maybe it is a good thing that prices remain high/steady. A little like real estate, helps fight inflation. There’s a nice story of a Father giving his Son hIs Rolex, for the Son who is soon travelling to see the world. The rationale was that the Son can always sell the watch in almost any remote part of the world, to catch a flight home if he ran out of money. Maybe our briar pipes can do the same one day! Hopefully my son doesn’t use mine for firewood ...

    Wishing all Fair winds and following seas!

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    Some pipe smokers want only the finest hand carved pipes by name pipe makers, pipes in all their beauty and originality. For people who have the discretionary spending, this must be a satisfying way to smoke pipes. For me, the adventure of getting my optimal smoke is done on a budget, but out of being naive or adaptable, I'm quite satisfied.

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    When I started pipe smoking, to me a Peterson Aran 150 was expensive at $60, 5 years later $500 pipes are starter to mid-range to me. As you smoke your way in the hobby you start learning about pipe collection and pipe smoking, you can do both or just be a smoker for whom a pipe is just a tobacco delivery tool.

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    Albert Einstein was once quoted as saying, “I believe that pipe smoking contributes to a somewhat calm and objective judgment in all human affairs.” One of the reasons behind this statement is that pipe smoking is meant to be a slow leisurely activity. It takes patience to smoke a pipe. Unlike cigarettes and cigars, there is a certain amount of technique to smoking a pipe. Where cigars and cigarettes can just be picked up, lit and puffed on, pipes require the development of a technique in order to get the best smoking experience.
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    You can also look in to European factory pipes. They start between $50-$100 and all in that range that I own are quality smokers and look pretty darn nice to boot. Ropp, Savinelli, Chacom, Bruyere St Claude, and Stanwell to name a few.

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    Are you surprised by the high price of Rolls Royce, Ferrari and Rolex to name a few? Premium products warrant a premium price. The market ultimately determines if that prices is justified ... or not. A Kaywoodie may very well deliver the same quality of smoke the way a Chevy will get you from Point A to Point B as quickly as a Rolls Royce. There's just that different in style, comfort, pride and aesthetic appeal.

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    I'm not surprised at prices going up. I think it is just the market for collectible or estate pipes is slowing growing as some are sold as pieces of art - especially meerschaums and briar pipes made by famous master carvers who are no longer with us. I view it like art collectors buying art. When the start out the buy less valuable pieces and then start buying more expensive pieces of art especially if the painter is dead. Have you checked the price of a Rembrandt or Van Gogh lately?

    The same can be said for artisan pipe carver who can only make a finite number of pipes in a year. They are artists when it comes to what they create. When they first started, I sure they sold pipes for what they figured would cover their costs and time. As they got more critical acclaim for their work and more demand, the price had to go up. If you want a piece of good art, you have to pay more.

    By the way, I just talked to a couple who collects meerschaum pipes and statuary and neither of them have ever smoked.

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    There's just that different in style, comfort, pride and aesthetic appeal.

    There's a difference in performance lurking somewhere in that analogy as well....

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    I view it like art collectors buying art.

    That's exactly what it is. A good smoker is a good smoker. A good wooden/vulcanite sculpture that you can also smoke out of is something else entirely.

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    There's a difference in performance lurking somewhere in that analogy as well....

    Not really. A pipes performance is more technique than equipment.

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    Good point Embers makes. I find my pipes improve as I learn to smoke the individual ones. Some of my low-end pipes "become" wonderful as I become more proficient with them. My higher priced pipes also improve with use. That's likely how some estate pipes get so bedraggled with use.

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    Not really. A pipes performance is more technique than equipment.

    A fair point, I was more indicating the difference between a rolls royce and a chevy.

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    I'd take the Chevy.

    I've had cobs through high end pieces. My commissioned pipes are still in my collection, the Dunhills were downgraded to bonsai containers before being trashed, and the cobs have been around for years. I'm starting to notice the higher the high end, the lesser the quality. Some things are better looked at than used.

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    I never see higher-end names being sold at a sale price,and if they are, the price drop would be something like 5 to 10% tops

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    At the high end, the pipe market seems to function like an art market. Given the prices and depreciation that comes from even limited use, these are collected rather than smoked for the most part. My understanding is that those prices were established when the Chinese entered the market several years ago. I've heard that some of those Chinese collectors have moved on. Prices have stayed the same, but those pipes are not moving the way they did a few years ago.

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    I never see higher-end names being sold at a sale price,and if they are, the price drop would be something like 5 to 10% tops
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    I've seen them go as high as 15% off, but that's only during site wide sales.

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    I've had cobs through high end pieces. My commissioned pipes are still in my collection, the Dunhills were downgraded to bonsai containers before being trashed, and the cobs have been around for years. I'm starting to notice the higher the high end, the lesser the quality. Some things are better looked at than used.

    What nonsense.

    It looks like the Social Media mindset is now causing individuals to adopt the Sensational!!! Shocking!!! Outrageous!!! Terrifying!!! clickbait tabloid approach to making personal statements.

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    How so, this is as social media as I get.

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    I'd take the Chevy.

    I'd take the rolls, sell it, buy a chevy and invest the rest in dunhill pipes. Just yankin yer chain, I don't (and likely won't) own any dunhills. I do have an Ashton and a Castello though, and I gotta say, they are fine smokers. Worth the $100 more I paid for them over a good savinelli?........probably not, but I had to know....

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    I had a Castello. They are great pipes.

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    I never see higher-end names being sold at a sale price,and if they are, the price drop would be something like 5 to 10% tops

    Maybe not high end names, but there are some high end pipes by good makers out there at significant discounts. Picked up some higher end Savs (a 920 KS new art and 315KS spigot sterling) for 50-75% below retail recently. Usually $200-$400 pipes. Those deals are out there.

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    @georged, I agree with you. Lot’s of personal folly being spewed on this site. Sorry, just my opinion.

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    So having three pipes from a company that is highly touted for quality that won't pass a pipe cleaner is personal folly?

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    No it’s strictly opinion. What I comment on is my opinion and mine alone. But being so I am allowed to disagree and I do so with your comments. Your experiences are different than mine and that’s why we have different opinions. A pipe that you have that does not pass a cleaner is different than a pipe that I have that passes clearer. You like Bruce Weaver pipes and that’s ok. I may choose to like some other manufacturers pipes. Doesn’t make one better than the other, just makes us different. But to make a statement that higher end pipes are lesser quality is a blanket statement that simply is not true. Maybe so for certain manufacturers now adays but it should not be used as a blanket statement. It’s no secret that you’re not a fan of Dunhill but that doesn’t mean there aren’t great Dunhill's on the market where-ever they may be made. Sorry, our opinions do not agree on many levels and I just had to put it out there.

    I've had cobs through high end pieces. My commissioned pipes are still in my collection, the Dunhills were downgraded to bonsai containers before being trashed, and the cobs have been around for years. I'm starting to notice the higher the high end, the lesser the quality. Some things are better looked at than used.

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    When the start out the buy less valuable pieces and then start buying more expensive pieces of art especially if the painter is dead. Have you checked the price of a Rembrandt or Van Gogh lately?

    Rembrandt is DEAD? When the hell did THAT happen!!??

    Keep in mind that when you're paying that premium for a high grade pipe you're not just paying for the pipe but for all of the duds that didn't measure up along the way and wound up in the furnace. A flawless smooth with outstanding grain is much rarer than pipes with a pit or two, or lesser graining.

    I also don't agree with the "higher the high end, the lesser the quality" assessment. But I would also say that price doesn't always equate to an equal increase in quality. A $3000 pipe won't necessarily smoke 100 times better than a $30 pipe. Besides, it's only 25% equipment, but 75% technique.

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    I miss saltedplug.

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    I miss saltedplug

    RIP in peace, Salt.

    As with maybe any other good, you get diminishing marginal returns to the cost of a pipe. I'm absolutely positive the average Castello is better (however you want to measure that) than the average Rossi. But the increase in quality is not linear. On average, you'll get a lot of extra functionality going from a $10 pipe to a $200 pipe. But the differences between a $500 pipe and a $700 pipe are extremely fine, and maybe not even noticeable.

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    Saltedplug is dead? I missed that bit of news, and am saddened.

    I know that you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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    Saltedplug is dead?

    Not as far as I know. I had a couple of brief conversations with him a couple of months ago, but my work has me going 60+ hours a week and I haven't had the energy, much less the time, to contact him.

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    Rembrandt, apparently, is dead.

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    Damn!!

    Well, I heard* Van Gogh's ticket was punched some time ago, too.

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    *(ear reference!)

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