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  • Started 3 years ago by peteguy
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  1. peteguy

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    With the recent discussions on sellers and refurb/restore practices as of late this one caught my eye. It won't garner the attention of the other threads where bigger named sellers and more expensive pipes are listed but this is just disgusting. These are the people who need to be stopped in this hobby.

    Disgusting Seller

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    Yo pete

    Could you help me out a bit? I looked at the site and am not sure what is disgusting?

    hp
    les

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    Howdy les - "Crackled top"

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    These are the people who need to be stopped in this hobby.

    Dream on.

    So long as flea prey's motivation is to increase revenue by maximizing listings, as the Russians say, "There is no bottom."

    You'll see worse yet. The more the limit is tested and found to be fictional, the more blatant it will get.

    Heck, it already is.

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    Ah pete - so this Charatan was topped? The proportions do look a bit off.

    hp
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    It's a jungle out there.

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    Should look like this

    Or vaguely similar.

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    That pig has lipstick on it.

    Life is good. But it's better with a pipe.
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    Far more disgusting, to me anyway, are the thousands of weed/pot pipes/bongs that show up every time I do a search on e-bay......

    "We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of the dream..."
    Willy Wonka
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    That place is as much fun as wading through a sewer.

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    I hate to throw water on your torches, but the pipe shown in the listing is 100% legit. Never smoked, not topped.

    Charatan just made interesting (and stummel-saving) stylistic choices from time to time. The "short stack" was one of them. So was the "chip rim" (here called a "crackled top")

    Dogs live such short lives... and spend most it waiting for us to come home
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    If I were one of their competitors back then, I'd buy it and display it prominently in my salesroom.

    Making sure to identify it as theirs.

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    Damn! So, the torches are doused and the pitchforks returned to the shed. The townspeople return quietly to their beds, a bit chagrined.

    Thanks for ruining the lynching party.

    Seriously georged, well done!

    A man without a shillelagh is a man without an expedient.
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    It seems top have escaped your notice that the comments on ebay remain unaffected by the pipe's legitimacy.

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    It seems top have escaped your notice that the comments on ebay remain unaffected by the pipe's legitimacy.

    Please explain

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    Your post mentioned throwing water on torches -- plural. Technically correct. Several concerned this -- not just the first, as I (mis-)remembered them.

    But the pipe evaluation spawned a general disapproval of ebay. Which remains dry.

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    Ah, got it.

    I stopped shopping on ebay years ago, and now just ignore it.

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    Well, it is distinctive.

    Blowin' smoke since 1970.
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    Georged you know far more than I ever will but I am going to need photo proof before I throw water on my torch.

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    Are people being forced onto eBay? Seems to me that a lot of bottom feeders as well those looking for quality sometimes find what they are looking for. Seems no worse then wandering into "hock shop." Smart shoppers inform themselves and know what they are buying. The neophytes either get skinned or quickly learn. I always tried to learn when I was snookered. Figured it was my own damned fault for failing to prepare.

    It's a hard world full of predators and a whole food chain of pray. That's why I became a cop as a kid. But, I also learned . . . there is no cure for stupid. Ignorance? Yes. Stupid? No.

    As for eBay? I've looked around a bit, especially when my wife was making and selling metal work. I just know my limitations and only buy what I know from whom I know. This means, no eBay for me. Simply my nature.

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    If you're referring to something like this georged I think this is a fine pipe and one that I would love to have. I believe the ebay listing is an amateur attempt to duplicate the style you mentioned and the one in this photo. If I'm wrong I'll eat another flake of Latakia.

    Bare wood for one. Inconsistent direction of chipping and a burn area into the inner wall always seen in topping.

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    Georged you know far more than I ever will but I am going to need photo proof before I throw water on my torch.

    Chip tops aren't common, but they are far from rare. Here is one I re-stemmed a while back:

    As for the short stack bowl, it was also far from rare in the late 70's/early 80's. A photo shouldn't be too hard to find on the Net.

    Also, topping a smoked pipe that far down would clearly show a discolored "heat ring" where the rim meets the chamber.

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    I believe the ebay listing is an amateur attempt to duplicate the style you mentioned and the one in this photo.

    Bare wood for one. Inconsistent direction of chipping and a burn area into the inner wall always seen in topping.

    Exactly so.

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    I will eat that flake even though I'm still not convinced. Thank you for the further education Georges. I will send an apology to the seller.

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    Very civilized! Once again I'm am pleasantly surprised.

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    I'm unclear on the liabilities of this pipe, but I still remember the pipe that was filled with cake and had the top sawed off. Wonder if that pipe ever sold?

    There is no beauty without some strangeness in proportion.
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    Check these. Not just restoration problems on fleabay ...

    https://www.instagram.com/pipelist_com/

    https://www.instagram.com/toddmjohnsonpipes/

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    Well, read the forums and learn something. I was unaware of the "Crackled top" finish on Charatan pipes. Bidding at $145 for now shows others did know of this finish/feature.

    Al

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    The "raw" wood look of the rim is correct for this marque and treatment.

    As others here have pointed out, you need to do your homework if you're going to avoid being roadkill on the eBay highway.

    It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt. - Mark Twain

    It is pointless to argue with a fanatic since a dim bulb can't be converted into a searchlight. - Jesse Silver
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    I remember having the same opinion of a Dunhill that looked like it had 2/3 of it sawed off. Turned out it was made that way too. I still don't like anything about that style of pipe.

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    Live and learn - what I really like about this sight. I would have avoided that pipe like the plague figuring it was a hatchet job, but now I know a bit more on what to look for. My eyes still wont accept it - I am with xrundog, that style isnt me at all.

    Oh, and we should change the title of this thread to uniformed buyer.

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    You're a good sport. I commend that.

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    This is exactly why I don't spend over $20.00 on ebay. I wouldn't have had a clue about any of this. I've learned something.

    The pipe is an instrument of civilization.
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    Guys - Thanks for a really informative thread which is also marked for genuine humility and a willingness to learn together. I really like the pipe in question, especially as you rarely see such pristine stamps and logo + paint on an aged pipe.

    Andy

    "I don’t know how else to say it: you don’t see bums smoking pipes." Charlie Kramer
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    Good reading and advice. Ebay keeps one on their toes. Thanks for the input George.

    Posted 3 years ago #
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPAYZTPaJBM

    "My own experience has been that the tools I need for my trade are paper, tobacco, food, and a little whiskey." -- William Faulkner

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    I have never been ripped off on ebay. I have never bought a pipe that I had not researched to the max. If you do your due diligence then you can get great deals on ebay. If you are not familiar with a certain pipe or brand of pipes, find someone who has the knowledge you need.

    jesse,

    As others here have pointed out, you need to do your homework if you're going to avoid being roadkill on the eBay highway.

    This statement says it all for me. I am not an expert(yet) on Barling pipes. I have jesse to be my expert and I am not too proud to ask him for help before I even look at a Barling. Ask people who know more than you and you will save yourself money and headaches and then you can get some great deals on some great pipes.

    Harris
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    There are views of the pipe that I want to see besides beauty shots. I want to see close ups of the bit and the slot, the rim, and the bowl walls. Pipes can look great on the outside and be a ruin inside.

    Contact the seller to ask for better shots and to ask for more information if you need it. Most sellers are happy to oblige. If the seller doesn't oblige, move on.

    I also don't bid on "no return" auctions. Despite what some sellers say, photography doesn't answer all questions. There is nothing like having the pipe in your hands to inspect.

    Most importantly, know what you are buying. I've see all manner of undisclosed issues, like topping, replacement stems, re-stampings, and occasionally, fakes.

    None of this is unique to eBay. I've seen these issues on a couple of on line dealer sites as well. It's not necessarily a question of deliberate deception, though that does happen. Sometimes the dealer doesn't know what he has.

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    Well that settles it beefeater33.

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    No. You have pretty good taste.

    But Herman Lane knew that there was nothing he couldn't put out there stamped "Charatan" he couldn't sell so long as it had straight grain and no fills. Especially if it were the size of a golf club head.

    Nobody with good taste (it DOES exist) would ever offer that with a straight face.

    But from there to imagining that nobody would brings in what Kirkegaard called a leap of faith.

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    Pete, I was thinking along the same lines as you at first. I(we) always learn something here, thanks to the diverse knowledge base of our members. That's why I love this place!

    Now about those pipes....... ugliest things in the world in my book! Not my cuppa!.....

    Posted 3 years ago #

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