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Dating Recent Esoterica Bags & Tins

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  • Started 9 months ago by peckinpahhombre
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  1. peckinpahhombre

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    A method for dating Esoterica bags and tins was recently summarized by a member of another forum I am on. Apparently, this person contacted Germain for this information, but I have no way of verifying that.

    I also understand that this only works (if in fact it does work) for relatively recent bags and tins, but I am not sure exactly when the applicable code system was introduced. I have looked at the codes on several of my bags and tins, and the answer produced by the dating strategy I am about to explain does seem to be consistent with when I know that I purchased those bags or tins. However, I would ask some of the people on this forum to do the same verification, so we can learn together whether this dating strategy holds water.

    On Esoterica bags and tins there is a code on the bag or on the back of the tin. Pictures are below.

    On this bag, the number is 357113. The claim is that the first number, 3, translates to 2013. The next three numbers - 571 - is some form of internal Germain batch code. The last two numbers apparently translate to the month and day, which if correct would mean that this tin (with the numbers 1 and 3) was ostensibly made on January 3rd.

    The code suggests that this tin was produced on April 2, 2013.

    To be honest, using the first number to decode the year seems like it may hold water, as I have looked at several tins and bags and the year decoding certainly alligns with when I purchased them. I am a bit doubtful about the month and day decoding though. In particular, in a random sampling of some of my bags and tins, I could find no bags or tins with three or four numbers rather than 2 numbers after the first four numbers in the code. Surely they must have made some product made in the months of October, November or December, or after the 9th day of a month, and that they would need to represent those months or days with two digit codes. Every bag and tin I could easily find only had 6 numbers, which does cause me to doubt this methodology.

    In any event, would appreciate any thoughts.

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    Wow, you must be a fun date.

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  3. peckinpahhombre

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    Wow, you must be a fun date.

    Did my wife hack your PM account?

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  4. ashdigger

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    That's a rather esoteric question.

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    Yeah, my dating strategy has always been that the guy with the most at-bats typically gets the most hits.

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    Thanks to an anonymous tip I discovered on the dark web, I learned that the careful application of lemon juice and heat to the back surface of an Esoterica label will reveal a number of secret codes.

    But to the best of my knowledge, no one has yet decipered what any of them mean.

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    Interesting and useful information...all my ET dates from 2012 or so to present

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    That seems pretty consistent with what I'd noticed. The first number seems to line up with, or be one digit ahead of, the year that I bought the bag. Maybe it's coincidence, but I have been using the first number, when looking at bags, to determine the year.

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    The year ties out on all of my bags and tins, but I have the same question regarding month and day and I have a bag of Stonehaven that has 02 as the last two numbers.

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    Wow, you must be a fun date.

    Did my wife hack your PM account?

    Sure sounds like she did!

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    The first number definitely correlates to the year back to 2010. The two numbers correlate after 2013, according to my stash. Photos below.

    I did find a few ERRORS.

    Penzance, from last month, 8 oz, code matches to August, 2019
    WOOPS, 2019, ERROR

    But here is another bag from the same batch that matches to August, 2018.

    Dunbar from last month, 8 oz, code matches to August, 2018

    Margate May, 2018, code matches to May, 2018 (cellared last week so disregard my date in handwriting)

    Penzance from 2016, code matches to 2014
    I BOUGHT IT ONLINE, so it was in fact NOT 2016.

    Margate from 2010, code matches to 2010

    Code matches on all these from 2012 to 2018

    It works on Germain also, code matches to last month, August 2018

    Dunbar, various months from 2018, codes match

    Pre 2010, the codes are sketchy. Not as reliable. All these below are 2007-2011.

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    ^ Holy Esoterica motherload Batman!

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    Nice start!

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    That penzance bag though - casts some doubt on the theory!

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    That penzance bag though - casts some doubt on the theory!

    I agree. I got that just a few weeks ago and only that one bag of Penzance was off on the coding. So I am skeptical. However, I posted many examples where it holds true. So it’s “reliable”, but with some errors.

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    npod, do the pre-2012 bags have a code? Why do you say those are sketchy?

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    And can you post a pic of the code on one of those pre-2012 bags?

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    The first number seems to work pretty well with the year of purchase. Where the number seems to represent the year following the year of purchase, when was that bag purchased?

    Maybe they mixed up a label intended for an early 2017 release with a bag released in November of 2016, for example? Mistakes happen, like Lucas Electrics. After all, they're British, not German.

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    Y’all should date someone your own age.

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    And can you post a pic of the code on one of those pre-2012 bags?

    Here are a couple of examples. Most of the pre 2012 tins I have seem to start with 11...

    Penzance, 8 oz, 2007. Code is 110102.

    Penzance, 2 oz, 2010. Code is 11014.

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    This dating system is air tight.

    Jokes aside, thank you for posting the decipher code. Very helpful.

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    npod, I have a recent bag on Penzance which also has the 910C083 code. The plot thickens. Or maybe the highly trained Trappist monks who hand-write the labels with solid gold pens at Germain were a little drowsy from the otherworldy odor wafting up into their nostrils and made a mistake.

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    It was suggested to me that the 2019 conclusion from the code may refer to a production year rather than a calendar year. So for example, if the production year was Sept 1 2017 - Aug 31 2018, tins and bags in that period would be designated with the 8 for 2018 production year. If true, this may explain the 9, if the production year goes from 2018 into 2019. Just a thought though.

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    Peck, that makes sense. But are we sure it's not the thing with the monks??

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    I have a question, when was the changeover from the cream colored to the gold bags?

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    Based on Neal's photos, I guess some time between 2007-2010. I wasn't hunting Esoterica at the time, so a more precise answer will have to wait for somebody a little linger in the tooth than me.

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    I have a question, when was the changeover from the cream colored to the gold bags?

    Right around 2010-2011 best I can tell.

    Good thoughts on the "9" number Peck. Either way, it's only off one year and for long term cellaring that's not a big deal.

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    Right around 2010-2011 best I can tell.

    Thanks for that. I have cream colored bad of Stonehaven that I must have received as "old stock" that I bought around the ~ 2012 time period. Two Stonehaven, one cream colored and one gold.

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    I read a few days ago on some forum that after Sept 1st it will start with a 9.

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    Today's "Hap is an idiot moment" for your comic relief: due to this thread, I was looking at some Esoterica tins I own, and while inspecting some Margate from this year, I saw a code 'XXXXXXXX MAR' (I forget what the Xes were, and it's not 'Germain' to this story). I was really puzzled by the 'MAR' part though, and thought maybe it meant this tin was produced in March, and was seconds away from asking about it on here, when I realized MAR is for Margate...

    For a pretty smart guy, I sure am dense sometimes.

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    peck, would your hypothesis hold up in a court of law? If there is a shadow of a doubt, then this system doesn't work. I am way too lazy to go looking through my Esoterica stash to verify any of this. Maybe one day I will look through my bags to see if this is a real thing or if it is just something peck thought up just to mess with everyone.

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    I am way too lazy to go looking through my Esoterica stash to verify any of this.

    C'mon! It's only two bags!

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    jesse, lol. I think I have a few more than just 2 but less than 30.

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    "Pre 2010, the codes are sketchy. Not as reliable. All these below are 2007-2011."

    You were getting square tins before a year or two ago?

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    The 2019 bags are accurate as you start seeing codes for the following year in the 4th quarter of the year. I’ve got tins of Germain and eso that start with 9 from recently bought drops.

    The code system stated in the first post applies all the way back to the white butera bags also. So for Npod - that white 8oz butera penzance is from 2011. Germain started using this code system with the Butera “era”. I know the next question will be, but what about 2009 and before? You see a one less number in the code, the code gets shorter but the first number is still the year. Butera codes from the late 90s only have three numbers, with the first still being the year.

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    You were getting square tins before a year or two ago?

    Good eye. Yeah there are a few recent square tins in that picture. My bad. I just threw that up to show that I have a decent older inventory to look at for the codes. You are correct, the square tins are all after 2016 time frame.

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    Square Penzmace tins started in very late 2016, with tins that start with a 7 code. Germain also started putting letters in the codes starting in 2017. No idea what the letters mean though!

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    Just got three Germain tins a week ago all dated 2018 if following this method. Manufactured in July I think.

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    New to the board, thank you for having me.

    I received a large tobacco lot from an estate liquidation.
    Can you take a look at this Pembroke label and give me an approx date of mfg ???
    Thank you in advance.
    BTW, this Pembroke is outstanding.

    Steve

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    Is it a foil bag?

    Anyhow, f*** google images. Couldn't embed it.

    I know that you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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    Can you view it here ?
    Yes, it's a foil bag in the shape of a brick.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1novEelvE-4hIsqPSpriP_l5Db3OW6DRL/view

    Posted 3 months ago #
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    Just a thought - don't they put the month first and the day last in European dating?

    Russ

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    Can you view it here ?
    Yes, it's a foil bag in the shape of a brick.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1novEelvE-4hIsqPSpriP_l5Db3OW6DRL/view

    No problem viewing, but it's nicer for folks to just see the image without clicking and loading another page. Effin' Google!!

    Posted 3 months ago #

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